Re: Can't update firmware
I just tried both apps on my wife's laptop with the same failed
results, so it must be the tinySA itself. Is there a way to reset it
to factory settings? I saw something like that in the TinySA app,
but after it asked me twice if I was SURE, I chickened out.
On 8/25/2021 8:45 PM, Terry Perdue
wrote:
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I'm not sure I understand that, but I should mention that I see
that when using the tinySA app, it automatically puts the
device in DFU mode. That works. But as you can see, it appears to
be unable to 'open' the device to write the file to it. I've tried
many times.
On 8/25/2021 8:04 PM, Ted Chesley
wrote:
Hey Terry, also forgot to add: you must be connected to the
TinySA app before you can use the upgrade. I think that's the
case but I haven't tried it? before connection.?
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From: "Terry Perdue"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 7:05:52PM
Subject: Re: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
? I don¡¯t see anything in the upgrade document
about renaming any file. Can you elaborate?
On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Larry Acklin <acklin@...>
wrote:
?
I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit
of a PITA but figured it out. You need to follow
the how to and also rename the file to what the
batch file expects. It¡¯s a DOS based process but
mine is running latest and works- passes self test
and Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA
as a usb device- running zadig helped get it
recognized. ?
Good Luck?
Larry?
KB3CUF?
On Wed, Aug 25,
2021 at 7:25 PM <K8tp@...>
wrote:
I've
downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it
running, I connect the TinySA and put it in DFU
mode, but the application doesn't find it. If
it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and
can't figure out what I could be doing wrong.
Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new .DFU
file, the application reports that the file
doesn't have the correct format. Seems I have
two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
I'm not sure I understand that, but I should mention that I see that
when using the tinySA app, it automatically puts the device
in DFU mode. That works. But as you can see, it appears to be unable
to 'open' the device to write the file to it. I've tried many times.
On 8/25/2021 8:04 PM, Ted Chesley
wrote:
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Hey Terry, also forgot to add: you must be connected to the TinySA
app before you can use the upgrade. I think that's the case but I
haven't tried it? before connection.?
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From: "Terry Perdue"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 7:05:52PM
Subject: Re: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
?
I don¡¯t see anything in the upgrade document about renaming
any
file. Can you elaborate?
On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Larry Acklin
<acklin@...> wrote:
?
I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit of
a
PITA but figured it out. You need to follow the how
to and also
rename the file to what the batch file expects. It¡¯s
a DOS based
process but mine is running latest and works- passes
self test and
Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA as
a
usb device- running zadig helped get it recognized.
?
Good Luck?
Larry?
KB3CUF?
On Wed, Aug 25,
2021 at 7:25 PM
<K8tp@...>
wrote:
I've
downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it
running, I
connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the
application
doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter
DFU mode I get the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't
figure out what I
could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and
select the new
.DFU file, the application reports that the file
doesn't have the
correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 18:57:58 -0700 "Terry Perdue" <K8tp@...> wrote: the Upload Firmware line shows four
cryptic choices, like '1-of-11 H LSI' The three cryptic choices are versions of NanoVNA firmware that were included in the original version of the program written for the NanoVNA. Ignore them. The "Leave DFU" and "Clear" buttons should be self explanatory. 73 -Jim NU0C
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Re: Can't update firmware
Thanks, that got me closer. I found that when thought I copied the
firmware file, I actually copied the link to the file,
hence the .URL. Using the .dfu file you supplied I followed your
step-by-step, and it still fails, with this display:
On 8/25/2021 7:59 PM, Ted Chesley
wrote:
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Hi Terry, see attached, re: TinySA update with TinySA app. maybe
it will help. Not a complicated process. The application does it
all. if you follow the steps attached. You need to have the
correct .dfu file downloaded from the site. I have attached it as
well (latest ver 1.3.317). Just copy to a file on the computer
that you can browse to when the program requests it. Remember, as
soon as you click on the file it will update and you can track the
progress (which is just a few seconds) in the test block.?
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From: "Terry Perdue"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 7:05:52PM
Subject: Re: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
?
I don¡¯t see anything in the upgrade document about renaming
any
file. Can you elaborate?
On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Larry Acklin
<acklin@...> wrote:
?
I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit
of a
PITA but figured it out. You need to follow the
how to and also
rename the file to what the batch file expects.
It¡¯s a DOS based
process but mine is running latest and works-
passes self test and
Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA
as a
usb device- running zadig helped get it
recognized. ?
Good Luck?
Larry?
KB3CUF?
On Wed, Aug 25,
2021 at 7:25 PM
<K8tp@...>
wrote:
I've
downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it
running, I
connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but
the application
doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter
DFU mode I get the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and
can't figure out what I
could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE
and select the new
.DFU file, the application reports that the file
doesn't have the
correct format. Seems I have two different
issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
Dfu util is an alternative method, using a .bin file which name must match what is expected in the batch file that is run.?
The batch file calls dfu-util with the correct ¡°switches¡± and the .bin is uploaded.?
Fussy.?
Larry
Hey Terry, also forgot to add: you must be connected to the TinySA app before you can use the upgrade. I think that's the case but I haven't tried it? before connection.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Terry Perdue" To: [email protected]Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 7:05:52PM Subject: Re: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
?
I don¡¯t see anything in the upgrade document about renaming any
file. Can you elaborate?
On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Larry Acklin
<acklin@...> wrote:
?
I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit of a
PITA but figured it out. You need to follow the how to and also
rename the file to what the batch file expects. It¡¯s a DOS based
process but mine is running latest and works- passes self test and
Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA as a
usb device- running zadig helped get it recognized. ?
Good Luck?
Larry?
KB3CUF?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:25 PM
<K8tp@...>
wrote:
I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I
connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application
doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out what I
could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new
.DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have the
correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
Hey Terry, also forgot to add: you must be connected to the TinySA app before you can use the upgrade. I think that's the case but I haven't tried it? before connection.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Terry Perdue" To: [email protected]Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 7:05:52PM Subject: Re: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
?
I don¡¯t see anything in the upgrade document about renaming any
file. Can you elaborate?
On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Larry Acklin
<acklin@...> wrote:
?
I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit of a
PITA but figured it out. You need to follow the how to and also
rename the file to what the batch file expects. It¡¯s a DOS based
process but mine is running latest and works- passes self test and
Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA as a
usb device- running zadig helped get it recognized. ?
Good Luck?
Larry?
KB3CUF?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:25 PM
<K8tp@...>
wrote:
I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I
connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application
doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out what I
could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new
.DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have the
correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
Hi Terry, see attached, re: TinySA update with TinySA app. maybe it will help. Not a complicated process. The application does it all. if you follow the steps attached. You need to have the correct .dfu file downloaded from the site. I have attached it as well (latest ver 1.3.317). Just copy to a file on the computer that you can browse to when the program requests it. Remember, as soon as you click on the file it will update and you can track the progress (which is just a few seconds) in the test block.?
----------------------------------------- From: "Terry Perdue" To: [email protected]Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 7:05:52PM Subject: Re: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
?
I don¡¯t see anything in the upgrade document about renaming any
file. Can you elaborate?
On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Larry Acklin
<acklin@...> wrote:
?
I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit of a
PITA but figured it out. You need to follow the how to and also
rename the file to what the batch file expects. It¡¯s a DOS based
process but mine is running latest and works- passes self test and
Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA as a
usb device- running zadig helped get it recognized. ?
Good Luck?
Larry?
KB3CUF?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:25 PM
<K8tp@...>
wrote:
I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I
connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application
doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out what I
could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new
.DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have the
correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
? I don¡¯t see anything in the upgrade document about renaming any file. Can you elaborate?
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On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Larry Acklin <acklin@...> wrote:
? I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit of a PITA but figured it out. You need to follow the how to and also rename the file to what the batch file expects. It¡¯s a DOS based process but mine is running latest and works- passes self test and Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA as a usb device- running zadig helped get it recognized. ?
Good Luck? Larry? KB3CUF? On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:25 PM < K8tp@...> wrote: I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the 'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out what I could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new .DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have the correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
dfusedemo.exe is definitely not working for me. I just tried the
'Upload' function in the tinySA app, and it's certainly not
intuitive. For example, it says to 'press the Open Folder button
above this memo...', but there is no such button. When I put the
TinySA in DFU mode, the DFU Device line fills in with
'Port_#0007.Hub...', so it's apparently seeing the device, but the
Upload Firmware line shows four cryptic choices, like '1-of-11 H
LSI'. If I click the folder icon there, and then select the DFU file
that I saved on my desktop (tinySA_v1.3-317-g9d82970.dfu), it adds
.url to the filename. If I then click 'Open', I get an error message
saying the file is too small to be valid. Does any of this make
sense to you?
I also have a SARK-110, and have never had any trouble upgrading it.
I just copy the new .dfu file to it, hold a button down at power-up,
and it's done. Why does this have to be so difficult? (I'm sure
there's a good reason!)
I appreciate your help, and Larry's too. (I ran zadig, but it didn't
help.)
On 8/25/2021 5:04 PM, Ted Chesley
wrote:
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Hey Terry, I just upgraded two Tiny SA's (one older and one the
newer version) to FW 1.3.317 with no problems. I did it this time
with the TinySA-app using the applications built in upgrade
function. Smoother that the DFUdemo. However, for previous
versions I have used DFUdemo, also with no issues. If you aren't
using TinySA-App (available at (), but are
using the DFUdemo program, be sure you are using the "Upgrade"
section, NOT the "Upload" section and have the correct .dfu file
selected (can be found on the site above).?
I also believe that I did run into a recognition issue, a
while back,with the DFUdemo program seeing the device with
either the TinySA or the NanoVNA. I had to either connect the
device first, switch to DFU mode, then fire up the DFUdemo
program for it to see it. But if you can connect the TinySA to
the PC (assuming you are using a PC), and it shows up in device
manager under the COM ports, when you switch to DFU mode, the
COM port drops and it shows up in?USB Serial Devices.
I'm sure some of the other guys on here will also respond
with good suggestions...Good Luck....Ted (KD7AQO)
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From: K8tp@...
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 4:25:28PM
Subject: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I
connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application
doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get
the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out
what I
could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new
.DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have
the
correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
I had the same issues. I used dfu-util, a bit of a PITA but figured it out. You need to follow the how to and also rename the file to what the batch file expects. It¡¯s a DOS based process but mine is running latest and works- passes self test and Cal.?
And Windows 10 needed to recognize the tinySA as a usb device- running zadig helped get it recognized. ?
Good Luck? Larry? KB3CUF?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:25 PM < K8tp@...> wrote: I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the 'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out what I could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new .DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have the correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Can't update firmware
Hey Terry, I just upgraded two Tiny SA's (one older and one the newer version) to FW 1.3.317 with no problems. I did it this time with the TinySA-app using the applications built in upgrade function. Smoother that the DFUdemo. However, for previous versions I have used DFUdemo, also with no issues. If you aren't using TinySA-App (available at (), but are using the DFUdemo program, be sure you are using the "Upgrade" section, NOT the "Upload" section and have the correct .dfu file selected (can be found on the site above).?
I also believe that I did run into a recognition issue, a while back,with the DFUdemo program seeing the device with either the TinySA or the NanoVNA. I had to either connect the device first, switch to DFU mode, then fire up the DFUdemo program for it to see it. But if you can connect the TinySA to the PC (assuming you are using a PC), and it shows up in device manager under the COM ports, when you switch to DFU mode, the COM port drops and it shows up in?USB Serial Devices.
I'm sure some of the other guys on here will also respond with good suggestions...Good Luck....Ted (KD7AQO) ----------------------------------------- From: K8tp@... To: [email protected]Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 25 2021 4:25:28PM Subject: [tinysa] Can't update firmware
I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I
connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application
doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the
'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out what I
could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new
.DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have the
correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
|
I've downloaded dfusedemo, version 3.0.6. With it running, I connect the TinySA and put it in DFU mode, but the application doesn't find it. If it's any help, when I enter DFU mode I get the 'USB disconnect' sound.
I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos, and can't figure out what I could be doing wrong. Also, if I click CHOOSE and select the new .DFU file, the application reports that the file doesn't have the correct format. Seems I have two different issues.
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Re: Attenuation for microphone check
Thank you all for the replies, especially the links in the wiki that I did not realize was populated. We designed a replacement pre-amp for the D104 roughly based on W2AEW's preamp. It contains op-amps and two variable caps to set the bass and treble roll-offs. I want to check the output of the microphone as I adjust the pots.
--
Dennis NS8H
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Re: Attenuation for microphone check
...and by take the antenna off I am referring to the one on the Tiny SA, NOT the radio!? Hopefully you knew that.
:)
S
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Re: Attenuation for microphone check
Just put it near the radio.? There should be plenty of leakage to tickle the SA.? Be sure to set the SA for the audio range only if you are looking at modulation. If you want to test the microphone you would do that direct, not using the RF out of the radio.? You will still need a pad and possibly a DC blocking cap depending on who set up the mic. (It shouldn't have DC voltage on the wiring but do you know for sure it was wired correctly by a competent person?)
Take the antenna off initially and use input 1 to see the radio modulation.? You can measure it effectively without it being hooked up but you can see if you have a working mic and should see a decent audio spectrum this way.
S.
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
#tinysa
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 12:42 AM, KE7AZ wrote:
I¡¯d love to help with the research. Where can I send $3.00?
Hello Logan, Go to: The last chapter is "Donations". Click on the link "donating". 73, Rudi DL5FA
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Re: Attenuation for microphone check
You control power level with the mic gain control or the level of your audio source. However you will still want the safety factor of an attenuator or air-gapped dummy load. 73 -Jim NU0C On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 11:15:19 -0400 "Dennis Shubitowski" <Shubitowski@...> wrote: I want to check the response of an Astatic D104 microphone through my
Kenwood hybrid. I can only output ~100 watts with the hybrid and cannot
dial down the power without a modification. I would like to run a mic check
into the TinySA but 100 watts will blow it to bits. Has anyone tried this
or calculated how much attenuation is needed?
Thanks -
Dennis
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
#tinysa
I¡¯d love to help with the research. Where can I send $3.00?
Logan, KE7AZ
Entropy is winning.
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Re: Attenuation for microphone check
...and this attachment on building an attenuator.
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-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shead via groups.io <ki5hyc@...> Reply-To: [email protected]To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [tinysa] Attenuation for microphone check Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 10:20:30 -0500 The attachment from the Wiki may be helpful to you. Andrew, KI5HYC. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Shubitowski <Shubitowski@...> Reply-To: [email protected]To: [email protected]Subject: [tinysa] Attenuation for microphone check Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 11:15:19 -0400 I want to check the response of an Astatic D104 microphone through my Kenwood hybrid. I can only output ~100 watts with the hybrid and cannot dial down the power without a modification. I would like to run a mic check into the TinySA but 100 watts will blow it to bits. Has anyone tried this or calculated how much attenuation is needed? Thanks - Dennis
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Re: Attenuation for microphone check
The attachment from the Wiki may be helpful to you.
Andrew, KI5HYC.
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-----Original Message----- From: Dennis Shubitowski <Shubitowski@...> Reply-To: [email protected]To: [email protected]Subject: [tinysa] Attenuation for microphone check Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 11:15:19 -0400 I want to check the response of an Astatic D104 microphone through my Kenwood hybrid. I can only output ~100 watts with the hybrid and cannot dial down the power without a modification. I would like to run a mic check into the TinySA but 100 watts will blow it to bits. Has anyone tried this or calculated how much attenuation is needed? Thanks - Dennis
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Jim Shorney
KE7AZ