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"My rule of thumb, if your experience is different to the majority of other peoples, figure out what you are doing wrong."
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On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 02:51 AM, Jim Shorney wrote:
The bottom line is that this confirms the arguments I put forward at the beginning of my post.
Regards, Martin
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I have upgraded firmware in my Ultra no fewer than 61 times since purchase with no issues. I do not know the infant mortality rate of the Ultra but it seems quite low. Every product ever manufactured can have out of box failures but I would sooner suspect a Windows or computer hardware issue. On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 01:07:53 -0700 "Pimpersivius via groups.io" <Digiswiss@...> wrote: So there is now a new firmware version with which the waterfall supposedly works, but you can't install it.
The bottom line is that this confirms the arguments I put forward at the beginning of my post. -- 73 -Jim NU0C
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 10:18 AM, RdWing wrote:
I update the firmware every release ... with no issues.
... the bottom line is that skills matter.
I update with each of Erik's commits to his repo simply using the three magic spells: git pullmakemake flash
Every now and then I try a few SW hacks of my own, which can also break the system, no problem, revert and download a new version. The tinySA (as well as the NanoVNA) are as rock-solid and "unbrickable" as few other ?C gadgets, nice hacker toys. Just my 2 ?
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As another stated so succinctly, "We can't do (a)n(y)thing?for the (lack) of skill...."
I update the firmware every release and have since the TinySA Ultra was released with no issues. It feels like you want us to spoon feed you; the bottom line is that skills matter. Try .
This is the basic problem solving 101 approach. Identify things that block you reaching your goal. Then for each of those things learn how to unblock your quest or why you cannot achieve what you want. In this case you need information. So craft a useful set of search terms. And learn, pulling what you need from the stuff you don't need.
Just another suggestion, extra narrow extra small font is nearly impossible to read, even for these young eyes on this huge 38" display.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 1:07?AM Pimpersivius via <Digiswiss= [email protected]> wrote: In another post, the developer said that the waterfall works with the new firmware. Well, I wanted to try it out straight away.
/g/tinysa/topic/new_fw_release_waterfall_and/106962452
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Especially when the user in this post said that the STM32 CubeProgrammer now works perfectly with the current new version.
/g/tinysa/topic/stm32cubeprogrammer_v2_17/107036107
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Now I tried to connect the TinySA Ultra to the computer via USB, as I did with the first firmware update. Unfortunately, that didn't work. No matter which cable or port I used, the TinySA Ultra was not recognized by the software.
Even Windows was unable to restore the previous driver.
So there is now a new firmware version with which the waterfall supposedly works, but you can't install it.
The bottom line is that this confirms the arguments I put forward at the beginning of my post.
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In another post, the developer said that the waterfall works with the new firmware. Well, I wanted to try it out straight away.
/g/tinysa/topic/new_fw_release_waterfall_and/106962452
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Especially when the user in this post said that the STM32 CubeProgrammer now works perfectly with the current new version.
/g/tinysa/topic/stm32cubeprogrammer_v2_17/107036107
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Now I tried to connect the TinySA Ultra to the computer via USB, as I did with the first firmware update. Unfortunately, that didn't work. No matter which cable or port I used, the TinySA Ultra was not recognized by the software.
Even Windows was unable to restore the previous driver.
So there is now a new firmware version with which the waterfall supposedly works, but you can't install it.
The bottom line is that this confirms the arguments I put forward at the beginning of my post.
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Yes it does work here with firmware 1.417. Attached is a screen shot of the screen screen shot. However it does take some time to populate and you may need a manual refresh as someone else suggested. It seems to me that this is not the best way to do this. Generating a waterfall takes a lot of resources and it would not surprise me if it does not work well with the screen shot. The best way to do it wold be directly in the PC software but that option is not very common. I suspect that the people who create the PC softwares are more interested in detailed measurements and a waterfall is mostly eye candy in that context. 73 -Jim NU0C On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:03:44 -0700 "Pimpersivius via groups.io" <Digiswiss@...> wrote: How about the waterfall? Does it work on your computer?
With me under W11 you can see practically nothing. The mode can be switched on and the display changes, but you can only see 3 pixels wide of the waterfall itself. So the function is practically useless.
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 With 1.4170 the current actual FW autorefresh doesn't work in waterfall and bignumber, you can help it by refresh by hand (turning of autorefresh first). Does this help?
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With the FW v.159 and while in Auto Refresh:
- Waterfall works correctly.
- BIG NUMBER only works correctly when you also press a Refresh manual
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Weird, Please supply a screen capture to demonstrate how this fails as this is what I get  Big numer does indeed not work. --
Designer of the tinySA
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Yes the waterfall doesn't work well neither does the BigNumber on the Ultra via the remote screen on W10.
This might be a bug in Ultra's FW as the tinySA basic works fine.
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How about the waterfall? Does it work on your computer?
With me under W11 you can see practically nothing. The mode can be switched on and the display changes, but you can only see 3 pixels wide of the waterfall itself. So the function is practically useless.
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With a little work and learning how to map Linux devices to COM ports I was able to get the current version for Windows to run under Wine on Ubuntu 22.04.
Bob Ruth
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-------- Original message -------- From: Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> Date: 6/28/24 8:45 PM (GMT-06:00) Subject: Re: [tinysa] Far below expectations.
Look here: /g/tinysa/message/16995 On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 09:27:17 -0500 "sailingto via groups.io" <sailingtoo@...> wrote: > I'm looking for a Linux version of software for the TinySA to use - maybe I > just need to look more. -- 73 -Jim NU0C
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Look here: /g/tinysa/message/16995On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 09:27:17 -0500 "sailingto via groups.io" <sailingtoo@...> wrote: I'm looking for a Linux version of software for the TinySA to use - maybe I
just need to look more. -- 73 -Jim NU0C
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I also have the Tiny SA app v 1.1.20.1 running on widows 10, with my Tiny SA. I have the same issues however and though disappointing, I fortunately do not require PC control.
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "daniel grafflin via groups.io" <dgrafflin@...> To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [tinysa] Far below expectations. Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 05:36:37 -0700 Hi. I have the Tiny SA Ultra. It is no match for my Agilent, but it does tell me the same information. It isnt perfect or professional grade, but for the price, it is more than acceptable. I have the Tiny SA app v 1.1.20.1 running on widows 10 pro an have no issues. It works as describe in the guides. I also have QtTiny SA v0.10.6, and likwise no problems at all. I rather like this app over the other, I have used all the features and functions that I generally use, so far from everything. Sorry to hear of your perspective.
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Yes, I never did find the **** who transmitted up the tracking generator on the one I used - only, ?1000 I wish!
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 05:40 PM, W0LEV wrote:
HP
HP - HIGHEST PRICE as we called them. Nice gear but stupid cost of repairs. Pop the front end of one and that's $1000 just for an input FET. Maybe that's why they've had several name changes just to get rid of the highest price moniker ;-) 73 de Andy
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 06:54 PM, Martin wrote:
The TinySA, especially the Ultra version, is capable of near lab grade performance, and during my professional career I have carried kit weighing >30kg that didn't perform as well.
Totally agree, and the user interface is far better than an Anritsu ;-) 73 de Andy
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 04:05 PM, Stan Dye wrote:
It seems you misunderstand this software.?
I would agree, I think there has been a misunderstanding about what the software does and how it is to be used. The TinySA, especially the Ultra version, is capable of near lab grade performance, and during my professional career I have carried kit weighing >30kg that didn't perform as well. My rule of thumb, if your experience is different to the majority of other peoples, figure out what you are doing wrong. Then, if you are still convinced something is wrong, try asking. The first part usually saves embarrassment during the second part. Regards, Martin
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Hey, guys and gals, let's get real, here!? The creators of both the TinySAs and NanoVNAs have given both amateurs and some professionals several highly capable instruments.? Sure, they don't fill the bill of those costing 100X (or more) the price, but that is not the market nor capability at which they are aimed.??
Personally, I have a number of SAs and several VNAs of professional grade (one of the advantages of once having worked for HP - the "pre-Carley" HP).? But most of the time, I find the inexpensive equipment which we are only recently given are more than adequate for my purposes.? THANK YOU, to those who made these available at a highly competitive price point!!? I do not believe we have any excuse what-so-ever to complain about their capabilities.? After all, how many of us could even dream of owning a good spectrum analyzer or vector network analyzer.? Likely none of us.? So, pick on the SW, not the HW.?
Long ago and far away while sitting in front of the HP 8566 and
eventually teaching others how to use it, I wished? like crazy I could own one.? The
price point was well beyond my means as it was for most engineers using
it.? Well, now we have 95% of the capabilities of that instrument at our fingertips.?
And......!!.......it's affordable.
Let's be thankful for what we are given at a very reasonable price.
Dave - W?LEV
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 10:14?AM Wander Lucio via <wanderlg= [email protected]> wrote: In contrast to you, I am extremely grateful that a spectrum analyzer (SA) as affordable and efficient as the TinySA Ultra exists. As for computer software, I can't comment as I don't use it. The TinySA Ultra already has a large screen and suits my needs perfectly. I hope you're not comparing the lowly TinySA to a high priced SA, as that wouldn't be a fair comparison.
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