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Bob,
Welcome to the group! The only place I can suggest to find info on the toyota campers floor plans and designs is rv trader website. Most of the posts have some description of the interior design of the campers. A few of the listings have photos of the interior of the campers. I come from a family of toyota camper owners and we could not be happier with the platform.

If you are looking for a combination of versatility, drivability, reliability, and effeciency the toyota is for you. The camper offers the best of both worlds. It is as easy to drive as a van and gives you most of the comforts of home. They are also easy to work on, and parts are easy to find.

My camper is a 1986 21ft. Escaper, it has the 2.4 fuel injected engine and a 5 speed manual. I get 17-20 mpg, that as good as my pick-up truck. I have the rear bath with a seperate shower. My unit has 4 burner stove with oven, microwave, tv, tv ant., fridge, double sink, AC, plently of storage, couch and chair and can sleep 4 people.
I drive the camper just about anywhere, I've drove in heavy city traffic
through the Rockies and can fit in most parking spots or campsites. However, I enjoy drive through national parks the most.

Best of luck with your search. Remember the search for the perfect toyota camper is about as fun as using it!
Nate

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year! I hope the year ahead brings us closer together as a group, sharing experiences and stories of travels in our beloved toyota campers. I wish everyone health and happiness.
Nate

Hello Bob, Were gonna have to work on you to cure this toyotaless
condition, I don't know how many were built with the full fiberglass
construction, my folks have a 91 Winnabago toyota that has a
fiberglass skin construction. Its a nice unit, decent workmanship,
and with over 60,000 miles, never a minutes problem in drivetrain or
coach. A lot of people seem to think of the toyota as a gutless,
unstable, oversized box, but from my own experience even with the old
78 I have, I can drive the speed limit with no problem, it will slow
down on the hills, slower than some, but not as slow as others, and
the average of around 15 mpg is hard to beat. Maybe if I was going to
ive in it year around I would opt for a bigger rig but until then
I'll keep my trusty old Toyota.
You might check the library for some back issues of the RV Buyers
Guide put out by Trailer Life, they had specs for the different
models and floor plans ect. Good luck

Hi Bob, welcome to the club. I saw a nifty '88 Sunrader at a RV consignment lot in Stanton CA. Let me know if you have any questions about it, or anything relating to Sunraders. I sure like mine.

Jack

From: whitedog@...
Reply-To: toyota-campers@...
To: toyota-campers@...
Subject: [toyota-campers] Intro & Question
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 03:12:17 -0000

Hi Folks,

Have pity on me. I'm Toyotaless. Seriously, I'm in the market for a
small RV sometime in the next year. I've looked around at the
Winnebago H body (LeSharo/Phasar) lines but have been scared away by
the Renault drivetrains. I've looked at the American Clipper and
like the strong club for these motor homes and the fiberglass
construction but, considering today's gas prices, I'm not sure that
what I want to do requires a Dodge 440 engine to carry everything
around. These Toyota based motorhomes seem like a more reasonable
approach to me so I am beginning to look into them more seriously.

I definitely want fiberglass construction on the coach body. From
the pictures I've seen, that seems to restrict me to a Chinook or
Sunrader. Am I missing something? Also, I'm looking for a rear
kitchen/bath type floorplan. Anyone have any suggestions? Is there
anywhere I could look to find out the floorplans that were used on
these, unfortunately, out of production motor homes?

Regards,
Bob Hupp

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Hi Folks,

Have pity on me. I'm Toyotaless. Seriously, I'm in the market for a
small RV sometime in the next year. I've looked around at the
Winnebago H body (LeSharo/Phasar) lines but have been scared away by
the Renault drivetrains. I've looked at the American Clipper and
like the strong club for these motor homes and the fiberglass
construction but, considering today's gas prices, I'm not sure that
what I want to do requires a Dodge 440 engine to carry everything
around. These Toyota based motorhomes seem like a more reasonable
approach to me so I am beginning to look into them more seriously.

I definitely want fiberglass construction on the coach body. From
the pictures I've seen, that seems to restrict me to a Chinook or
Sunrader. Am I missing something? Also, I'm looking for a rear
kitchen/bath type floorplan. Anyone have any suggestions? Is there
anywhere I could look to find out the floorplans that were used on
these, unfortunately, out of production motor homes?

Regards,
Bob Hupp

Sounds like your doing a major remodel, Once you get started on these
things it kinda snowballs and you keep finding more to do or change.
I know all to well about the amount of work and money but like you
said its fun and rewarding. Can't wait to see some pictures of your
poptop. Keep up the good work.

--- In toyota-campers@..., gpagmaclark@a... wrote:

I am unable to pull up your web site, could you please send

please.D. Clark



Hi, Which web site are you trying to find? someone on here might be
able to help you.

Nolan.

My Sunrader's pop roof spans the whole top of the
machine. When in the down position the rig looks
like a converstion van, and unless you look close
the rubber seal looks like a normal van rain gutter.

On the road it drives very firm and stable. Never
a cross wind or truck vortex problem.

The bed/table setup is on the left side. Over the
cab is storage. It too had fake windows in front,
made from contact paper. I removed them. The unit
has a side door and a huge "clam shell" back door.

Like your Chinook, this truck looks long, low and
slick. This summer I plan to spiff it and post some
Pix.

I just got it on the road this Fall after it had
a five year sleep. It was a mess. The plumbing was
split in many places (Quest). The cabin electricl
system (Battery and isolator) were shot, and every
ground was bad. All the cabin keys were lost.

Up front, the fenders were shot, water poured in
under the dash to the left front floor board and
the windshild was cracked all the way across. Only
one headlight worked, no rear anything lit up.

There was no exhaust system left. Cat, muffler
pipes were not even on the truck. All the engine
belts were shot. But I changed the oil, started
it up, and drove it 15 miles home.

I have about 3k in it now (counting purchase price,
parts my cheap labor at $10 an hour). But it has been
a fun and rewarding project, and it's one of the most
enjoyable machines I have ever owned.

Jack A2
86 Sunrader Pop Up.

Jacka2, The sway bar I put on the Chinook is made by Hellwig I bought
it through a local tire shop here that has an alignment shop and
sells suspension parts. The cost if I remember right, its been 12
years ago was around 100.00. It was a bolt on kit, no welding, or
cutting. Your 86 Sunrader with the 1 ton axle should have the
brackets on the rear axle housing for the stock toyota sway bar,
maybe the boneyard flatbed you seen still has the sway bar on it. If
not, toyota could probably get one but it would probably be spendy.

Nolan.

Where did you get sway bars?

Cost?

Were they "bolt in" or did you have to weld?

Jack A2.

86 Sunrader Pop-up.

--- In toyota-campers@..., "Benton " <wildlife@i...> wrote:

--- In toyota-campers@..., "Nolan " <rockhound@n...> wrote:

That would really help to just run a single wider wheel, those old
style duals put a lot of strain on things because of the leverage

on

the end of the axle. Theres still a lot of the old toyotas running
around with the old duals that have logged many a mile without any
problems, but the idea of never knowing when it might decide to go
its own way was the reason I bit the bullet and invested in the
bigger axle on mine. The single wheel might not have as much
stability as duals, but like my Chinook that has wide single rear
wheels the best investment I made was the addition of the rear

sway

bar. It made a world of difference in my opinion.

Nolan
Could you give me some info on the wide 6 ply tire and rim. My
Sunrader has a real wide tires on rear and it drives fine, but they
are custom and I have had no luck finding 6 ply. They are just two
ply and I am not comfortable with them.

Benton

Benton,


IMHO, You are pressing your luck on those 2ply tires.

You may have to work backwards to find the right rim/tire
combination. See what 6 ply tire sizes are out there, then
choose the 15" rim. that fits your machine. A bone yard
might be a source for rims.

Check with the Toyota dealer on correct rim sizes.

Good tire data is in the Chiltons manual ($14 at Auto zone).

Nolan's idea on the sway bar also sounds like the way to go.

Jack A2

.

I want to welcome all the new members to the group. I encourage you to make a post telling the group about yourself and your camper.
Our group is up to 23 member in just one week.
Thanks,
Nate

My dad had to replace his passenger side rear wheel bearing two years ago on vacation in the New England area. This was on his 1978 17 ft. with the 3/4 duallys and about 90,000 miles. He was able to replace the bearing, but he had to have the seal pressed on by machine. He was able to do the rest in a motel parking lot. Luckily dad is a mechanic and it only cost a day worth of vacation. We were lucky we knew it was going and we were able to get to a decent sized with part stores.

Grandpa replace the both of his bearing last summer on his 1986 21ft. 100,000 miles. One side was going so he replaced both. He has the bolted on duallys on his camper.

Fortunatly my 1986 had the rear end replaced with a new 1 ton before I purchased it. My camper has about 85,000 miles on it so I shouldn't have to worry about it for a while.

Nate

Benton, I'm not sure who makes a 6 ply tire in the size range for a
stock application on your Sunrader, would have to check with some of
the tire stores. On my Chinook, beings it has the 4WD I'm running 31-
10.50x15 6ply tires mounted on 10" wide rims. I can't remember off
hand the brand name but my folks 91 Winnabago toyota has 6 ply tires
on it and they are the stock 14" size for the toyota application.

--- In toyota-campers@..., "Nolan " <rockhound@n...> wrote:

That would really help to just run a single wider wheel, those old
style duals put a lot of strain on things because of the leverage

on

the end of the axle. Theres still a lot of the old toyotas running
around with the old duals that have logged many a mile without any
problems, but the idea of never knowing when it might decide to go
its own way was the reason I bit the bullet and invested in the
bigger axle on mine. The single wheel might not have as much
stability as duals, but like my Chinook that has wide single rear
wheels the best investment I made was the addition of the rear sway
bar. It made a world of difference in my opinion.

Nolan
Could you give me some info on the wide 6 ply tire and rim. My
Sunrader has a real wide tires on rear and it drives fine, but they
are custom and I have had no luck finding 6 ply. They are just two
ply and I am not comfortable with them.

Benton

That would really help to just run a single wider wheel, those old
style duals put a lot of strain on things because of the leverage on
the end of the axle. Theres still a lot of the old toyotas running
around with the old duals that have logged many a mile without any
problems, but the idea of never knowing when it might decide to go
its own way was the reason I bit the bullet and invested in the
bigger axle on mine. The single wheel might not have as much
stability as duals, but like my Chinook that has wide single rear
wheels the best investment I made was the addition of the rear sway
bar. It made a world of difference in my opinion.

Re: your post on Toyota bailing out in 93. That's exactly
what I guessed happened.

That 91 Winnaabgo I looked at was 23 ft long with a hitch
and a huge air-con on top. At the time, I thought it looked
like an overloaded disaster for that little Toy Chassis.

I guess the older ones with those Micky Mouse add on duals
were even worse. Now a question, Instead of putting those
welded or bolt on duals on that one bearing axle, why not
go single wheel and big set of 6 ply tires?

The extension of the arm of the axle with add on wheels is
putting tremendous extra stress on the 3/4 ton rear bearing.
So why not go back to single wheels on the older rigs?

Jack A2

Nate, From what I have been able to gather it all stemmed from the
early recall. In the early 70's when the gas crunch hit Chinook was
about the only small RV on the market. The big RV builders were
dieing because of slow sales while the little Chinooks were selling
like crazy, so everyone wanted in on the action and started building
toyota based RV's, a little bigger a bit heavier and so on till they
started having the axle problems. Most of them would try to pass the
buck and blame toyota because they built the chassis. Toyota tried to
remedy the problem by building the 1 ton chassis even though it
wasn't there problem. After the introduction of the 1 ton the DOT
mandated the recall and a lot of the coach builders went out to avoid
the cost of the recall. Now that the coach builders had a stouter
platform to build on they started building them even bigger and
heavier which started causing other problems, trans, engines, ect,
and like before the coach builders would pass the buck because Toyota
built the chassis. So by 93 to avoid the hassles and liabilities and
warranties ect, Toyota said to heck with it, let someone else have
the headaches.

I think too much liability due to the axel problems for the small companies like sunrader, huntsman, etc.

I saw a web site the other day from Australia advertising "new" toyota campers being built over there for rent. I think if you look under campers/rentals/Australia you can pull it up. You might be able to import such but I did not follow up on it - a lot of $ I'm sure. I'll just keep my 85 for now!

From: theeagle@...
Reply-To: toyota-campers@...
To: toyota-campers@...
Subject: [toyota-campers] New Toyota Campers
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:33:43 -0000

Does anyone know why they quit making toyota based motorhomes in 1993? Was it something to do with the rear end recall? It would be great if they would have continued making these dream machines.
I guess I'll have to keep my eye on the early 90's models, when someday way down the road I look to retire my 1986 Escaper. Then again that will problably be along time from now, toyotas seem to run forever. However, it would be nice to have the option of newer models.
Nate

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