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Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines

robfrankel Member Profile All Messages By This Member #1667 Moving the abortion discussion to this new thread, with a close look at Article 1 of the 14th Amendment, which I find especially interesting in its prohibition of "abridgment of privileges and immunities".? Seems to state quite literally and without context that my immunities are my own and not suject to infringement. Further, it prohibits the derivation of any person's life, liberty or property without due process of law.? That would seem to make abortion and "civil forfeiture" 100% illegal. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. What say you? -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
Cathy Larimer All Messages By This Member #1672 开云体育 “seem’ is the keyword here. ? There is no case law giving a fetus rights.? ? However and this is a big however, overturning Roe v Wade COULD lead to a Federal law which would have to eventually lead to giving a fetus rights.? I can imagine where that would lead to. ? Giving a fetus rights vs the rights of the existing human host is at odds.? Does the host have no rights? ? One line of reasoning: Are we going to jeopardize or even devalue the life of the existing human to give life to the fetus?? Going further down this path, there is nothing and will be nothing to prevent the human host being used as nothing more than a baby making factory and then disposed of when no longer productive.? That would be ultimate subjugation of women.? Fortunately for women, we seem to be headed to more of a matriarchal society that will likely prevent this from happening, at least in our lifetimes. ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 6:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [valleyredspace] Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines ? Moving the abortion discussion to this new thread, with a close look at Article 1 of the 14th Amendment, which I find especially interesting in its prohibition of "abridgment of privileges and immunities".? Seems to state quite literally and without context that my immunities are my own and not suject to infringement. Further, it prohibits the derivation of any person's life, liberty or property without due process of law.? That would seem to make abortion and "civil forfeiture" 100% illegal. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. What say you? -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
robfrankel Member Profile All Messages By This Member #1673 Um, it's the Constitution.? You don't need case law.? It IS the law. -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
David Nelson All Messages By This Member #1681 Speaking of abortion…I recently heard that Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the medical face of the original Pro-Choice movement, became Pro-Life after seeing a live, thriving baby for the first time on real-time ultrasound shortly after the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade? He also fessed up to the lies behind the pro-abortion propaganda campaign that he was a part of: ~ Dave ?
Cathy Larimer All Messages By This Member #1684 开云体育 ? Really???? How do you explain Roe v Wade in light of the last statement you just made? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 10:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines ? Um, it's the Constitution.? You don't need case law.? It IS the law. -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
robfrankel Member Profile All Messages By This Member #1687 Ah, clearly you have no legal background.??Roe v. Wade was about?privacy, not abortion.?? You really should do your research instead of perpetuating propaganda. -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
Cathy Larimer All Messages By This Member #1690 开云体育 You might be surprised. ? Yes, the case was based on privacy rights leading to the result that ”unduly restrictive state regulation of abortion is UNCONSTITUTIONAL”. ? That takes us back to my original reply to you on this subject wherein you tried to tell me the constitution was anti-abortion.? So I asked you to explain (how) Roe v Wade (could be) if the constitution is anti-abortion. ? Your answer to try to denigrate me, my knowledge, my reasoning ability or chide me as if I am one of your children is wholly inappropriate.? Why is that always the response tactic from the far right?? Can’t we discuss apples with apples instead of deflecting to personal attacks or substituting oranges for one set of the apples? ? You, I might enjoy having a more in depth dialog with but I am really pressed for time right now.? And that is usually the pace at which my life runs; my calendar is always very full. ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 6:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines ? Ah, clearly you have no legal background.??Roe v. Wade was about?privacy, not abortion.?? You really should do your research instead of perpetuating propaganda. -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
robfrankel Member Profile All Messages By This Member #1691 Nope.? Propaganda has fogged your information lens.? The?Roe decision had to do with the right of privacy and government overreach into medical records.? It had absolutely nothing to do with legalizing abortion.? It actually resulted in more abortions being performed because the government was precluded from documenting abortions in its efforts to Constitutionally protect innocent life. Also, nobody is chiding you.? I'm certainly not.? I can't do anything about your taking correction as an insult.? That's wholly on you. -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
Cathy Larimer All Messages By This Member #1692 开云体育 I don’t think so.? Sadly, I have to drop everything I am doing to rescue a 17 y.o. Pekingese whose POS owner dropped her off at Carson Shelter today to be PTS just in time for Christmas. ? To be continued; maybe tomorrow. ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines ? Nope.? Propaganda has fogged your information lens.? The?Roe decision had to do with the right of privacy and government overreach into medical records.? It had absolutely nothing to do with legalizing abortion.? It actually resulted in more abortions being performed because the government was precluded from documenting abortions in its efforts to Constitutionally protect innocent life. Also, nobody is chiding you.? I'm certainly not.? I can't do anything about your taking correction as an insult.? That's wholly on you. -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
robfrankel Member Profile All Messages By This Member #1693 Good luck to the Pekingese, another audience who simply can't talk back..... :D -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
MAGA2020 All Messages By This Member #1698 Thank you for rescuing this poor dog.? Let's not continue tomorrow. It's enough already!!! Merry Christmas.
Cathy Larimer All Messages By This Member #1702 开云体育 Finally, something we agree on.? ? Unlike LIVING humans, living ANIMALS have no rights.? They are treated as property by most states and while CA is? a little more generous than other backwards states, it’s not much of an improvement. ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines ? Good luck to the Pekingese, another audience who simply can't talk back..... :D -- ? Rob Frankel Chief Curmudgeon ?
Cathy Larimer All Messages By This Member #1703 开云体育 As you will. ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of MAGA2020 Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 2:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines ? Thank you for rescuing this poor dog.? Let's not continue tomorrow. It's enough already!!! Merry Christmas.

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