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Jacka2, The sway bar I put on the Chinook is made by Hellwig I bought
it through a local tire shop here that has an alignment shop and
sells suspension parts. The cost if I remember right, its been 12
years ago was around 100.00. It was a bolt on kit, no welding, or
cutting. Your 86 Sunrader with the 1 ton axle should have the
brackets on the rear axle housing for the stock toyota sway bar,
maybe the boneyard flatbed you seen still has the sway bar on it. If
not, toyota could probably get one but it would probably be spendy.

Nolan.

Where did you get sway bars?

Cost?

Were they "bolt in" or did you have to weld?

Jack A2.

86 Sunrader Pop-up.

--- In toyota-campers@..., "Benton " <wildlife@i...> wrote:

--- In toyota-campers@..., "Nolan " <rockhound@n...> wrote:

That would really help to just run a single wider wheel, those old
style duals put a lot of strain on things because of the leverage

on

the end of the axle. Theres still a lot of the old toyotas running
around with the old duals that have logged many a mile without any
problems, but the idea of never knowing when it might decide to go
its own way was the reason I bit the bullet and invested in the
bigger axle on mine. The single wheel might not have as much
stability as duals, but like my Chinook that has wide single rear
wheels the best investment I made was the addition of the rear

sway

bar. It made a world of difference in my opinion.

Nolan
Could you give me some info on the wide 6 ply tire and rim. My
Sunrader has a real wide tires on rear and it drives fine, but they
are custom and I have had no luck finding 6 ply. They are just two
ply and I am not comfortable with them.

Benton

Benton,


IMHO, You are pressing your luck on those 2ply tires.

You may have to work backwards to find the right rim/tire
combination. See what 6 ply tire sizes are out there, then
choose the 15" rim. that fits your machine. A bone yard
might be a source for rims.

Check with the Toyota dealer on correct rim sizes.

Good tire data is in the Chiltons manual ($14 at Auto zone).

Nolan's idea on the sway bar also sounds like the way to go.

Jack A2

.

I want to welcome all the new members to the group. I encourage you to make a post telling the group about yourself and your camper.
Our group is up to 23 member in just one week.
Thanks,
Nate

My dad had to replace his passenger side rear wheel bearing two years ago on vacation in the New England area. This was on his 1978 17 ft. with the 3/4 duallys and about 90,000 miles. He was able to replace the bearing, but he had to have the seal pressed on by machine. He was able to do the rest in a motel parking lot. Luckily dad is a mechanic and it only cost a day worth of vacation. We were lucky we knew it was going and we were able to get to a decent sized with part stores.

Grandpa replace the both of his bearing last summer on his 1986 21ft. 100,000 miles. One side was going so he replaced both. He has the bolted on duallys on his camper.

Fortunatly my 1986 had the rear end replaced with a new 1 ton before I purchased it. My camper has about 85,000 miles on it so I shouldn't have to worry about it for a while.

Nate

Benton, I'm not sure who makes a 6 ply tire in the size range for a
stock application on your Sunrader, would have to check with some of
the tire stores. On my Chinook, beings it has the 4WD I'm running 31-
10.50x15 6ply tires mounted on 10" wide rims. I can't remember off
hand the brand name but my folks 91 Winnabago toyota has 6 ply tires
on it and they are the stock 14" size for the toyota application.

--- In toyota-campers@..., "Nolan " <rockhound@n...> wrote:

That would really help to just run a single wider wheel, those old
style duals put a lot of strain on things because of the leverage

on

the end of the axle. Theres still a lot of the old toyotas running
around with the old duals that have logged many a mile without any
problems, but the idea of never knowing when it might decide to go
its own way was the reason I bit the bullet and invested in the
bigger axle on mine. The single wheel might not have as much
stability as duals, but like my Chinook that has wide single rear
wheels the best investment I made was the addition of the rear sway
bar. It made a world of difference in my opinion.

Nolan
Could you give me some info on the wide 6 ply tire and rim. My
Sunrader has a real wide tires on rear and it drives fine, but they
are custom and I have had no luck finding 6 ply. They are just two
ply and I am not comfortable with them.

Benton

That would really help to just run a single wider wheel, those old
style duals put a lot of strain on things because of the leverage on
the end of the axle. Theres still a lot of the old toyotas running
around with the old duals that have logged many a mile without any
problems, but the idea of never knowing when it might decide to go
its own way was the reason I bit the bullet and invested in the
bigger axle on mine. The single wheel might not have as much
stability as duals, but like my Chinook that has wide single rear
wheels the best investment I made was the addition of the rear sway
bar. It made a world of difference in my opinion.

Re: your post on Toyota bailing out in 93. That's exactly
what I guessed happened.

That 91 Winnaabgo I looked at was 23 ft long with a hitch
and a huge air-con on top. At the time, I thought it looked
like an overloaded disaster for that little Toy Chassis.

I guess the older ones with those Micky Mouse add on duals
were even worse. Now a question, Instead of putting those
welded or bolt on duals on that one bearing axle, why not
go single wheel and big set of 6 ply tires?

The extension of the arm of the axle with add on wheels is
putting tremendous extra stress on the 3/4 ton rear bearing.
So why not go back to single wheels on the older rigs?

Jack A2

Nate, From what I have been able to gather it all stemmed from the
early recall. In the early 70's when the gas crunch hit Chinook was
about the only small RV on the market. The big RV builders were
dieing because of slow sales while the little Chinooks were selling
like crazy, so everyone wanted in on the action and started building
toyota based RV's, a little bigger a bit heavier and so on till they
started having the axle problems. Most of them would try to pass the
buck and blame toyota because they built the chassis. Toyota tried to
remedy the problem by building the 1 ton chassis even though it
wasn't there problem. After the introduction of the 1 ton the DOT
mandated the recall and a lot of the coach builders went out to avoid
the cost of the recall. Now that the coach builders had a stouter
platform to build on they started building them even bigger and
heavier which started causing other problems, trans, engines, ect,
and like before the coach builders would pass the buck because Toyota
built the chassis. So by 93 to avoid the hassles and liabilities and
warranties ect, Toyota said to heck with it, let someone else have
the headaches.

I think too much liability due to the axel problems for the small companies like sunrader, huntsman, etc.

I saw a web site the other day from Australia advertising "new" toyota campers being built over there for rent. I think if you look under campers/rentals/Australia you can pull it up. You might be able to import such but I did not follow up on it - a lot of $ I'm sure. I'll just keep my 85 for now!

From: theeagle@...
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To: toyota-campers@...
Subject: [toyota-campers] New Toyota Campers
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:33:43 -0000

Does anyone know why they quit making toyota based motorhomes in 1993? Was it something to do with the rear end recall? It would be great if they would have continued making these dream machines.
I guess I'll have to keep my eye on the early 90's models, when someday way down the road I look to retire my 1986 Escaper. Then again that will problably be along time from now, toyotas seem to run forever. However, it would be nice to have the option of newer models.
Nate

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Does anyone know why they quit making toyota based motorhomes in 1993? Was it something to do with the rear end recall? It would be great if they would have continued making these dream machines.
I guess I'll have to keep my eye on the early 90's models, when someday way down the road I look to retire my 1986 Escaper. Then again that will problably be along time from now, toyotas seem to run forever. However, it would be nice to have the option of newer models.
Nate

Hi Nate, Myself I rarely start mine till spring gets here, the
Odessey is all covered up for winter, and the Chinook is sitting in
the garage with some blankets layed over it. I drained all the water
lines and blew out the lines, removed the water filters, dumped some
rv antifreeze down the sink drains, and removed the batteries, I keep
them in the garage with a trickle charger rotated around from one to
the other. Around here they gravel the roads when it gets snow or ice
and come spring your lucky to have any paint or a windshield left in
your rig.

Hi Mary,

I recently went through the selection process to get the 'perfect' camper. It took me a while to find it after I narrowed it down to a Sunrader, but I did find it, just 25 miles from my house. I paid $5900 for a '86 Sunrader, 21 feet long, with roof air, dash air, automatic transmission, power steering, power brakes, AM/FM Cassette radio, and 4 cylinder engine.... exactly what I wanted. It did have some problems that I had to fix (leaky roof vent, leaking air bag, inoperative clearance lights, etc), but I enjoy tinkering with cars so it was fun for me.

I looked at the Dolphin, Winnebago, Itasca, and Odyssey but decided on the Sunrader because of its fiberglass construction and quality work. All of the appliances worked and it seems watertight. I did replace the curtains and repainted the walls and ceiling, which made it clean and cheerful. My wife (who was not real keen on getting a motorhome) has grown to love it. She outfitted it nicely with household stuff. She especially enjoys camping in the state parks where you are right there amoung the scenery. We spent a week in the Northern California redwoods and another week in Oak Creek Canyon, just north of Sedona Arizona. We have taken several overnight trips to the beach also.

I hope you can find what you are looking for. I saw one very similar to mine on consignment at a RV lot, but they wanted $12,900 for it, but it was super nice. I think you can get a really good one for around $8000, ready to go. Good Luck.

Jack

From: "Mary Schilpp" <msclp@...>
Reply-To: toyota-campers@...
To: toyota-campers@...
Subject: [toyota-campers] Need an education on Toyota RVs
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:52:05 -0000

I had no idea that there were Toyota based RVs. I heard about this
site from the Rialta Egroup site, which I have been reading to gather
info before an RV purchase. I currently have a 1999 VW Eurovan, and
it is already in the shop getting a new transmission (at 16K miles).
I have had much better luck w/ my two previous vehicles- a 1984
Corolla, and a 91 MR2 (which I still have) The idea of a Toyota
motorhome is very intriging, since I've never had any major problems
w/ either of these vehicles. But, I assume that there are no NEW
Toyota based MH's, so what is the last year that they were produced?
I would love to have a new/almost new one, figuring there would be
fewer problems. What can I look for in terms of latest model years?
I see from previous posts that there were Chinooks, and other models.
If there might be a website where I could get this type of info,
please point me in the direction. Thank you for any help you can give
me. - Mar

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Well I took the camper out for a little drive this morning. I figured I haven't took it for a drive in a couple of weeks. It is supposed to start snowing again today here in Ohio. How often do you guys start your rigs or drive them in the winter?
nate

Hi Nate, Heck you went right by the house and didn't even wave, It's
nice country around here, been here all my life so kinda used to it
by now. Were the only state left I think that doesn't have self serve
and true the gas prices are always about the highest around, gotta
pay them gas pumper wages some how. The trip through Crater Lake area
ought to be a nice one for you. Thats some pretty country around
there. Maybe we'll pass on the road somewhere this summer.

Nolan,
I read were you live in The Dalles, Oregan area. I went through that area this summer (August). We were on I84 going eastbound. Very scenic intrerstate with the Columbia River to your left. We were on our way back to Ohio from Seattle and the coast area went through Portland seen Mt. Hood it was great. We got gas aroung The Dalles area a little higher priced and it was different having someone have to pump your gas for you. Really enjoyed the state and wish we could have spent more time there. Next summer we are planning to hit the Crater Lake area and Northern California. My 1986 escaper and my dad's 1978 toyota are ready to head west again.
Freezing in Ohio,
Nate

Thanks for all the input. I checked out the RV Online site, and sure
got to see a lot of MHs. Thanks again- Mary Schilpp

Little frosty in your neck of the woods I bet. I'm in The Dalles
Oregon right in the Columbia River gorge where they do all the wind
surfing, but not this time of year, and no I don't try it I swim like
a rock. I can't recall ever seeing a poptop Sunrader either, I would
like to see a picture of yours someday. Does the top go completly up
like the Chinook? I have seen a Toyota Sandtana tilt top that the
top only went up on one end, looks similar to the Chinook body wise
but the windows in front above the cab were just painted on to give
the illusion of windows. The trader site has quite a few toys
scattered all over the country in all price ranges, some seem high
but I think most people start out there anyways to give them some
room to dicker price wise. Every now and then one comes up that seems
to be a steal but you never know until you see it in person. I just
look and dream anyways my old toys still get the job done and when I
open the hood I can find the motor:)