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Re: Turntable Wiring

wirefordcc

Yes, Philip, just wire like a reverse loop using one set of outputs 
from the PM42.

Allan

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "autumns_ridge" 
<autumns_ridge@y...> wrote:

    I just purchased an Atlas turntable with the motor drive unit and 
I would like to know how to wire it for DCC.  Is it done like a wye or 
a reverse loop?  I have a Digitrax reversing loop controler(#pm42).  
Would this be the ticket?

    Any help would be great.

           Philip

Turntable Wiring

#65

I just purchased an Atlas turntable with the motor drive unit and 
I would like to know how to wire it for DCC.  Is it done like a wye or 
a reverse loop?  I have a Digitrax reversing loop controler(#pm42).  
Would this be the ticket?

    Any help would be great.

           Philip

Re: Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?

Vollrath, Don

#64

polyurethane (gorilla glue) and laytex type (liquid nails) construction adhesive for FOAM projects will also stick well to wood & foam.  I'd use 1/4 inch plywood as the porous nature of real wood makes it is easier for glue and wood screws to grip into the grain.  Some types of masonite tend to be slick & be hard.

Experiment with a few samples & let us all know what seems to work best.
DonV

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?




Brian,

I would think a small square of masonite or 1/4" piece of wood
should do just fine.  Just be careful when putting in your screws.
Don't put them in too tight or you will strip the holes.

Allan


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "brian1961go"
<brian1961go@y...> wrote:

That is a great idea!  Do you recommend a small square of masonite
per switch or cover the bottom of the foamboard?  I'd prefer asmall
square if you think Foamnails or gorilla glue will hold.  They are
modules and trying to keep them lightweight.

Thanks, Brian


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "wirefordcc"
<wire4dcc_admin@c...> wrote:

Brian,

Interesting question.  I once had a need to glue foam board to a
Tuperware lid.  The Tuperware is a similar kind of plastic asused
in
the Rix bracket.  It can't be done as far as I can tell.  I hada
hard
time finding an adhesive that would firmly grip the plastic.Then, 
any adhesive that would adhere to the lid ate right through thefoam
board.  I have not tried every glue out there, and since myexperiment
new glues have hit the market, like Gorilla glue.  So there may still
be some hope.

Note:  You may not want to glue your switch machine to yourfoam.
If
you don't mount it in the right spot the first time, or need toremove
it for any reason, it will take a chunk of layout with you.  Whydon't
you glue a piece of masonite to your foam and then screw mountyour
switch machine to that?  You will then be able to remove your
switchmacine.  Elmer's carpenter glue works on blue foam as wellas
hot melt.  The Elmer's may take a few days to dry.  But the hotmelt
may loose it's grip over time.




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Re: Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?

wirefordcc

#63

Brian,

I would think a small square of masonite or 1/4" piece of wood 
should do just fine.  Just be careful when putting in your screws.  
Don't put them in too tight or you will strip the holes.

Allan


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "brian1961go" 
<brian1961go@y...> wrote:

That is a great idea!  Do you recommend a small square of masonite 
per switch or cover the bottom of the foamboard?  I'd prefer a small 
square if you think Foamnails or gorilla glue will hold.  They are 
modules and trying to keep them lightweight.

Thanks, Brian


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "wirefordcc" 
<wire4dcc_admin@c...> wrote:

Brian,

Interesting question.  I once had a need to glue foam board to a 
Tuperware lid.  The Tuperware is a similar kind of plastic as used 
in 
the Rix bracket.  It can't be done as far as I can tell.  I had a 
hard 
time finding an adhesive that would firmly grip the plastic.  Then, 
any adhesive that would adhere to the lid ate right through the foam 
board.  I have not tried every glue out there, and since my experiment 
new glues have hit the market, like Gorilla glue.  So there may still 
be some hope.

Note:  You may not want to glue your switch machine to your foam.  
If 
you don't mount it in the right spot the first time, or need to remove 
it for any reason, it will take a chunk of layout with you.  Why don't 
you glue a piece of masonite to your foam and then screw mount your 
switch machine to that?  You will then be able to remove your 
switchmacine.  Elmer's carpenter glue works on blue foam as well as 
hot melt.  The Elmer's may take a few days to dry.  But the hot melt 
may loose it's grip over time.

Re: Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?

brian1961go

#62

That is a great idea!  Do you recommend a small square of masonite 
per switch or cover the bottom of the foamboard?  I'd prefer a small 
square if you think Foamnails or gorilla glue will hold.  They are 
modules and trying to keep them lightweight.

Thanks, Brian


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "wirefordcc" 
<wire4dcc_admin@c...> wrote:

Brian,

Interesting question.  I once had a need to glue foam board to a 
Tuperware lid.  The Tuperware is a similar kind of plastic as used in 
the Rix bracket.  It can't be done as far as I can tell.  I had a hard 
time finding an adhesive that would firmly grip the plastic.  Then, 
any adhesive that would adhere to the lid ate right through the foam 
board.  I have not tried every glue out there, and since my experiment 
new glues have hit the market, like Gorilla glue.  So there may still 
be some hope.

Note:  You may not want to glue your switch machine to your foam.  If 
you don't mount it in the right spot the first time, or need to remove 
it for any reason, it will take a chunk of layout with you.  Why don't 
you glue a piece of masonite to your foam and then screw mount your 
switch machine to that?  You will then be able to remove your 
switchmacine.  Elmer's carpenter glue works on blue foam as well as 
hot melt.  The Elmer's may take a few days to dry.  But the hot melt 
may loose it's grip over time.

Wiring Blocks Common Rail or Isolate both rails?

steve

#61

I have a layout with blocked sections.  I isolated both rails in each 
section.  I am using DCC and will be installing a BD4 to operate 
signals through an SRC24. 

Do i need to open 1 rail and make it common through the entire layout, 
or can i leave both rails isolated?  I have all my power comming 
through a 4 block circuit breaker.  

Thanks for your help.

Steve

Re: switches and lights

wirefordcc

#60

Steve,

I thought I replied to your message but I don't see it.

The link down below does work.  I think the site was down at the 
time you tried it.

The SRC8 is definitely a way you can do what you want.  But if your 
only reason for using the SRC8 is indicators, than the things that 
Don suggested will work just as well and be $40 cheaper.

I will be using the SRC8 for turnout indication, but I will also be 
using the button input feature of the SRC8 as well.

Allan


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "steve" <snorring@a...> wrote:


I too am looking for an answer to this question.  I beleive you need 
to use an SRC8 from team digital which can recieve a message once 
the turnout is thrown, it in turn sends a message out which can 
iluminate an LED.  Can anyone confirm this as a solution.   
Alternatives welcome.....   the link below doesn't seem to work can 
you repost it.

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Vollrath, Don" 
<dvollrath@m...> wrote:
Not directly, if I understand your question correctly.
The Atlas Snap Switches (the turnout) have a metal but non-powered 
frog.
You can power the frog by using external microswitches or relays, 
one of which is also called an Atlas Snap-Switch.  This device is a 
twin coil mechanical latching relay that can be wired in parallel 
with the Atlas twin coil switch machine that operates the turnout.  
The contacts of this relay can then be used to power the frog at the 
right polarity or operate a signal circuit.  Once you have that, 
look at Allan's wiring aids at 
.
DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Crawford [mailto:cei300@h...]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:25 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] switches and lights




Good Morning,  I am new to this list and my question is: 

Is it possible using Atlas snap switches and DCC, to connect a two 
light signal to it, to show red or green depending on which way the 
switch is, without having to do it manually?  Thank you for any help.

Les
Canadian Eastern Inland RR

Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

Vollrath, Don

#59

I posted the dwg April 13.
Go to the files section.  Look for "Twin coil Memory Relay.doc"
DonV

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From: WiringForDCC@...
[mailto:WiringForDCC@...]On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:48 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion
reporting

Thanks for your reply , i would like to see a drawing for latching
relay if you have one. I purchased an Atlas snap relay but it
doesn't seem to be woking as i intended.

thanks,
Steve

Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

steve

#58

Thanks for your reply , i would like to see a drawing for latching 
relay if you have one. I purchased an Atlas snap relay but it 
doesn't seem to be woking as i intended. 

thanks,
Steve


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Vollrath, Don" 
<dvollrath@m...> wrote:
If you have powered frogs see .
If you have Tortoise machines use a technique from .  Or simply use the 
switches internal to the Tortoise to operate the LED signals.

For a dual coil machine with no frog power switch there are several other ways...
1.  Add a mechanical microswitch to be activated by the throwbar.  See  scroll down about 2/3 
of the way to RECOMMENDATION #2-22:  this also works with manuual 
ground throws.
2.  Use a latching relay with diodes to flip and remember which coil was pulsed last.  Use a relay with coil voltage rating of about 
1/2 that of the supply.  Be sure to use steering and free-wheeling 
diodes feeding the latching relay coils.  I can post a circuit 
diagram if you need it.

DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: steve [mailto:snorring@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:28 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting




I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders anyone 
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch 
postion using LED's.  I have slow motion tortoise's and have them 
wired up using the internal switch. 

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow motion 
swithches.

Thanks,





 
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Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

"The \"Wiring For DCC\" Guy"

#57

Here's the URL for 2-22.
  While I was looking over it, I
did a few spelling and grammer fixes.

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From: Vollrath, Don [mailto:dvollrath@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:07 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion
reporting

If you have powered frogs see .
If you have Tortoise machines use a technique from
.  Or simply use the switches
internal to the Tortoise to operate the LED signals.

For a dual coil machine with no frog power switch there are several other
ways...
1.  Add a mechanical microswitch to be activated by the throwbar.  See
 scroll down about 2/3 of the way to
RECOMMENDATION #2-22:  this also works with manuual ground throws.
2.  Use a latching relay with diodes to flip and remember which coil was
pulsed last.  Use a relay with coil voltage rating of about 1/2 that of the
supply.  Be sure to use steering and free-wheeling diodes feeding the
latching relay coils.  I can post a circuit diagram if you need it.

DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: steve [mailto:snorring@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:28 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders anyone
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch
postion using LED's.  I have slow motion tortoise's and have them
wired up using the internal switch.

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow motion
swithches.

Thanks,

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Re: Tortoise switch machines - Route control

Jim McMahon

#56

Thanks Don will dig it out.

Jim

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  From: Don Vollrath 
  To: WiringForDCC@... 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:59 AM
  Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Tortoise switch machines - Route control

  Jim McMahon, try MR, November 2000, page 106
  DonV

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Re: Tortoise switch machines - Route control

Don Vollrath

#55

Jim McMahon, try MR, November 2000, page 106
DonV

New file uploaded to WiringForDCC

[email protected]

#54

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the WiringForDCC 
group.

  File        : /Twin Coil Memory Relay.doc 
  Uploaded by : donevol <dvollrath@...> 
  Description : Latching relay to remember last state of an Atlas twin coil switch machine.  Use contacts to operate signals or flip frog power. 

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Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

Vollrath, Don

#53

If you have powered frogs see .
If you have Tortoise machines use a technique from .  Or simply use the switches internal to the Tortoise to operate the LED signals.

For a dual coil machine with no frog power switch there are several other ways...
1.  Add a mechanical microswitch to be activated by the throwbar.  See  scroll down about 2/3 of the way to RECOMMENDATION #2-22:  this also works with manuual ground throws.
2.  Use a latching relay with diodes to flip and remember which coil was pulsed last.  Use a relay with coil voltage rating of about 1/2 that of the supply.  Be sure to use steering and free-wheeling diodes feeding the latching relay coils.  I can post a circuit diagram if you need it.

DonV

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-----Original Message-----
From: steve [mailto:snorring@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:28 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders anyone
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch
postion using LED's.  I have slow motion tortoise's and have them
wired up using the internal switch.

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow motion
swithches.

Thanks,

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Re: switches and lights

steve

#52

I too am looking for an answer to this question.  I beleive you need 
to use an SRC8 from team digital which can recieve a message once 
the turnout is thrown, it in turn sends a message out which can 
iluminate an LED.  Can anyone confirm this as a solution.   
Alternatives welcome.....   the link below doesn't seem to work can 
you repost it.

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Vollrath, Don" 
<dvollrath@m...> wrote:
Not directly, if I understand your question correctly.
The Atlas Snap Switches (the turnout) have a metal but non-powered frog.
You can power the frog by using external microswitches or relays, one of which is also called an Atlas Snap-Switch.  This device is a 
twin coil mechanical latching relay that can be wired in parallel 
with the Atlas twin coil switch machine that operates the turnout.  
The contacts of this relay can then be used to power the frog at the 
right polarity or operate a signal circuit.  Once you have that, 
look at Allan's wiring aids at 
.
DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Crawford [mailto:cei300@h...]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:25 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] switches and lights




Good Morning,  I am new to this list and my question is: 

Is it possible using Atlas snap switches and DCC, to connect a two 
light signal to it, to show red or green depending on which way the 
switch is, without having to do it manually?  Thank you for any help.

Les
Canadian Eastern Inland RR

wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

steve

#51

I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders anyone 
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch 
postion using LED's.  I have slow motion tortoise's and have them 
wired up using the internal switch. 

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow motion 
swithches.

Thanks,

Re: Tortoise switch machines

wirefordcc

#50

Don Vollrath has made a set of drawings showing various configurations 
of multiple switch machines, diode matrix'ing, multiple control 
positions, and indicators.  These drawings are now on permanent 
display on the Wiring For DCC website at 

Re: Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?

wirefordcc

#49

Brian,

Interesting question.  I once had a need to glue foam board to a 
Tuperware lid.  The Tuperware is a similar kind of plastic as used in 
the Rix bracket.  It can't be done as far as I can tell.  I had a hard 
time finding an adhesive that would firmly grip the plastic.  Then, 
any adhesive that would adhere to the lid ate right through the foam 
board.  I have not tried every glue out there, and since my experiment 
new glues have hit the market, like Gorilla glue.  So there may still 
be some hope.

Note:  You may not want to glue your switch machine to your foam.  If 
you don't mount it in the right spot the first time, or need to remove 
it for any reason, it will take a chunk of layout with you.  Why don't 
you glue a piece of masonite to your foam and then screw mount your 
switch machine to that?  You will then be able to remove your 
switchmacine.  Elmer's carpenter glue works on blue foam as well as 
hot melt.  The Elmer's may take a few days to dry.  But the hot melt 
may loose it's grip over time.

Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?

brian1961go

#48

Curious, What method has anyone had success mounting switches to 
foamboard?  Do you glue Rix switch mounts directly to foamboard or 
oyther ideas?

Thanks, Brian

Re: Newbie Knucklehead wiring question

Vollrath, Don

#47

Yes.  You must wire up both rails.
There will be a connection diagram supplied with almost every throttle, power pac and DCC system controller.

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-----Original Message-----
From: brian1961go [mailto:brian1961go@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:43 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Newbie Knucklehead wiring question

Have not purchased a DCC system yet and have never wired a model
railroad but have completed my benchwork and ready to start wiring.
Do i wire both rails or just one?  Is it clear on the back of the DCC
controller/unit?  I assume same for feeder wires?

Also, I have a small modular layout, around the walls about 40' long.
Do I do homerun wiring to each 8' module from the DCC unit or will one
40' bus suffice?  I am using 14awg wire for bus and 18-20 for feeders
but that is flexible.  each module has terminal screws.

Is there a diagram of a basic wiring plan.

TIA,
Brian

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