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Buick 225/231 Clearance


Chuck Pedretti
 

Put the motor back in last night after bolting in the mounts and have the
following measurements.

My setup measures 4" from bottom of pulley to first point of contact, I am
running 2.5 rubicon express lift with the motor mounted level front to back
and centered between the frame rails. The front face of the pulley is
almost directly in line vertically with the front of the differential. My
Trans/tCase were not lowered at all, so the engine is sitting at what would
be stock height.

Questions:
1) Is it common to have to tilt the motor by making it sit higher in front?

2) This doesn't seem like much clearance considering the lift, but the
limited AA directions didn't mention having to do anything more than what I
did (aside from the fact that my motor is centered and AA wants you to jam
it all the way to the drivers side) strangely enough if you follow the AA
directions there is no way their mounts will work. The passenger side mount
would be about 2.5" too short and you would have to cut the drivers side
mount off - as it sits their mounts are the perfect size to fit centered in
a CJ2 frame.

3) Anybody have any close up pictures of their engine bay with the Buick in
it? If they are on the World Wide Wasteland please forward a URL.


Thanks to all

_________________________________
Chuck Pedretti MCSD, MCSE
Consultant
Magenic Technologies
mailto:chuckp@...
_________________________________

(46 CJ)
_________________________________


Bill Lagler
 

Chuck Pedretti wrote:

From: "Chuck Pedretti" <chuckp@...>

Put the motor back in last night after bolting in the mounts and have the
following measurements.

My setup measures 4" from bottom of pulley to first point of contact, I am
running 2.5 rubicon express lift with the motor mounted level front to back
and centered between the frame rails. The front face of the pulley is
almost directly in line vertically with the front of the differential. My
Trans/tCase were not lowered at all, so the engine is sitting at what would
be stock height.
Looking straight down the front face of the pulley (2 groove) is about
even with the rear of the axle tube.


Questions:
1) Is it common to have to tilt the motor by making it sit higher in front?
Yes. If you have the engine sitting level the carb is probably leaning
forward.

2) This doesn't seem like much clearance considering the lift, but the
limited AA directions didn't mention having to do anything more than what I
did (aside from the fact that my motor is centered and AA wants you to jam
it all the way to the drivers side) strangely enough if you follow the AA
directions there is no way their mounts will work. The passenger side mount
would be about 2.5" too short and you would have to cut the drivers side
mount off - as it sits their mounts are the perfect size to fit centered in
a CJ2 frame.

3) Anybody have any close up pictures of their engine bay with the Buick in
it? If they are on the World Wide Wasteland please forward a URL.
One of these days I need to buy a digital camera, of course I should
probably buy a PC first.


Dinarte Santos
 

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On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:46:06 Chuck Pedretti wrote:
From: "Chuck Pedretti" <chuckp@...>

Put the motor back in last night after bolting in the mounts and have the
following measurements.

My setup measures 4" from bottom of pulley to first point of contact, I am
running 2.5 rubicon express lift with the motor mounted level front to back
and centered between the frame rails. The front face of the pulley is
almost directly in line vertically with the front of the differential. My
Trans/tCase were not lowered at all, so the engine is sitting at what would
be stock height.

Questions:
1) Is it common to have to tilt the motor by making it sit higher in front?
I had to do this when I installed a Chevy II 153 cid engine in my CJ-3A. At first I tried to install the engine level, as a result it was too low and there were clearance problems with the front pumpkin - lower radiator hose, which got smashed several times. The carb was tilted to the front, too.

A good way to tell the correct tilt would be placing a bubble level on the intake manifold, with the carburetor removed. Hood clearance should be checked, too, with the carburetor + air filter assembly installed. Bellhouse to firewall clearance could be an issue, too.

Displacing the engine to the driver's side would help pumpkin to engine clearance, but could lead to steering system - exhaust manifold or header clearance.

I found the best way to fit my engine was cutting the stock mounts' rivets with a chisel, relocating them backwards, bolting them to the frame, and finding suitable rubber mounts to attach them to the engine's stock mounts. This would allow the engine to be displaced to the drivers side. Worked for an I-4, I don't know if it would work for a V-6 as there could be interference problems with the drivers side cylinder head - left fender.


2) This doesn't seem like much clearance considering the lift, but the limited AA directions didn't mention having to do anything more than what I did (aside from the fact that my motor is centered and AA wants you to jam it all the way to the drivers side) strangely enough if you follow the AA directions there is no way their mounts will work. The passenger side mount
would be about 2.5" too short and you would have to cut the drivers side mount off - as it sits their mounts are the perfect size to fit centered in
a CJ2 frame.




3) Anybody have any close up pictures of their engine bay with the Buick in it? If they are on the World Wide Wasteland please forward a URL.


Thanks to all

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Arne Anderson
 

I have no idea if this is possible and doesn't have much to do with this thread
but it does have to do with a 225/231 so here goes. When and if I am going to
put a V-6 in my 2A my intention was to leave the transmission and t-case alone
as to not disrupt my drive shafts and do modifications elsewhere. I don't know
about the layout of the V-6 but given the fact that there is only 3 cylinders
per side I think this would provide adequate clearance at the axle. Of course
the other problem is firewall but I was just hoping that would work out and
lastly the steering I was hoping could be routed acordingly. Just my thoughts
of which I don't even know if it is possible. My other thought since I have
never seemed to run out of power on the trail is a suped up f-head. Like a
performance cam from clifford which widens the torque range, a header, the weber
I currently have, perhaps port and polish the heads, and throw on an electronic
ignition. Who knows so many options?!

arne


Bill Lagler
 

Arne Anderson wrote:

From: Arne Anderson <[email protected]>

I have no idea if this is possible and doesn't have much to do with this thread
but it does have to do with a 225/231 so here goes. When and if I am going to
put a V-6 in my 2A my intention was to leave the transmission and t-case alone
as to not disrupt my drive shafts and do modifications elsewhere. I don't know
I think maybe thats what Chuck did, problem is the V6/V8 to T90 requires
an adapter that's 2.5" thick and moves the engine forward to far.

about the layout of the V-6 but given the fact that there is only 3 cylinders
per side I think this would provide adequate clearance at the axle. Of course
the other problem is firewall but I was just hoping that would work out and
lastly the steering I was hoping could be routed acordingly. Just my thoughts
With the V6 positioned right the original steering fits without mods.
The firewall requires a small mod just like the factory CJ5 V6.

of which I don't even know if it is possible. My other thought since I have
never seemed to run out of power on the trail is a suped up f-head. Like a
performance cam from clifford which widens the torque range, a header, the weber
I currently have, perhaps port and polish the heads, and throw on an electronic
ignition. Who knows so many options?!
Built to the max the 134 will never match the power of a stock V6, just
to big of a difference in cubic inches.

Bill
47cj2a


Chuck Pedretti
 

I think maybe that's what Chuck did, problem is the V6/V8 to T90 requires
an adapter that's 2.5" thick and moves the engine forward to far.
That is what I used, but I also moved the trans x-member forward 1.5" for
firewall clearance. If I hadn't moved it (and maybe I need to move it back)
I would have had to dimple the firewall.
_________________________________
Chuck Pedretti MCSD, MCSE
Consultant
Magenic Technologies
mailto:chuckp@...
_________________________________

(46 CJ)
_________________________________