Re: Attenuation for microphone check
Not sure what your exact intention is with a “mic check” (this could be one of several things) – however, one thing that comes to mind is to consider transmitting into a dummy load and then putting the TinySA antenna near the coax.
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Steve, KW4H
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I want to check the response of an Astatic D104 microphone through my Kenwood hybrid. I can only output ~100 watts with the hybrid and cannot dial down the power without a modification. I would like to run a mic check into the TinySA but
100 watts will blow it to bits. Has anyone tried this or calculated how much attenuation is needed?
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Dennis NS8H
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Attenuation for microphone check
I want to check the response of an Astatic D104 microphone through my Kenwood hybrid. I can only output ~100 watts with the hybrid and cannot dial down the power without a modification. I would like to run a mic check into the TinySA but 100 watts will blow it to bits. Has anyone tried this or calculated how much attenuation is needed?
Thanks - Dennis -- Dennis NS8H
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
#tinysa
It's not so much that people are cheap. The clones are not significantly less expensive than buying a genuine tinySA from the Zeenko store on Alibaba or Ali Express, or from R&L in the US. They are a bit cheaper than buying from Eleshop (Europe) or Mirfield (UK). It's more that they are impatient; it can take weeks to receive one through the Zeenko?store unless you're willing to pay a high shipping fee, and the authorized resellers are often out of stock. The official store is also sometimes out of stock.
So people try to buy them from eBay or Amazon sellers because they can get them faster. And occasionally somebody sells authentic tinySA there. But you're far more likely to get a clone.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:53 PM Jim Shorney < jshorney@...> wrote:
I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :)? Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone.
73
-Jim
NU0C
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700
"Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote:
> PRESS RELEASE
> For immediate release
> Release date: 03/12/2021
> FAKE NEWS
> HUMOR
>
> A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas
> Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes
> potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They
> identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the
> hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings
> are published in the February issue of QST magazine.
>
> Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that
> involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around
> neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how
> small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio
> Amateur:
>
> Amount Spent Pain level
> =================================================================================
> $00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
> $03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a
> replacement
>? ? ? ? ? ?for less.
> $05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
>? ? ? ? ? ?replacement items.
> $10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being
> drawn up.
> $20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
>? ? ? ? ? ?devices.
> Table 1
>
> A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a
> replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the
> process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for
> the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur
> Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness
> Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to
> the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases,
> observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:
>
>? ? ? 1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is
> spending any money".
>? ? ? 2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that
> thing, and I'm not giving it away".
> Table 2
>
> The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the
> first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning
> center of the brain.
>
> Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene
> JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4,
> and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted
> these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.
>
> In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was
> actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this
> disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur
> Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio
> population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne
> transmission are becoming apparent.
>
> Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and
> cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were
> some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make
> statements such as:
>
>? ? ? 1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
>? ? ? 2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
>? ? ? 3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it
> for half that.
>? ? ? 4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
> Table 3
>
> The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this
> sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a
> single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.
>
>
>
> On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
> > Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform
> > themselves about the tinysA
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------
> > For more info on the tinySA go to
> >? ?
> 73,
> Dave,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
#tinysa
Jim,
That is how it starts... Good luck! :)
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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On 8/23/21 5:53 PM, Jim Shorney wrote: I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :) Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone.
73
-Jim
NU0C
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700
"Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote:
PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release
Release date: 03/12/2021
FAKE NEWS
HUMOR
A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas
Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes
potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They
identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the
hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings
are published in the February issue of QST magazine.
Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that
involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around
neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how
small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio
Amateur:
Amount Spent Pain level
=================================================================================
$00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
$03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a
replacement
for less.
$05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
replacement items.
$10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being
drawn up.
$20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
devices.
Table 1
A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a
replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the
process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for
the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur
Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness
Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to
the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases,
observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:
1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is
spending any money".
2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that
thing, and I'm not giving it away".
Table 2
The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the
first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning
center of the brain.
Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene
JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4,
and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted
these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.
In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was
actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this
disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur
Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio
population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne
transmission are becoming apparent.
Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and
cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were
some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make
statements such as:
1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it
for half that.
4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
Table 3
The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this
sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a
single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.
On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform
themselves about the tinysA
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For more info on the tinySA go to
73,
Dave,
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
Thanks. ?The supplier was R&L. ?They’re good people, I’ll contact them. ?Unfortunately this will be the second exchange, because the first one had display problems (dark spots on the right side of the screen). ?
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It does look like we made it, but the attenuator is broken, we suggest you contact your supplier for a new tinySA. we will provide the supplier with a new tinySA host.
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
It does look like we made it, but the attenuator is broken, we suggest you contact your supplier for a new tinySA. we will provide the supplier with a new tinySA host.
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
#tinysa
I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :) Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone. 73 -Jim NU0C On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700 "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote: PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release
Release date: 03/12/2021
FAKE NEWS
HUMOR
A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas
Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes
potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They
identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the
hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings
are published in the February issue of QST magazine.
Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that
involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around
neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how
small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio
Amateur:
Amount Spent Pain level
=================================================================================
$00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
$03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a
replacement
for less.
$05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
replacement items.
$10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being
drawn up.
$20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
devices.
Table 1
A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a
replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the
process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for
the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur
Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness
Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to
the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases,
observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:
1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is
spending any money".
2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that
thing, and I'm not giving it away".
Table 2
The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the
first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning
center of the brain.
Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene
JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4,
and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted
these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.
In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was
actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this
disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur
Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio
population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne
transmission are becoming apparent.
Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and
cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were
some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make
statements such as:
1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it
for half that.
4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
Table 3
The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this
sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a
single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.
On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform
themselves about the tinysA
--
------------------------------------------
For more info on the tinySA go to
73,
Dave,
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
Front and PCB:
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Can you provide further pictures of the front and internal PCB?
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
Can you provide further pictures of the front and internal PCB?
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My TinySA doesn't do the attenuator test. All other tests pass OK. Older versions work fine.
Bobby/N4AU
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
Hi,
?
Here is a photo of the back of the unit, and of the failure.
?
?
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Can you provide?the pictures of the back and the failed self-test?
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
Can you provide?the pictures of the back and the failed self-test?
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
I upgraded, ran the self-test, and got an “attenuator fail”.? Ran the self-test more than once.?
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Try updating the firmware and running the self-test.? Clones will fail.
Roger
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
Try updating the firmware and running the self-test.? Clones will fail.
Roger
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Hi – I just received a TinySA from a vendor listed as legit.? On the back of the unit, for the serial number, is just says “SA-“ and then nothing after that.? Just checking to make sure that this isn’t a clone.
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Thanks – Steve, KW4H
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
#tinysa
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 06:19 PM, John wrote:
Antennas and feed systems don't have flashing lights, fancy colourful displays and knobs, plus the "Oh Wow" factor missing.
We have a TV/comms tower on the nearby hill with some nice bright red flashy lights scattered up it, helps stop the hairplanes bumping into it. They've also been known to sometimes attach powerful lasers to it as well purely to make pretty colourful night light lines going far across the sky (tends to upset the local home based astronomers though).
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Thanks! That is what I was looking for!
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Not sure if this helps but, according to an app installed on my phone, anything above -90dBm is regarded as good, above -97dBm as marginal, above -102dBm as poor with -110dBm as the cut of as unreadable.
I think that's what the OP was asking...
John G0GCD
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
#tinysa
Steve and all,
You make a good point but...
Antennas and feed systems don't have flashing lights, fancy colourful displays and knobs, plus the "Oh Wow" factor missing.
John VE7KKQ
It's an epidemic in the ham community and has been for decades.? An antenna, and the line that connects it, is the heart of a ham station.? I'd much rather run an old hand-me-down rig with a properly installed antenna than a multi-thousand dollar rig and a garbage antenna or feedline.? And the antenna doesn't have to be BIG -- it just needs to be installed RIGHT.
Steve, KW4H
Tucson, AZ
?On 8/23/21, 9:19 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave (NK7Z)" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? or reuse a PL259...
? ? 73, and thanks,
? ? Dave (NK7Z)
? ?
? ? ARRL Volunteer Examiner
? ? ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
? ? ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
? ? On 8/23/21 8:49 AM, M0PWX wrote:
? ? > Gets worse,
? ? >
? ? > They spend thousand on a rig, mega bucks on antenna and tower, then feed
? ? > it with a 30 year old RG58 from their scrap box then moan everything is
? ? > rubbish
? ? >
? ? > 73
? ? >
? ? > Peter
? ? >
? ? > M0PWX
? ? >
? ? > Sent from Mail <> for Windows
? ? >
? ? > *From: *Martin via
? ? > *Sent: *23 August 2021 15:05
? ? >
? ? > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:
? ? >
? ? >? ? ?The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in
? ? >? ? ?this sadly debilitating disease
? ? >
? ? > Yeh, like spending thousands on a new radio, but still using the
? ? > cheapest bit of wet string available as the antenna.
? ? >
? ? > Regards,
? ? >
? ? > Martin
? ? >
? ? >
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Hi Erik,
The new FW update is okay as far as I can see.
Calibration goes fine.
Thanks, 73 Wim.
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Shirley Dulcey KE1L
Jim Shorney
Roger Need