Cathy, you ask to cite a law that gives fetus these rights?? 38 states have some form of this.
Here is the link to CA.
Even Roe only allows abortion up to viability, after that, the fetus has the right to life.??
Again, please listen to the oral arguments Dobbs case, you are not making sense.??
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Oh Cathy, this is a CA issue.? You just don't understand federalism.??
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But Cathy, there already is a ban on abortions on demand after a certain point in the life of the fetus, which is generally speaking viability. If you followed the Mississippi law recently argued at the Supreme Court, the issue is at what point abortions can be banned.? The current viability standard or
at 15 weeks which is what Mississippi is arguing.? The Texas law hasn't been argued at SCOTUS yet. I recommend you listen to the entire
oral arguments and hear for yourself.? I did.??
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Yeah, I think I’ve heard of that -lol!.. But I also think that is not true.? If it were, a ban on abortion would be the law of the land – including ALL of the US. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 6:10 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Flu shots ? Yes.? It's called "the Constitution of the United States of America."? Perhaps you've heard of it?
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Thank you so much for this info. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 6:17 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Mail Theft and the USPS ? The camera/flood light unit in our front yard is a FEIT Electric Dual Head Motion Sensor, which you can get at Costco.
The device that snagged this bitch is this solar-powered sweetheart:
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On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 8:42 AM robfrankel < rob@...> wrote: Not donating to charities, only promising candidates. Just donated to Joe Kent. He's in Washington. I live in Los Angeles.
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“seem’ is the keyword here. ? There is no case law giving a fetus rights.? ? However and this is a big however, overturning Roe v Wade COULD lead to a Federal law which would have to eventually lead to giving a fetus rights.? I can imagine where that would lead to. ? Giving a fetus rights vs the rights of the existing human host is at odds.? Does the host have no rights? ? One line of reasoning: Are we going to jeopardize or even devalue the life of the existing human to give life to the fetus?? Going further down this path, there is nothing and will be nothing to prevent the human host being used as nothing more than a baby making factory and then disposed of when no longer productive.? That would be ultimate subjugation of women.? Fortunately for women, we seem to be headed to more of a matriarchal society that will likely prevent this from happening, at least in our lifetimes. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 6:34 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [valleyredspace] Life, Liberty, Abortion and Vaccines ? Moving the abortion discussion to this new thread, with a close look at Article 1 of the 14th Amendment, which I find especially interesting in its prohibition of "abridgment of privileges and immunities".? Seems to state quite literally and without context that my immunities are my own and not suject to infringement.
Further, it prohibits the derivation of any person's life, liberty or property without due process of law.? That would seem to make abortion and "civil forfeiture" 100% illegal. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Oh Scott, you are SO entertaining. ? For the last time, the thread of connectivity between abortion and vaccine mandates is YOUR BODY.? Even a ?dolt should have grasped that by now.? And once again, the point is if you can prevent a woman from having an abortion – I don’t care which state that is in – then you can likewise, enforce her taking a ?vaccine and that statement is NO indication I support that. ? You take the obvious and twist it into something it is not to fit your narrative – typical “red”.? Your attempts at belittling others is just that – your attempts.? Did Scotty grow up a widdle boy who has some need to try to make himself bigger by denigrating others?? It sure looks that way to everyone paying attention. ? Your fixation with CA has blinded you to anything beyond CA.? I understand not everyone can see the big picture or has the ?vision to see how step A leads to result B, but you are an extreme example of both.? ?Perhaps you should become a comedian. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Scott Mandell Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 9:37 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Flu shots ? Oh Cathy, any ban on abortion is not federal.? Your worst-case scenario, it reverts back to the states.
Again, you are in California, so do not fret.? California is an abortion sanctuary, just as Governor Brylcreem.?? Thrill me with your acumen and explain to us again, the thread of connectivity between abortion and vax mandates.
We love watching you beclown yourself.? Do not disappoint.??
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Oh Cathy, any ban on abortion is not federal.? Your worst-case scenario, it reverts back to the states. Again, you are in California, so do not fret.? California is an abortion sanctuary, just as Governor Brylcreem.??
Thrill me with your acumen and explain to us again, the thread of connectivity between abortion and vax mandates.
We love watching you beclown yourself.? Do not disappoint.??
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Moving the abortion discussion to this new thread, with a close look at Article 1 of the 14th Amendment, which I find especially interesting in its prohibition of "abridgment of privileges and immunities".? Seems to state quite literally and without context that my immunities are my own and not suject to infringement.
Further, it prohibits the derivation of any person's life, liberty or property without due process of law.? That would seem to make abortion and "civil forfeiture" 100% illegal.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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The camera/flood light unit in our front yard is a FEIT Electric Dual Head Motion Sensor, which you can get at Costco. The device that snagged this bitch is this solar-powered sweetheart: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0972KHGVG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details? --
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Actually, employers do NOT have the right to impose very much on their employees.? They once did, but not for decades. Ask anyone in that joke of a profession,?human resources, and they'll tell you how little an employer can legally do.
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That includes how to dress, how to act and forcing people to get jabbed.
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It seems to me EMPLOYERS have the right to impose almost anything they want with respect to their employees (within the scope of existing, current, jurisdictional labor laws). ? No one is forcing the individual person to work for a company whose policies they do not agree with, are they? ? You have to differentiate with WHO is imposing the mandate.? ??To my knowledge, the government has only imposed a vaccine mandate on their employees and sub-contractors.? As an employer, they are well within their legal rights to do so.? ? However, as the government, they have not imposed a nationwide mandate for everyone. ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Scott Mandell Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:55 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Flu shots ? Oh Cathy, you even put it in caps. "IF IT’S YOUR BODY AND NO ONE CAN TELL YOU TO TAKE A MANDATED VACCINE, THEN NO ONE CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE AN ABORTION BECAUSE IT’S. YOUR. BODY."
We are in California, no one can tell you that you cannot have an abortion because it's your body you say???We are in California, no one can tell you to take a mandated vaccine you say!? You are doubling down on your argument, in jurisdictions where abortion is legal, said jurisdictions can not impose
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Oh Cathy, you even put it in caps. "IF IT’S YOUR BODY AND NO ONE CAN TELL YOU TO TAKE A MANDATED VACCINE, THEN NO ONE CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE AN ABORTION BECAUSE IT’S. YOUR. BODY."
We are in California, no one can tell you that you cannot have an abortion because it's your body you say???We are in California, no one can tell you to take a mandated vaccine you say!? You are doubling down on your argument, in jurisdictions where abortion is legal, said jurisdictions can not impose
a vaccine mandate under the maxim "...because it's your body".??
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I’m not talking local and small picture; I’m talking Federal and big picture.? Expand your vision some. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Scott Mandell Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:55 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] Flu shots ? Oh Cathy, you even put it in caps. "IF IT’S YOUR BODY AND NO ONE CAN TELL YOU TO TAKE A MANDATED VACCINE, THEN NO ONE CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE AN ABORTION BECAUSE IT’S. YOUR. BODY."
We are in California, no one can tell you that you cannot have an abortion because it's your body you say???We are in California, no one can tell you to take a mandated vaccine you say!? You are doubling down on your argument, in jurisdictions where abortion is legal, said jurisdictions can not impose
a vaccine mandate under the maxim "...because it's your body".??
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