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Carlos,Does your phone book show 4 Sambos restaurants
in Tucson?




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Thanks to Bob (as always) and to William for the DM history.

My "unnamed source" attempted to answer some of the questions about
Tucson's airfields. I wish he had a computer. It's no wonder there
is confusion. For instance:

The airfield I will refer to as the "Downtown Airport" has had several
different names over the years. One of those names was Macauley Field.
People think that Macauley Field was on Nogales Highway because the
city placed a monument to the Downtown Airport near 6th and Ajo.
Presumably, they located the monument there because they had moved
some of the old hangars to the Rodeo Grounds. They are still there.

Over the years, the borders of the Downton Airport have expanded and
shrank. At one point, it extended as far east as Alvernon. This is
why some people confuse it with the old DM field.

Adding to the confusion is the fact that the Downtown Airport was
converted over to private civilian use in the 1930's and 40's, and
doesn't appear on many maps from that period. During this time, one
of the tenants was the University of Arizona. They used the field to
train their cadets.

One thing we know for certain is that the Downtown Airport was
Tucson's first official airport, opening in 1916. Lindbergh stopped
there, as well as other history-making pilots, male and female.
Blimps made several stops at the field, but we found no evidence of a
mooring tower.

William, my source believes that the hangar you asked about is an Army
Air Corps hangar from the 1940's.

More on the smaller fields later. Anyone have any pictures?

Thanks,

Carlos


--- In vanishingtucson@..., "William V. Sutherland"
<wvsaz@m...> wrote:

How many airports has Tucson had?

Charles A. Lindbergh landed here September 23, 1927, to dedicate the

new city airport located on property that is now part of DMAFB, in the
area immediately southeast of Golf Links & Alvernon. Aviation Highway
was a dedicated dirt road starting at 22nd St. at the SP railroad, and

paralleling the tracks directly to the airport. This city airport,
called Davis-Monthan Municipal Airport, was the largest municipally
owned airport in the country when it opened.
In 1940 it was announced that a military air base was to be located
"somewhere in Arizona", and both Tucson and Phoenix badly wanted it.
The city offered to give D-M to the military if they would locate the
base here. The military accepted, and retained the D-M name for the
base. The base continued to handle the American Airlines passenger
flights until the present Tucson International Airport opened in 1948.
So, what airport do the hangers near Kino & 36th belong to? The

property is listed as belonging to the City of Tucson, and the parcel
certainly contains enough acreage for an airport.

The airport prior to 1927 was supposed to have been south of town on
Nogales Highway. Another was called Macauley field, but I don't know

the location. The city obtained the first portion of land for the
present airport in 1941.

A 1940 street map shows the airport bordered by Alvernon on the west,
Golf Links on the north, the SPRR tracks on the south, and an eastern
border on the same alignment as Rosemont. The base is shown as an
eastern extension from the Rosemont alignment to Craycroft. The map

does not indicate anything southwest of 36th & Kino.

The 1940 map shows Aviation Highway ending at Alvernon. It also shows a
city bus line (the # 7!) running south from Broadway on Craycroft,
entering the base at its eastern boundary about a half mile south of
Golf Links. The downtown bus terminal is shown located at 6th Ave. &
Congress, where the Ronstadt Transit Center is today!
Does anyone know if the small hanger at the corner of D-M near Golf
Links & Alvernon is an original building from the municipal airport?

All of this is fascinating. I hope others have information to clear up
these mysteries.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mistercopacetic" <mistercopacetic@y...>
To: <vanishingtucson@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:23 AM
Subject: [vanishingtucson] Tucson Drive-In theaters plus airport note...

These yellowed 1954 newspaper fragments have another significance.
We recently rescued them from inside the ruins of Tucson's first
airport. You can still see the metal skeletons of the old airplane
hangars by looking southwest from the corner of Kino and 36th. At the
site, you can find evidence of even older wooden hangars. If it's
quiet, you can almost hear the sound of the propeller-driven planes
taking off and landing on the packed-caleche runways.

The city was using the hangars for storage until recently. They are
now completely abandoned and will certainly be gone soon.

Carlos

How many airports has Tucson had?

Charles A. Lindbergh landed here September 23, 1927, to dedicate the new
city airport located on property that is now part of DMAFB, in the area
immediately southeast of Golf Links & Alvernon. Aviation Highway was a
dedicated dirt road starting at 22nd St. at the SP railroad, and
paralleling the tracks directly to the airport. This city airport,
called Davis-Monthan Municipal Airport, was the largest municipally
owned airport in the country when it opened.

In 1940 it was announced that a military air base was to be located
"somewhere in Arizona", and both Tucson and Phoenix badly wanted it.
The city offered to give D-M to the military if they would locate the
base here. The military accepted, and retained the D-M name for the
base. The base continued to handle the American Airlines passenger
flights until the present Tucson International Airport opened in 1948.

So, what airport do the hangers near Kino & 36th belong to? The property
is listed as belonging to the City of Tucson, and the parcel certainly
contains enough acreage for an airport.

The airport prior to 1927 was supposed to have been south of town on
Nogales Highway. Another was called Macauley field, but I don't know the
location. The city obtained the first portion of land for the present
airport in 1941.

A 1940 street map shows the airport bordered by Alvernon on the west,
Golf Links on the north, the SPRR tracks on the south, and an eastern
border on the same alignment as Rosemont. The base is shown as an
eastern extension from the Rosemont alignment to Craycroft. The map does
not indicate anything southwest of 36th & Kino.

The 1940 map shows Aviation Highway ending at Alvernon. It also shows a
city bus line (the # 7!) running south from Broadway on Craycroft,
entering the base at its eastern boundary about a half mile south of
Golf Links. The downtown bus terminal is shown located at 6th Ave. &
Congress, where the Ronstadt Transit Center is today!

Does anyone know if the small hanger at the corner of D-M near Golf
Links & Alvernon is an original building from the municipal airport?

All of this is fascinating. I hope others have information to clear up
these mysteries.

Hi Again Carlos,In your searches some older Topo Maps
and Aerial Maps will show an Airport North of Prince
Rd and East of the Freeway.Also a landing strip in
Vail

--- mistercopacetic <mistercopacetic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Posting scans of some movie ads from the Dec. 1st,
1954 Arizona Daily
Star. Lots of drive-ins back then. Remember that
the De Anza was
called the Cactus Drive-In back then. I don't see
an ad for the
Apache. More scans in the Photos section.

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Hey Carlos,If you may recall a lot of businesses were
Cactus Corporation and well reknowned partner was Hugh
Downs.Still nobody has information on Bowling Alley in
Hidden Valley or Ranch owned by Roger McClusky.
--- mistercopacetic <mistercopacetic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Posting some scans of movie ads from the Dec. 1st,
1954 Arizona Daily
Star. I didn't count, but there may have actually
been more drive-ins
than indoor theaters back then.

Note that the De Anza was originally called the
Cactus Drive-In.

I don't see an ad for the Apache.

More scans in the Photos section.

These yellowed 1954 newspaper fragments have another
significance.
We recently rescued them from inside the ruins of
Tucson's first
airport. You can still see the metal skeletons of
the old airplane
hangars by looking southwest from the corner of Kino
and 36th. At the
site, you can find evidence of even older wooden
hangars. If it's
quiet, you can almost hear the sound of the
propeller-driven planes
taking off and landing on the packed-caleche
runways.

The city was using the hangars for storage until
recently. They are
now completely abandoned and will certainly be gone
soon.

Carlos

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Hi All,

Posting some scans of movie ads from the Dec. 1st, 1954 Arizona Daily
Star. I didn't count, but there may have actually been more drive-ins
than indoor theaters back then.

Note that the De Anza was originally called the Cactus Drive-In.

I don't see an ad for the Apache.

More scans in the Photos section.

These yellowed 1954 newspaper fragments have another significance.
We recently rescued them from inside the ruins of Tucson's first
airport. You can still see the metal skeletons of the old airplane
hangars by looking southwest from the corner of Kino and 36th. At the
site, you can find evidence of even older wooden hangars. If it's
quiet, you can almost hear the sound of the propeller-driven planes
taking off and landing on the packed-caleche runways.

The city was using the hangars for storage until recently. They are
now completely abandoned and will certainly be gone soon.

Carlos

--- In vanishingtucson@..., "mistercopacetic"
<mistercopacetic@y...> wrote:

Hi All,

That's right folks, Tucson's last remaining drive-in movie theater is
up for sale. And they seem to be marketing it as LAND, not really as
a theater. It's true that the land is worth a bundle, but it's also
true that the theater is still doing great business. On Friday and
Saturday nights, the waiting line of cars stretches for two blocks
down Alvernon.

Let's hope whoever buys it continues to operate as it a drive-in.

I wonder if the not-for-profit group that saved the Loft might be
interested in an outdoor venue... :)

That's too bad. We go ALL the time. They just recently had made some improvements too! A new entrance, new letters for the movie names, and they cleaned up and painted the snack bar. When I saw that, I had hopes that the owners had decided to improve.

I had an email conversation with someone from the owning company, DeAnza Land and Leisure, a few years ago and I got the impression they were really hoping the managers would be able to make big improvements (parking lot, bathrooms, etc.) and bring in profits. But at that time they were really disappointed in the general condition of the theater and while it was making some money, not enough for any type of renovation.

I'm crossing my fingers and praying some nice person will buy the theater and keep it going. But, hec, I'd still be happy even they sold the land and relocated the theater somewhere else (someplace darker!).

Bjay



mistercopacetic wrote:

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Editor, Diabetic Mommy Online Magazine

Hi All,

That's right folks, Tucson's last remaining drive-in movie theater is
up for sale. And they seem to be marketing it as LAND, not really as
a theater. It's true that the land is worth a bundle, but it's also
true that the theater is still doing great business. On Friday and
Saturday nights, the waiting line of cars stretches for two blocks
down Alvernon.

Let's hope whoever buys it continues to operate as it a drive-in.

If you've got an extra $2.4 million to invest, here's a link to the
listing:




I hope someone can find a photo that is older than the one I posted
from 2000.

I'm SURE someone can share some memories about the place. Last time I
went was last spring when it was still chilly. We packed as many
people as possible into the back of my old Ranchero, and pulled into
the space backward. We brought tons of blankets, pillows, and of
course snacks. Next time I may bring along the barbeque grill.

Thanks,
Carlos

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Hi All,

Thanks for assuaging my fears that we were losing another landmark.
Lately in Tucson, if you see a fence go up, it's safe to assume that
bulldozers will soon follow.

Let's hope that converting the Ghost Ranch, as-is, to expensive senior
apartments, will boost its profitablility enough to allow it to survive.

Everyone feel free to post a message if you see a Tucson landmark
which may be in jeopardy.

Thanks,

Carlos

P.S. I violated internet rule number one: I asked a question without
trying a Google search first.



--- In vanishingtucson@..., "Michael Whitney"
<minardi.1@e...> wrote:

Yes -- rumor has it they're going to make it into an apartment complex.

But I don't know if that means they will take everything down. The

Ghost Ranch has been fenced off since at least June.

Yes -- rumor has it they're going to make it into an apartment complex.

But I don't know if that means they will take everything down. The Ghost Ranch has been fenced off since at least June.

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Look under the "Rooms" page on the Ghost Ranch Webstite...93 apartments are
under construction and will be available for lease in Fall 2006!

Being nosy, I just called all numbers associated with the lodge, and they
are all "disconnected or no longer in service"!

Accordng to the website, it is undergoing renovation.
with the following snippet at the end:

"The Ghost Ranch Lodge is currently undergoing renovation. For leasing
information contact Development Design Group at 520-205-8957. "

Cherlyn

Hi All,

Does anyone know why the historic Ghost Ranch Lodge on Miracle Mile is
closed? I hope it is just closed for remodeling!

The entire property is completely fenced off. The power appears to
still be on, and it hasn't been boarded up.

I hope not going to be torn down.

See pics in the "Photos" section, in the "Miracle Mile" folder.
Please add more if you have them. Has anyone ever stayed at the Ghost
Ranch? If so, please describe.

Thanks,

Carlos

P.S. Thanks to Carol and Becky for their recent posts. Carol, my
hometown is Chicago, and I've been in Tucson for 20+ years. Thanks
for your interest.

Hi! Sorry for the confusion. Yes, my mother-in-law is Carol Strong.
I am Cherlyn, but also go by "Becky".

One website will be dedicated to the Pioneer Hotel. The other is a
community website www.threepointsarizona.com - dedicated to the
community of Three Points, aka Robles Junction 25 miles south of
Tucson. My husband and I recently were priced out of buying a home
in Tucson, so we ended up in Three Points / Robles Junction.

Bernabe Robles and his sons were very influential in Tucson and
Robles Junction. So influential, that Bernabe's grand daughter June
was kidnapped in 1934...just a couple months after Dillinger was
captured, and not long ofter the Lindbergh baby kidnapping. Tucson
was in the national spotlight...again. Many thought that
Dillinger's gang was involved in the bizarre kidnapping.

I didn't write much about it yet...The Arizona Historical Society
doesn't have anything in their archives, except for a couple
mentions in oral histories. So, my next stop is TPD to search their
archives.

Here's the link to the Three Points History page I am working on:








--- In vanishingtucson@..., "Carol Strong"
<aces225@f...> wrote:

Becky Strong is the one who provided the links, the one to be

thanked, not me. I can understand why it's confusing. I'm older
and was in Tucson schools in the 1940's. I've provided only a
little information. Becky is my daughter in law, grew up in Tucson.
We are both Strong but she is the one with the website. I'm
forwarding this to her.

How long have you lived in Tucson?. Carol Strong at aces225@f...
----- Original Message -----
From: mistercopacetic
To: vanishingtucson@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [vanishingtucson] Re: Congress Street Photo, and

barbeque...

Hi again Carol,

Thanks for those interesting links.

What is your website about?

Please feel free to "go on and on" anytime you like.


Carlos






> I'm not sure if you are collecting internet links about Tucson
History, but
> I have been utilizing several lately for research for one of my
websites.
>
> - Dillinger
>

oid=oid:51585 -

> Kidnapping of June Robles 1934, just a couple of months after
Dillinger was
> caught.
> - Pioneer Hotel

Fire

>
>
> The BBQ joints are from the 1965 Tucson Phonebook.
> If you recall, 1965 was the year that Charlie Schmid killed

sisters

Gretchen
> and Wendy Fritz, and was dubbed "The Pied Piper of Tucson".
>
> This 1965 phonebook has two advertisements for Schmid's

adoptive

parents'
> nursing homes. One of them being located across the street

from the

murder
> site. For some interesting and detailed reading on that

subject, click

> here:
>

ml

>
> Also, there are two advertisements for the Pioneer

International Hotel,

> along with countless other gems.
>
> I recently sold off my Pioneer International Hotel collection

on

eBaby. The
> winning bidder was a retired Tucson firefighter, who helped to
battle the
> blaze that night in 1970. I met him at a local Denny's

to "make the

> exchange" of cash for merchandise. He had some intriguing

tales

from that
>
> night...along with a copy of the Tucson Fire Department

detailed

report of
> the incident, which he allowed me to photocopy. Very

interesting

reading...
>
> I could go on and on and on...





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Hi again Carol,

Thanks for those interesting links.

What is your website about?

Please feel free to "go on and on" anytime you like.


Carlos

I'm not sure if you are collecting internet links about Tucson

History, but

I have been utilizing several lately for research for one of my

websites.

- Dillinger
-
Kidnapping of June Robles 1934, just a couple of months after

Dillinger was

caught.
- Pioneer Hotel Fire


The BBQ joints are from the 1965 Tucson Phonebook.
If you recall, 1965 was the year that Charlie Schmid killed sisters

Gretchen

and Wendy Fritz, and was dubbed "The Pied Piper of Tucson".

This 1965 phonebook has two advertisements for Schmid's adoptive

parents'

nursing homes. One of them being located across the street from the

murder

site. For some interesting and detailed reading on that subject, click
here:


Also, there are two advertisements for the Pioneer International Hotel,
along with countless other gems.

I recently sold off my Pioneer International Hotel collection on

eBaby. The

winning bidder was a retired Tucson firefighter, who helped to

battle the

blaze that night in 1970. I met him at a local Denny's to "make the
exchange" of cash for merchandise. He had some intriguing tales

from that

night...along with a copy of the Tucson Fire Department detailed

report of

the incident, which he allowed me to photocopy. Very interesting

reading...

I could go on and on and on...

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