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PECO SL-U8364 #6 Diamond Crossing UNIFROG


 

Hello Guys,
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I just got my first Unifrog? Crossing.? Was using Atlas but I have two engine that hesitate when they go over the frog.
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Since this is not a turnout how do I power the frogs on the crossing.
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I have the two wires that peco put on the frogs off to the side of the crossing.
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The back of the package shows using a DPDT switch.
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I run NCE DCC system.
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I wish to not have to toggle a manual switch
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Is there a device I can get that would power the frogs and make sure the polarity if correct?
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Any ideas or if you know of a video showing what to do would be helpful
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I searched YouTube and no one has a video about this
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Thank you
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Tom Grassi
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Hi Tom,
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Just get a dual Frog Juicer from Tam Valley Depot and set it up to gang the two parts of the unit to work together.? Hook the two wires for the track bus up to your track bus.? Hook the two frog wires from your crossing to the two frog terminals on the Frog Juicer.? It doesn't matter which frog goes to which terminal on the dual Frog Juicer.
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You're done.? Enjoy!
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Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC


 

Allan
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Thanks
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I thought I had one in stock but it was a Mono Frog Juicer.
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Just ordered one from IronPlanetHobbies.
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I see on the board the two frog connectors and DCC IN??
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Looks like a simple setup.
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Tom Grassi
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I¡¯m pretty sure a dual frog juicer should work if you need to change the polarity of the rails as wheels go over it. Don¡¯t know anything about Unifrog.?

Peter

On Aug 2, 2024, at 6:22?PM, Tom Grassi via groups.io <trgrassijr@...> wrote:

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Allan
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Thanks
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I thought I had one in stock but it was a Mono Frog Juicer.
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Just ordered one from IronPlanetHobbies.
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I see on the board the two frog connectors and DCC IN??
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Looks like a simple setup.
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Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


 

Tom, how are you controlling the turnouts ov the crossover? If there are 2 SPDT switches associated with those motors use them to selectively power the frogs. No other equipment needed.

DonV


 

Don?
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There are no turnouts involved with this PECO Unifrog Diamond Crossing? ?
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Two tracks in and two tracks out.
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Tom Grassi
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From Peco info¡­

The wiring of these new turnouts is a development of both the Insulfrog and Electrfrog designs. The stock rails are wired to the center rails at the factory, which in turn are connected to the corresponding frog-rail. This means the turnout is completely live(except for the tip of the frog) with no extra wiring required. If the turnout is being used as a switch to isolate a section of track then it is a simple job to remove the wire that joins the center rail and stock rail?and it will work like a current Insulfrog.

DonV


 

Allan
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I have a Dual Frog Juicer from Tam Valley.
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Connected the two frogs to the fog ports on the DFJ
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The other two wires go to the DCC Bus Line.
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I now have powered frogs.
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Only problem is on one leg of the Diamand Cross Over the train stops? and my EB1 for that bus line starts flashing.
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I disconnected the DFJ from the bus line and the train runs thru? but every so often it stops just outside of the diamond crossing I then give the train a push and it continues.
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So with the DFJ I get a short and without the DFJ I get a pause.
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Any ides or suggestions?
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Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


 

Hi Tom,
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I installed one of those diamond crossings back about the time they came out (about 4 years ago).? I believe the dual Frog Juicer has a jumper where you can link its two FJ's to work together.? Have you done that?? ? (I'm using a two sections of an Hex FJ and you can pair up the FJ's and that is what I did.)? I know I mentioned this jumper in my initial post, so I presume you have done that.
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People where having problems with wheels shorting out on the frog of the early Unifrog products.? So they made an improvement.? You can see an example of the improvement on my website at:
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I clearly point out the improvement.? Most of my Unifrog product that I installed on my layout is the original Unifrog.? I assume that Peco made the improvement to all their Unifrog products, but I don't know that for sure.
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The problem with the original Unifrog was that the frog was too tiny and wheels were shorting out on the rails leaving the frog.? The improvement lengthens the frog solving this problem.
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You could cut the rails leaving the frog and make it look like the improved Unifrog.? But I'm sure this is easier said than done.? An easier approach is to paint a dab of clear nail polish on the rails leaving the frog to insulate them a bit.? While not permanent, it is less drastic.
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Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC


 

Sounds like the EB is tripping before the frog juicer. Check the trip timing settings. The frog juicer should be powered directly from the booster¡­ not from any EB.

DonV


 

I thought of that Don, but he said that he had a pause with the Dual Frog Juicer disconnected.? So I figured his problem was other than the FJ's.
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Allan
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As Allan points out on his website ¡®some¡¯ of the turnouts may have too short of a frog. Some pickup powered wheels, with flanges in particular, may brush opposite polarity rails as they leave the frog. Providing insulation to prevent that (nail polish) is about the only solution.

DonV


 

Guys
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I have decided to remove the double diamond crossing? and go with a double cross over?
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Thats should solve my problem
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Tom Grassi
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