That's eBay...not eBaby. I saw that before I hit "send", but I am sure you
all grasped the idea...

I'm not sure if you are collecting internet links about Tucson History, but
I have been utilizing several lately for research for one of my websites.

- Dillinger
-
Kidnapping of June Robles 1934, just a couple of months after Dillinger was
caught.
- Pioneer Hotel Fire

The BBQ joints are from the 1965 Tucson Phonebook.

If you recall, 1965 was the year that Charlie Schmid killed sisters Gretchen
and Wendy Fritz, and was dubbed "The Pied Piper of Tucson".

This 1965 phonebook has two advertisements for Schmid's adoptive parents'
nursing homes. One of them being located across the street from the murder
site. For some interesting and detailed reading on that subject, click
here:


Also, there are two advertisements for the Pioneer International Hotel,
along with countless other gems.

I recently sold off my Pioneer International Hotel collection on eBaby. The
winning bidder was a retired Tucson firefighter, who helped to battle the
blaze that night in 1970. I met him at a local Denny's to "make the
exchange" of cash for merchandise. He had some intriguing tales from that
night...along with a copy of the Tucson Fire Department detailed report of
the incident, which he allowed me to photocopy. Very interesting reading...

I could go on and on and on...

Hi Carol,

Please post more pictures and comments. Pleeeease!

also...

I looked in my 1948 business directory for Barbeque joints.
Unfortunately, the restaurant section is far from complete. They
probably had to pay to be listed. I only found one other place not
mentioned in the previous post. What year were the other ones from?
Surely someone can add to the mouthwatering list below:


Bar B-Q Restaurant 1030-32 N. Park (circa 1948)
"Fountain, Coffee Shop, Lamberts Tap Room"

The Bar-B-Q Rib at 5975 E Speedway
"ribs, chicken, steak, pork, beef, all kinds
of seafood"

Bennett's Barbecue at 2314 N Stone

Hickory Smoke House at 4202 E Speedway

Jack's 5250 E. 22nd (current)

Jack's Drive Inn at 356 E Grant





--- In vanishingtucson@..., "Carol Strong" <aces225@f...>
wrote:

Hi, my name is Carol, Becky is my dau.in.law and my wonderful

computer Guru . I took that picture of Congress, I would say, about
1943-44. Note the two young men in uniform just behind the man with
his head down. You can see the Fox Theater further down the street
(west). I'm anxious to see the Fox once it's restored and open for
business. Note the shoe store across the street - do you remember
that leather shoes were rationed to twice a year for adults?

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Hi All,

Thanks for adding the great picture. To me, it looks like it is
Congress facing west, taken from the south side of the street. If so,
then the building on the left would be what is now the "Chicago
Store". There is a folder of Chicago Store pictures in the Photos
section.

I'll check my 1948 business directory for Barbeque joints next week,
and post a list. Yum. Good incentive to go take photos for my
"research", heh, heh.


--- In vanishingtucson@..., "Cherlyn Strong"
<cnbstrong@p...> wrote:

I uploaded a 1940's Congress Street Photo to the photo section. I

didn't

caption it, because I want to verify the details with my

mother-in-law, who

is also a member of the list.

-----Original Message-----
From: vanishingtucson@...
[mailto:vanishingtucson@...]On Behalf Of Cherlyn Strong
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:07 AM
To: vanishingtucson@...
Subject: RE: [vanishingtucson] Person with old phone book.


Under "Barbeque", there are four establishments listed:

The Bar-B-Q Rib at 5975 E Speedway
Bennett's Barbecue at 2314 N Stone
Hickory Smoke House at 4202 E Speedway
Jack's Drive Inn at 356 E Grant

Only "The Bar-B-Q Rib" on Speedway had a large yellow pages ad:

They list their menu items as: ribs, chicken, steak, pork, beef,

all kinds

of seafood.

However, they do not specify the type of ribs...hmmmmmmmm.....




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Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: vanishingtucson@...
Subject: RE: [vanishingtucson] Person with old phone book.


Nother suprise???Check out BB places.I don't know of
any places thet sold PORK Barbeque Ribs only Beef.
--- Cherlyn Strong <cnbstrong@p...> wrote:

I have a 1965 Tucson phone book. Under "Attorneys",
it says: "See
Lawyers".

I love this phone book!



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c2s0naz
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:46 PM
To: vanishingtucson@...
Subject: [vanishingtucson] Person with old phone
book.


Seems to me in the late 60's or early 70's that
Attorneys were not in
the yellow pages,only Lawyers,verify.Thanks






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I uploaded a 1940's Congress Street Photo to the photo section. I didn't
caption it, because I want to verify the details with my mother-in-law, who
is also a member of the list.

According to the 1965 Tucson phonebook, "El Rancho Diablo" was a guest ranch
was located on West Ajo Way. Perhaps in your city directory, it can be
located in the "E" section.

"Rancho Del Rio" is listed at 2800 N Sabino Canyon Road...but I have seen
references in this group that it was located on Ajo Way.

Under "Barbeque", there are four establishments listed:

The Bar-B-Q Rib at 5975 E Speedway
Bennett's Barbecue at 2314 N Stone
Hickory Smoke House at 4202 E Speedway
Jack's Drive Inn at 356 E Grant

Only "The Bar-B-Q Rib" on Speedway had a large yellow pages ad:

They list their menu items as: ribs, chicken, steak, pork, beef, all kinds
of seafood.

However, they do not specify the type of ribs...hmmmmmmmm.....

Nother suprise???Check out BB places.I don't know of
any places thet sold PORK Barbeque Ribs only Beef.
--- Cherlyn Strong <cnbstrong@...> wrote:

I have a 1965 Tucson phone book. Under "Attorneys",
it says: "See
Lawyers".

I love this phone book!



-----Original Message-----
From: vanishingtucson@...
[mailto:vanishingtucson@...]On Behalf Of
c2s0naz
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:46 PM
To: vanishingtucson@...
Subject: [vanishingtucson] Person with old phone
book.


Seems to me in the late 60's or early 70's that
Attorneys were not in
the yellow pages,only Lawyers,verify.Thanks






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I have a 1965 Tucson phone book. Under "Attorneys", it says: "See
Lawyers".

I love this phone book!

Ranch on No.side Snyder Road bout 1/4 mile west Sabino Canyon Rd.Was
owned by Rodger McCluskey,Race car and Indy 500 racer.

Seems to me in the late 60's or early 70's that Attorneys were not in
the yellow pages,only Lawyers,verify.Thanks

Seems to me there was a bowling alley at Hidden Valley,But only lasted
a short time and had a fire and shut it down.

Hi All,

Just posted a picture of the Santa Cruz River, flowing year round, as
described in the previous Mission San Augustin messages. Hard to
imagine.

Good to know that short stretches of the river between here and
Nogales still flow year round. They are a great place to play with
your dog in the clear, cool, shallow water. Eventually the entire
"river" will only flow after storms.

Carlos

Hi All,

I asked a knowledgeable friend about St. Augustin. He has a lot he
could tell us, but currently has no access to the internet. Here are
a few of his comments (hope I paraphrase correctly):


St. Augustin was still a functioning church up to the 1860's.

At that time, the Santa Cruz river flowed year round. It was a broad
river which meandered over a wide area, with no set course. The Santa
Cruz was wide, but shallow enough for children to walk through on
their way to school every morning. The deep wash that we are so
familiar with was created virtually overnight by a huge rain storm in
the late 1800's. During this storm, the floodwaters found their way
into a man-made irrigation canal and eroded the fairly permanent gorge
that we see today.

The above mentioned storm did great damage to the mission, combined
with the earthquake which occured around that same time. At that
time, the mission was already abandoned, and Steinfeld was using the
structure to store hay. The damage from the earthquake was worsened
by the fact that Steinfeld had weakened the structure by gutting the
interior for storage. Additionally, Steinfeld overloaded the second
story, which hastened it's collapse.

Apparently the vintage photos were taken to commemorate the
catastrophic damage done by the flood and the earthquake. So the
photos were not meant to be a more typical depiction of "the timeless
dignity of ruins". They were really more like a news story.

In 1964, the mission was finally bulldozed in the name of "progress"
to make room for a garbage dump.

To see where it once stood, you can go to the intersection of W.
Mission Lane and Brickyard Lane.

For more information, see previous posts titled "Mystery Picture:
Ruins on the Santa Cruz".

Carlos

-I can say that I was there too. I was all but 5 months old at the
time but I have heard the story everytime a plane goes down. My Mama
and Gramma was at the laundry mat all morning. My Gramma said I was
begining to wine and she said I was nervous for no reason. THey
hurried up and packed the car with out folding the last load of
clothes. They had just pulled out of the parking lot when my gramma
checked her mirror and saw the plane coming down. She alomst hit a car
trying to get out of the parking lot. She said she had never felt so
blessed. To this day I look at that corner in a whole different
light.....

-When I read Spaghetti all I cld think about was the Spaghetti
company on 29th and Alvernon mm mm mmm

-- In vanishingtucson@..., "Kelly" <2corinthians517@c...>
wrote:

Wasn't there a spaghetti place in an old train car too? I am 36

years old,

but seem to remember a spaghetti place in a train...



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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:50 PM
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--- In vanishingtucson@..., "lb1940" <lb1940@y...>

wrote:

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone remembers the old drive-in resturants in
Tucson? Everyone remembers Johnnies, but how about Richies,
Hasty-Tasty And Duffies where they gave you a pizza shaped like a
heart on your birthday. Does anyone remember more?

Larry

Don't forget big Bobs and Johnnies on 22nd was only place open

after

12:00.





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Welcome to the Group,

Thanks for the recommendation. I found both of these recently. I'm
looking forward to reading both of them carefully, with old maps
nearby. Hope to pinpoint some actual locations like you did with the
Evergreen Cemetary. I'll post my progress when I get around to it
someday.

Carlos


--- In vanishingtucson@..., "bagbaazai" <bagbaazai@n...>
wrote:

This book was written by Rosemary Taylor nee Drachman (the sister of
real estate notable Roy Drachman) and chronicles her family's lives in
early 20th C. Tucson (another book, "Chicken Every Sunday," was her
accounts of the family's boarding house, and it was even made into a
movie..ooh, ahh!).

This book was written by Rosemary Taylor nee Drachman (the sister of
real estate notable Roy Drachman) and chronicles her family's lives in
early 20th C. Tucson (another book, "Chicken Every Sunday," was her
accounts of the family's boarding house, and it was even made into a
movie..ooh, ahh!).

When Deron Beal, founder of FreeCycle, inadvertantly unearthed human
skeletal remains in his front yard earlier this year, I suspect that
this was a forgotten soul of one of the original cemeteries in Tucson
that's mentioned in the book. Rosemary and Roy's father railed about
establishing another cemetery way north of town so the local kids
wouldn't mess around in a graveyard and be tempted to steal the
incense left to burn on the Chinese gravestones. He suceeded in
securing another cemetery site, "way north"...it's Evergreen, on the
NW corner of Oracle and Miracle Mile!

These books are rather hard to find (along with one written by Taylor
of her adventures in Morocco following college), but they occasionally
turn up at the Friends of the Tucson-Pima Public Libary warehouse,
where I volunteer, and I'm always trying to foist them off on the
other volunteers -- "You have to read this...it's all about Tucson!"

Thanks to Gretchen for her research.

I'm posting the picture she found, and the article follows:




"Rebuilding convento is no easy task"

By Thomas Stauffer
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

Now that the archaeological evidence - or lack of it - has been
analyzed, officials will ponder how best to interpret Tucson's
historic Mission de San Augustín for future visitors and tourists.

The reconstruction of the mission, at a site known as Tucson's
birthplace, will be heavily dependent not just on archaeological
finds, photographs and documents, but also on conjecture.

"I think we're going to use the best evidence we have, and as part of
the interpretation of it, be able to signal to people what we know,
and what we're not so sure of," said John Jones, project director for
Rio Nuevo, the Downtown revitalization plan that will pay for the
mission reconstruction.

About two-thirds of the mission site west of the Santa Cruz River at
the base of "A" Mountain was destroyed more than three decades ago by
a clay-mining plant and a city landfill.

Built in the 1770s, San Augustín had a Spanish missionary chapel, a
building called a convento, two cemeteries, a granary, and other
smaller structures contained in a compound wall. Just southwest of the
mission compound, another wall surrounded Mission Gardens, where fruit
trees and crops were grown.

But the site of the mission has a much older history, as evidence
uncovered by Desert Archaeology Inc. two years ago found American
Indian pithouses, storage pits and other features that date to 4,000
years ago. Archaeologists also found part of the compound wall and the
granary, but no trace of the chapel or convento buildings.

The mission buildings were already deteriorating by 1798, documents
show, and a small section of the convento wall was all that was left
by the 1950s.

"We don't have anything there now, because whatever was there was
absolutely destroyed," said the Rev. Charles Polzer, a church
historian. "But there is a sense of place, and if we have the
intelligence, the ambition, the documents and the skills, we can
re-create that sense of place."

States sales tax matched with city funds will pay for the
reconstruction of the mission site. Just how to do that reconstructing
was a popular topic at a public meeting held last week.

R. Brooks Jeffery, preservation studies coordinator for the University
of Arizona, said he fears reconstruction will result in a false sense
of history and devalue truly authentic structures like San Xavier Mission.

"There are other ways to interpret and present the site, ways that
avoid a kind of 'Disney-fying' of something that we really don't know
all that much about," Jeffery said.

No photographs of the mission chapel have surfaced, so a
reconstruction would have to be based on archival information and
knowledge of other contemporary chapels. While photographs do exist of
the convento, none illuminates what the south side of the building or
its interior looked like. In a computer walk-through of the mission
site created by Doug Gann of the Center for Desert Archaeology,
portions of buildings that can't be confirmed by evidence are
distinguished with glass.

That's something that's done at many real reconstruction sites, said
Richard Cronenberger, a National Park Service official who oversaw the
reconstruction of an 1850s trading fort in North Dakota.

"I think that you need to be honest about what you know and what you
don't know," he said.

Cronenberger added that several buildings at the fort were
intentionally not rebuilt, to foster imagination.

"If we were to build all of them, you would lose a sense of
imagination about what it was, and no matter how well you do the
research, the reconstruction has present-day values in it, not
historical values," he said.

Tucson City Councilman Steve Leal argued that giving visitors a true
feel for the mission would be compromised by glass partitions or
incomplete construction.

"If we put glass in where we're not sure, we then undermine the part
of the reconstruction that we do know a lot about," Leal said. "What
we have done is deprived people of experiencing a sense of place in
another time."

Jones said the interpretation will include recreating some of the
irrigation canals and fruit orchards on the site, and that buildings
will probably not be broken up with glass or other means. There will
also be attempts to somehow connect the mission site with the Tucson
Presidio, the old Spanish garrison, across the river, he said.

"The mission was founded to grow crops to feed the soldiers, and then
a half-mile away was the presidio to protect the people growing the
crops," he said. "So, there's a symbiotic relationship between the two
that we want to somehow connect in our interpretation."

Even the words used to describe the mission are a mystery, Polzer
said. San Augustín was actually not a mission but a visita, which
designates a church that doesn't have a residing priest.

The two-story convento building, possibly the largest building of its
time period in the southwest, is also a mystery, he said. The building
probably housed priests who journeyed to the site from San Xavier, but
was also apparently a chapel, a storage room, and may have been used
for social reasons, Polzer said.

Jesuit priest Eusebio Kino, the first European missionary in the
region, came to the site in 1692. Father Francisco Garces later
founded San Augustín.

Reconstruction efforts at San Augustín could begin as early as 2003.
Several public meetings will be held during the planning process,
Jones said.


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