These guys have been rafting all morning off Derby Reach Park. I was going to write them off as Trumpeters until I spotted what appears to be yellow around the bill. I can't make a definitive call. The image is the best I can do with a Sigma 50-500 cropped.

I would appreciate the input.

TIA

Roger Craik

Maple Ridge.

On Mar 31, 2022, at 2:17 AM, Rich Wakelam <richardwakelam@...> wrote:

On the topic of the Ring-billed Gull, I wonder if consideration been given to the fact that the tracking device is known to be present in the Ukraine but that may not guarantee the bird is present, however small the odds. (device was picked up and taken by humans, bird of prey swallowed it and it’s still functioning, etc).
On the topic of Common Poorwill I have a record of discovery of one from 1987 in Coquitlam but I still don’t have one on my life list in Metro Vancouver. Found deceased roadside.
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On Mar 30, 2022, at 16:59, Paul Clapham <paul.c.clapham@...> wrote:

?And no sooner do you say that, then I have a report of just that: Common Poorwill in Manitoba, being reported although nobody saw it. Sure, I've reported Common Poorwills myself without seeing them, as have many others, but in this case nobody heard it either. It was heard by a scientific project to record grassland birds for the purpose of surveying them.

Read about it here:

The article mentions that up to that point there were no confirmed records of Common Poorwill in Manitoba but it doesn't go on to tell us whether the local bird records committee has accepted the record.

Paul Clapham
Vancouver

On Mar 31, 2022, at 1:59 AM, Paul Clapham <paul.c.clapham@...> wrote:

And no sooner do you say that, then I have a report of just that: Common Poorwill in Manitoba, being reported although nobody saw it. Sure, I've reported Common Poorwills myself without seeing them, as have many others, but in this case nobody heard it either. It was heard by a scientific project to record grassland birds for the purpose of surveying them.

Read about it here:

The article mentions that up to that point there were no confirmed records of Common Poorwill in Manitoba but it doesn't go on to tell us whether the local bird records committee has accepted the record.

Paul Clapham
Vancouver

On Mar 30, 2022, at 16:59, Paul Clapham <paul.c.clapham@...> wrote:

?And no sooner do you say that, then I have a report of just that: Common Poorwill in Manitoba, being reported although nobody saw it. Sure, I've reported Common Poorwills myself without seeing them, as have many others, but in this case nobody heard it either. It was heard by a scientific project to record grassland birds for the purpose of surveying them.

Read about it here:

The article mentions that up to that point there were no confirmed records of Common Poorwill in Manitoba but it doesn't go on to tell us whether the local bird records committee has accepted the record.

Paul Clapham
Vancouver

On Mar 29, 2022, at 12:16 AM, Wayne Weber <contopus@...> wrote:

Daniel,

When you say "does it count"?, we need to be clear about what you mean. Does
it count on anybody's life list, such as the person who was monitoring the
satellite tracking? The answer would have to be "no", because he/she did not
actually see or hear the bird.

On the other hand, if you mean "does it count" on the official list of the
country or state where the bird was recorded, I think the answer should be
"yes". As you point out, it would be up to the records committee of the area
in question, but I'm sure most records committees would accept such a
record. It would be similar to a record of a bird found freshly dead, which
had not been carried there by a motor vehicle or something. You can't count
a dead bird on your life list, but of course a records committee would
accept it.

An interesting question, as Derek said!

Good luck and good birding to all,

Wayne Weber
contopus@...





-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel
Bastaja
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 8:17 AM
To: Vanbirds
Subject: [vanbcbirds] There but unseen

A question for birders. If satellite tracking shows that a bird was in, or
flew over a country (or a province like B.C.) where the species has never
been seen before, does it count as an official record even though nobody
actually saw it? If anyone knows, your comments would be appreciated.

This is the first question that came to mind when I read this article about
a vagrant Ring-billed Gull in Europe.



Daniel Bastaja
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On Mar 28, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Perry & Charly <drchuper@...> wrote:

Another step in the ID confirmation continuum I suppose, as has arisen in “Big Year” claims: from visual ID to auditory ID of calls by experienced birders .. now to satellite confirmation!

There’s a somewhat similar situation that can arise in maritime law enforcement. In the good old days of 'Britannia ruled the waves' (and hence made the rules), a warship that encountered an intruding vessel in their national waters could pursue it out of there and around the world if need be, so long as it maintained “fresh pursuit”, which was taken to mean continuous visual contact. If the offender made it over the horizon the pursuit had to be terminated.

Then along came satellites .. could “fresh pursuit” be maintained from outer space? Not sure if that question has been resolved as yet.

Perry Edwards
North Vancouver

On Mar 28, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Derek Matthews <Derek@...> wrote:

That's a really good question Dan!

With more satellite tracking becoming available and the Motus system
expanding (motus.org), there are likely to be many more species that are
recorded but not necessarily seen in a country (or province).

Not sure the Ring-billed Gull's choice of country was a particularly good
one!

Derek Matthews

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Daniel
Bastaja
Sent: March 28, 2022 8:17 AM
To: Vanbirds <[email protected]>
Subject: [vanbcbirds] There but unseen

A question for birders. If satellite tracking shows that a bird was in, or
flew over a country (or a province like B.C.) where the species has never
been seen before, does it count as an official record even though nobody
actually saw it? If anyone knows, your comments would be appreciated.

This is the first question that came to mind when I read this article about
a vagrant Ring-billed Gull in Europe.



Daniel Bastaja
danielbastaja@...

A question for birders. If satellite tracking shows that a bird was in, or flew over a country (or a province like B.C.) where the species has never been seen before, does it count as an official record even though nobody actually saw it?  If anyone knows, your comments would be appreciated. 

This is the first question that came to mind when I read this article about a vagrant Ring-billed Gull in Europe. 



Daniel Bastaja
danielbastaja@...

On Mar 21, 2022, at 2:12 AM, Derek Matthews <derek@...> wrote:

Hi Vanbcbirders,

Quite a few people asked if I could notify them when the trip report for Argentina was done. It did take a bit longer than anticipated but is now up for anyone interested and can be viewed here:



Happy spring birding and banding!

Derek

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