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Re: Measuring FM Deviation

 

Herb

A delta marker would have done the calculation for you.
It is currently not possible to place a marker on a stored trace. Is it something that should be possible


Re: Measuring FM Deviation

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 01:07 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
I have never done this FM deviation measurement but it is possible to see the carrier dip.

So I guess you can tune the depth of the modulation to get the first dip using a tone of 2kHz.

Any other views?
A quick estimate of FM deviation using a spectrum analyzer that my former lab used was: 1). Capture the unkeyed carrier [Display->Store Trace], 2). Key the carrier and measure the deviation between traces using markers.?

I just tried the procedure using the tinySA and it was surprising accurate.? Normally I would place each marker at a point on a horizontal graticule where both waveforms cross, but I couldn't figure out a way to place a marker on the stored waveform.? Fortunately the carrier was straight, up and down, where I needed to make my measurement so I could eyeball placement of marker 2.? Here are my results:

? 144MHz@10kHz-FM? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 144MHz@20kHz-FM??
? ?144.012 - 144.003 ~= 10kHz? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?144.023 - 144.003 = 20kHz
? ?? ? ? ? ???

? Pretty nifty for a $50 device.

- Herb


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Sorry, I will check the additional battery check items and Maggie will send you a new tinySA as soon as possible. Please help check whether vbat displays 4.2V after removing the battery. If it displays 4.2V, it means the battery is faulty, if not, it means the charging IC is faulty.


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

WHen you switch on the tinySA, does it work?
If you unplug the USB does it switch of immediately or does it work for some time?


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

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The red led is still on after 12 hours of charging. Indicator says 3.3v and is 1/4 full
Ray


On Aug 7, 2020, at 07:31, Hugen <hugen@...> wrote:

?Hello Ray, the red LED is on when charging, and the red LED is off when it is full. Is the battery not working now?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 08:23 PM, Ray wrote:
Arrived a few days ago. Battery will not charge.
Ray
W8LYJ


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

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red led is on. Battery indicates 3.2v and 1/4 scale after 12 hours of charging.?


On Aug 7, 2020, at 08:13, Erik Kaashoek <erik@...> wrote:

?The red led is just to the right of the USB connector as seen from the front/top
Is the red light on, off or blinking when connected to a charger?


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

The red led is just to the right of the USB connector as seen from the front/top
Is the red light on, off or blinking when connected to a charger?


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Hello Ray, the red LED is on when charging, and the red LED is off when it is full. Is the battery not working now?


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 08:23 PM, Ray wrote:
Arrived a few days ago. Battery will not charge.
Ray
W8LYJ


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Alibaba
Can¡¯t get into account. Tried to reset password, new password does not meet standards but standards are not listed.
Guess I will toss it and call it a bad day.


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Contact the seller. They will tell you what to do.
If you did buy from one to the official stores of Hugen you will be surprised by his customer care!!!


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Arrived a few days ago. Battery will not charge.
Ray
W8LYJ


Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Yes, ?8 is ¡°handling charge¡± the rest is vat.

Steve L, waiting for mine.


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

My TinySA arrived today! yay
As soon as I got the notification about the release from Erik, I put in my order. Maggie reminded me that it's arrival was imminent, so I filled in a DHL form
to no-sign and put in my 'covid-special' box...
I started 'playing with it asap and found it easy to follow the menu system - even though I know very little about these creatures.
I put my NanoVNA-H with a 20db attenuator on to see the waveforms - amazing how the two worked together.
Thank You Erik, Hugen and Maggie for this great device!

Regards
Colin


Re: Measuring FM Deviation

 

I have never done this FM deviation measurement but it is possible to see the carrier dip.

Set transmitter to 144MHz
Set your test tone to 2kHz (1kHz is too low for the minimum RBW of a tinySA)
With a deviation of 5kHz (my signal generator does not let me do 4.8kHz deviation) you get the dip at the carrier frequency



The second bessel dip occurs when you have a deviation of 11kHz



So I guess you can tune the depth of the modulation to get the first dip using a tone of 2kHz.

Any other views?


Measuring FM Deviation

J P Watters
 

Erik and the band of tinySA users,

The single largest use of my Motorola service monitor or my Bench Spectrum Analyzer was to measure and adjust the FM Transmitter Deviation.
Lately the initial setup of Packet Transceivers to have a consistent output transmission.

This week's shipment receipt of a pair of TinySA will get unboxed over the weekend.

I would appreciate any tips to measuring FM Transmitter Deviation with the TinySA.

..jpw J P Watters
KC9KKO
Morris, IL USA




Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Hi Dom, A bill from Royal Mail was through my door today, ?16.58.

73 Dave.


Re: Other tinySA suppliers

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:50 AM, hwalker wrote:
I look forward to whatever future features and innovations you have in store for the tinySA.
Any user input is most welcome. Preferably features for the current tinySA (e.g.FW)


Aliexpress order problem

 

FWIIW I see this msg on my aliexpress order from last week today:


Tracking number :?LB16473xxxxxxxxx
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In Transit

¡¾8¡¿Accepted by local carrier for return.Mailno:*53

2020-08-05 16:36:48

¡¾8¡¿Inbound failure in sorting center,Other reasons

2020-08-05 10:38:28

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Re: Other tinySA suppliers

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:13 PM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Hugen informed me is has send some to a long-term cooperative agent. As the quantity was small these are sold out.
The agent has ordered a large quantity and will sell on many platforms including ebay and amazon.
I will try to maintain a list of authorized sellers/stores on the wiki
? Thanks for the info Erik.? Yes, Amazon Prime is also listing the tinySA.? One of the nice things about your collaboration with hugen is that because of his experience producing the NanoVNA,? he has developed a network of of dealers that allow him to penetrate the market pretty quickly.? He also seems to understand which shipping options work best for speediest shipment and delivery.? His packaging is a level above most of his other competitors.

? The tinySA has exceeded the expectations of my ham club members who have received their units.? I look forward to whatever future features and innovations you have in store for the tinySA.

? - Herb


Re: Other tinySA suppliers

 

Hugen informed me is has send some to a long-term cooperative agent. As the quantity was small these are sold out.
The agent has ordered a large quantity and will sell on many platforms including ebay and amazon.
I will try to maintain a list of authorized sellers/stores on the wiki