Hi All,

Thanks to Gretchen for the heads-up. Yes, the U of A has leveled an
entire city block of historic homes at Cherry and Seventh. Luckily I
was able to get a few pics of the last house (half of it).

There was another guy taking photos of the demolition named Bruce. He
knows a lot about activism in historic preservation. Says he can't
handle all the paperwork and is willing to train an assistant. Anyone
interested? Unfortunately his computer is down right now. Hope to
hear more from him in future.

We're losing so many historic buildings, I don't really know what to
be most concerned about. I've heard that the Fourth Avenue underpass
project is imminent. It will take out a lot of grand old structures.

My Rant: I recently heard one of the main project managers for Rio
Nuevo say that they don't want Downtown to become just a big on-ramp
for I-10. If that is so, then why increase traffic capacity?
Wouldn't they want to decrease capacity, put in speed bumps, and widen
the sidewalks? Doesn't make sense. Many other cities have turned
downtown streets like Congress and Fourth into pedestrian malls.

Here's a handy link to the comment area that Gretchen mentioned:





--- In vanishingtucson@..., "gretchenannjane"
<gretchenannjane@y...> wrote:

With dismay, I watched as 4 more houses went on 7th st. and Cherry.
Looked to be from the 20's-30's. More parking.
Next up, 30 more from same era may go for widening of Bdwy to EIGHT
lanes. This could take 10 years to happen but the time to act is
always (including now)
rtamobility.com is asking for comments on the plan. Based on a traffic
study done in 2004, (the numbers that I saw,) the widening from
Campbell/Euclid is not necessary. This is where the 30 or so houses
are.
It's hard to see the vanishing happen right before my eyes. Is it
always necessary? If you wish, give RTA your opinion, whatever it may
be.

Has anyone read "Enchantment of Everyday Life" by Thomas Moore? In
one chapter he talks about our need for ruins. The gist of it is, if
we completely erase our past, then we don't have a clear way to think
about our present or our future; we don't have a true sense of our
own position in place or time. He also discusses the value of
imperfection (peeling paint, crumbling mortar, overgrown vines,
etc.).
Money seems to be the overriding reason for most demolition (to build
newer "better" houses to sell, new shopping malls or business parks
to facilitate the exchange of money, or to funnel money from locals
to some remote Big Business). Unfortunately, as more states start to
look like each other, our personal worlds are actually getting
smaller. Why would someone bother to travel to another state if all
the states look exactly the same? So ultimately, it's bad business
for the developers to bulldoze the character (history) of a
community.
In the meantime, I'm planning a cross-country road trip for my 50th
birthday next year, and plan on going through places that still have
real character, including Tucson.

With dismay, I watched as 4 more houses went on 7th st. and Cherry.
Looked to be from the 20's-30's. More parking.
Next up, 30 more from same era may go for widening of Bdwy to EIGHT
lanes. This could take 10 years to happen but the time to act is
always (including now)
rtamobility.com is asking for comments on the plan. Based on a traffic
study done in 2004, (the numbers that I saw,) the widening from
Campbell/Euclid is not necessary. This is where the 30 or so houses
are.
It's hard to see the vanishing happen right before my eyes. Is it
always necessary? If you wish, give RTA your opinion, whatever it may
be.

El CApitan!! Yep I recognize it by the photos, is it vacant?
Went to the meeting for an hour. Of note, Starbuck will displace the
4 houses on the SE corner of Campbell and Broadway. They are from
the 50's according to Starbucks dude. They will be torn down for the
coffee house and an adjacent parking lot...-
p.s. Carlos, sorry didn't find the Eco-costa rica man. (b/c I forgot
to ask)

-- In vanishingtucson@..., "mistercopacetic"
<mistercopacetic@y...> wrote:

Hi All,

I recently saw an interesting reference to an old place called

the "El

Capitan" in our Rincon Heights Neighborhood Association Newsletter.
It intrigued me, so I attempted to figure out where it was by
following clues given by the writer. My search was fruitless.

Can anyone help? Thanks. Here is an excerpt from the column by an
author known only as "Jay The Jogger". You may need your map.



Quote: "I continued north on Highland up to Broadway. I had just a
few more avenues to go. Rounding Mountain, I was beginning to feel
more like myself. Mountain is nice and narrow and for a while I
didn't have any cars to contend with. The point at which Mountain
crosses High School Wash was a nice breath of nature in our little
neighborhood.

As I headed toward 6th, the lights were drawing me closer and closer
to...to...It's not a parking structure - It's a UFO! I could
practically see the aliens radiating towards the heavens!

A block or so later I headed south on Fremont. Then up Broadway I
weaved across to Park. I trotted down the gently sloping avenue
passing the EI Capitan on my right. Folks say movie stars such as

Jean

Harlow stayed there years ago... But I don't think Ms. Harlow was a
runner. At this point, I still had the east-west streets to contend

with.

Will Jay's old legs hold out for the remaining few miles ofhis
neighborhood marathon? Find out in the next installment of "Jay the
Jogger. " End quote.



Gretchen, have you met "Jay The Jogger"? Did you make it to the

RHNA

meeting?

Carlos

I need to refresh my memory bank.Go to the end of Ina
where this religious group of Brothers had a wellsite
and home.Non Assessable to the public.But just before
you got there was a guest ranch,big clubhouse,pool and
20+casitas.Used to be John Waynes hangout at the bar.
--- mistercopacetic <mistercopacetic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks to Kitty for the address and info. I found
it, and took a few
pictures. See folder in thr Photos section at your
left.

The El Capitan is a great example of a what used to
be quite common in
Tucson. Funky, formerly grand structures,
completely unrenovated, but
still very much in use. I believe it is places like
these that give
Tucson such wonderful character.

The El Capitan must have been a fine hotel court
before it became
casita apartments. Wonder if it has any ghosts.
I'll ask around.

Carlos

P.S. Thanks Bob, I'll try to visit the old Clark
Gable place this
weekend.

--- In vanishingtucson@..., "Kiersten
Hardesty Carrillo"
<kittykiersto1@c...> wrote:

El Capitan refers to the following:

In 1955, located at 322 N Park Ave, I located "El

Capitan

Apartments."

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--- mistercopacetic <mistercopacetic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks to Kitty for the address and info. I found
it, and took a few
pictures. See folder in thr Photos section at your
left.

The El Capitan is a great example of a what used to
be quite common in
Tucson. Funky, formerly grand structures,
completely unrenovated, but
still very much in use. I believe it is places like
these that give
Tucson such wonderful character.

The El Capitan must have been a fine hotel court
before it became
casita apartments. Wonder if it has any ghosts.
I'll ask around.

Carlos

P.S. Thanks Bob, I'll try to visit the old Clark
Gable place this
weekend.

--- In vanishingtucson@..., "Kiersten
Hardesty Carrillo"
<kittykiersto1@c...> wrote:

El Capitan refers to the following:

In 1955, located at 322 N Park Ave, I located "El

Capitan

Apartments."

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Hi All,

Thanks to Kitty for the address and info. I found it, and took a few
pictures. See folder in thr Photos section at your left.

The El Capitan is a great example of a what used to be quite common in
Tucson. Funky, formerly grand structures, completely unrenovated, but
still very much in use. I believe it is places like these that give
Tucson such wonderful character.

The El Capitan must have been a fine hotel court before it became
casita apartments. Wonder if it has any ghosts. I'll ask around.

Carlos

P.S. Thanks Bob, I'll try to visit the old Clark Gable place this
weekend.

--- In vanishingtucson@..., "Kiersten Hardesty Carrillo"
<kittykiersto1@c...> wrote:

El Capitan refers to the following:

In 1955, located at 322 N Park Ave, I located "El Capitan
Apartments."

El Capitan refers to the following:

In 1955, located at 322 N Park Ave, I located "El Capitan
Apartments."
They were owned by C T Bohun (aka: Bohen) and the phone number was
31930.
This location is listed also as his home. No tenants listed.

***

In 1959 El Capitan Court shows at 316-42 N Park Owner is R S
Eldorado
Phone AX 8-4972 (398-4972)

Tenants shown:
316 Economides Peter Thomas Economides
also lived here. No occupations listed
318 Vacant
320 Davies E L Retired
322 Wolfe J H (aka: Wolf) MA 2-0581 Salesman at
Steinfeld's
326 Springer Blanche MA 2-5221 Teacher at Cragin
Elementary School
328 Vacant
330 Schwab J H Display director
at Levy's
332 Smith Frances L MA 2-4259 No occupation listed
336 Vacant
338 Transient
340 Slover J P Armed Guide
Directory Publisher ( unknown what kind of guide)
342 Labner A B (Wife: Sarah) MA 2-6242 Asst Mgr of N 4th Ave
Fabric Shop


The personal data found for the owner;
Ross S Eldorado
Wife: Mary P
Home: 6862 Nasumpta Drive
Phone: AX 8-4972


Broadway was/is the zero point for North/South streets, so the
address of 322 N Park should be correct as of today......06-17-2005.

How bout Clark Gables house on Grant and Madelyn
Circle?South side of Grant.Still there

--- mistercopacetic <mistercopacetic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I recently saw an interesting reference to an old
place called the "El
Capitan" in our Rincon Heights Neighborhood
Association Newsletter.
It intrigued me, so I attempted to figure out where
it was by
following clues given by the writer. My search was
fruitless.

Can anyone help? Thanks. Here is an excerpt from
the column by an
author known only as "Jay The Jogger". You may need
your map.



Quote: "I continued north on Highland up to
Broadway. I had just a
few more avenues to go. Rounding Mountain, I was
beginning to feel
more like myself. Mountain is nice and narrow and
for a while I
didn't have any cars to contend with. The point at
which Mountain
crosses High School Wash was a nice breath of nature
in our little
neighborhood.

As I headed toward 6th, the lights were drawing me
closer and closer
to...to...It's not a parking structure - It's a UFO!
I could
practically see the aliens radiating towards the
heavens!

A block or so later I headed south on Fremont. Then
up Broadway I
weaved across to Park. I trotted down the gently
sloping avenue
passing the EI Capitan on my right. Folks say movie
stars such as Jean
Harlow stayed there years ago... But I don't think
Ms. Harlow was a
runner. At this point, I still had the east-west
streets to contend with.

Will Jay's old legs hold out for the remaining few
miles ofhis
neighborhood marathon? Find out in the next
installment of "Jay the
Jogger. " End quote.



Gretchen, have you met "Jay The Jogger"? Did you
make it to the RHNA
meeting?

Carlos

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Hi All,

I recently saw an interesting reference to an old place called the "El
Capitan" in our Rincon Heights Neighborhood Association Newsletter.
It intrigued me, so I attempted to figure out where it was by
following clues given by the writer. My search was fruitless.

Can anyone help? Thanks. Here is an excerpt from the column by an
author known only as "Jay The Jogger". You may need your map.



Quote: "I continued north on Highland up to Broadway. I had just a
few more avenues to go. Rounding Mountain, I was beginning to feel
more like myself. Mountain is nice and narrow and for a while I
didn't have any cars to contend with. The point at which Mountain
crosses High School Wash was a nice breath of nature in our little
neighborhood.

As I headed toward 6th, the lights were drawing me closer and closer
to...to...It's not a parking structure - It's a UFO! I could
practically see the aliens radiating towards the heavens!

A block or so later I headed south on Fremont. Then up Broadway I
weaved across to Park. I trotted down the gently sloping avenue
passing the EI Capitan on my right. Folks say movie stars such as Jean
Harlow stayed there years ago... But I don't think Ms. Harlow was a
runner. At this point, I still had the east-west streets to contend with.

Will Jay's old legs hold out for the remaining few miles ofhis
neighborhood marathon? Find out in the next installment of "Jay the
Jogger. " End quote.



Gretchen, have you met "Jay The Jogger"? Did you make it to the RHNA
meeting?

Carlos

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Hi All,

I found a wonderful picture of Boke's Drive-In. Before I posted the
photo, I drove by the location to see what's there now. It's a
parking lot.

I also found another 1940's picture of Boke's Northside location at
2408 N. Stone. That is the northeast corner of Grant and Stone, which
is not referred to as "northside" anymore. Boke's must have been
there before the service station was built, which looks like a 1950's
building.

Anyone tried their root-beer?

Computer note (need help)

Unfortunately, the Boke's Stone image is a bitmap file (.bmp).
Somehow, my computer lost it's MS Paint program, which opened bitmap
images. Does anyone know if I can reinstall just MS Paint from my
Windows 98 restoration disc, without affecting the rest of my files
and programs?

Thanks,

Carlos

Sharis still open and serving,Ads on TV from time to
time

--- "William V. Sutherland" <wvsaz@...> wrote:

Re: Shari's Drive-In:

"Does anyone know if "Shari's 1st Ave. Drive-In"
still has car-service?
How long has Shari's been there?"

In 1978, Shari's Drive-In was June's Drive-In. June
actually cooked the burgers herself. It became
Shari's a short time later. In 1978, the building
already looked quite old and worn, so it was likely
another drive-in before June had it, perhaps many
owners. It would be interesting to know just how old
it is, and what it was called when new.

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Hi All,

What a great topic! I'll look for old pictures. I added a scan of
the drive-in listings in my 1948 Tucson Business Directory. How about
those names? I love the spelling of Central Dryv-Inn (sic).
Hasty-Tasty and Polar Bar are clever. But my favorite would have to
be "One's-A-Meal" (I'd eat two).

Larry, at Duffie's, did they put candles on your heart-shaped pizza?
Did they sing too? How old were you?

Back to the present:

I know "The Crossroads" mexican restaurant on S. 4th used to have
car-service. They would actually bring a pitcher of beer out to your
car. You can still park in the spots, but I'm not sure if they'll
send a waitress out to take your order. I'm SURE they won't serve you
booze in your car.
They have a great old neon sign. Not sure if it still lights up.

Does anyone know if "Shari's 1st Ave. Drive-In" still has car-service?
How long has Shari's been there?

I may need to do some hands-on research this weekend. My mouth is
watering already.

Here's the list so far. I'm sure we can add a lot more. If you've
been actually there, please describe it. I'll eventually post the
list in the "Files" section.

Thanks,

Carlos

drive-in restaurants:

Arroyo 4900 E. Speedway

A&W on Speedway

Big Bob's

Central Dryv-Inn 1107 N. Stone

Circle Drive Inn 3802 S. 6th

Crossroads 2604 S. 4th

Dixie Drive-Inn 1019 N. Stone

"Duke's" on N Main

Duke's 1148 N. 12th

Duffie's where they gave you a pizza shaped like a heart on your birthday.

Hasty-Tasty

Johnnies on 22nd was only place open after 12:00.

"Lotaburger" on Grant

"Marco's" on Speedway, almost next door to Polar Bar

One's-A-Meal 945 N. Stone

"Pat's" on Speedway

Pat's 6th/Ajo

Pat's currently on Grande

"Polar Bar" on Speedway

Reed & Bell 19 E. Speedway

Richie's

Shari's Drive In 2650 N. First

Had to email my mom, and this is what she remembers.

Drive-ins !!!!!!!!
How about:
"A & W" on Speedway
"Polar Bar" on Speedway and almost next door on Speedway
was "Marco's"
"Pat's" on Speedway, S 6th and Ajo and now on Grande Ave.
"Lotaburger" on Grant
"Duke's" on N Main

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--- In vanishingtucson@..., "lb1940" <lb1940@y...> wrote:

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone remembers the old drive-in resturants in
Tucson? Everyone remembers Johnnies, but how about Richies,
Hasty-Tasty And Duffies where they gave you a pizza shaped like a
heart on your birthday. Does anyone remember more?

Larry

Don't forget big Bobs and Johnnies on 22nd was only place open after
12:00.

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone remembers the old drive-in resturants in
Tucson? Everyone remembers Johnnies, but how about Richies,
Hasty-Tasty And Duffies where they gave you a pizza shaped like a
heart on your birthday. Does anyone remember more?

Larry

In the early '70's a midwesterner crashed with me for a few days on
his
way to join the SLA (insurgent-fanticists and Patty Hearst
kidnappers)
California, he said he'd been inspired by the movie "The Trial of
Billy
Jack." A pal of mine was an extra in the Kent State massacre
sequence
filmed in Tucson; does anyone have producton-stills that show the
town