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Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Thanks, Order in.

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Dom
M1KTA
Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Been following the progress over on the NanoVna board and when I saw Hugen's announcement,
well just had to get one too..
Can't wait to try this device!
Thank You so much for all the hard work and much success going forward.
Cheers
Colin
Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Congratulations.??
I too have placed an order.? Thank you for posting on the Groups.io board.

At this price point, I am sure the project will be successful.

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Evan
AC9TU
Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

I also have ordered one. I saw that shipping was the same if I? ordered 1 or 2. If I had another friend that wanted one, I would of ordered 2, That was not the case here. But others may want to "group" buy..

Thanks for the product. Looking forward to using it..... especially to track RFI.

Larry W8LM
Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Erik and Hugen,


congrats on getting this to this stage. My order is in.?

Karl Heinz - K5KHK?
Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

And here you can find all the product details:
tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Dear community enthusiasts, we have manufactured a small amount of tinySA for sale and now sell it through the Alibaba store. If the community feedback is good, we will make more. The current logistics speed is slow, and the logistics cost for sending to some areas may be higher. If you don¡¯t wait to test it, you can wait for us to manufacture it in large quantities and distribute it to overseas distributors. Purchase to save logistics costs.


Many thanks to Erik for creating the tinySA project and implementing it. Many thanks to the tinySA test group enthusiasts for providing great feedbacks.

hugen
2020-07-23
Re: Screen size #specifications

 

Valid point, Dom, but counter to that, I like self-contained devices.
If the option of a 4" screen was available, that would be my choice, even if it meant a few quid more.
/ Gerry
Re: TinySA as bandscope

 

Fantastic.? Are you able to share how your fast frequency schema works?? i would like to try it out in my homebrew version!

Dave M0WID
Re: TinySA as bandscope

 

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 02:22 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
RFC 8798
I wish you a lot of patience.....

While we were busy changing the unit letters we also change the u to the greek letter, probably too small to see the difference on a 2.8" display.
Re: TinySA as bandscope

 

On 2020-06-29, at 10:55, Erik Kaashoek <erik@...> wrote:

According to Wikipedia and other sources its 's'
Right. If you ever need the authoritative source:

ISO 80000-3 ¡ª Quantities and units ¡ª Part 3: Space and time


(Scroll down to 3-9.)

Most ISO standards cost money, but the "Terms and definitions¡± sections are usually freely available. The authors of ISO 80000-3 managed to get most of the meat into that section¡­
Too bad that the authors of IEC 80000-6 (which has the electrical units) didn¡¯t.

A good secondary source, from a veritable horse¡¯s mouth:



Or, shorter:


(I just happen to be somewhat loaded up on this subject at the moment, see RFC 8798 if you want to know why.)

Gr¨¹?e, Carsten
Re: TinySA as bandscope

 

According to Wikipedia and other sources its 's' so I replaced 'S' with 's'
Re: TinySA as bandscope

 

And when there is a small 's' letter, your problem will be very small and you won't see it on the 2.8" screen. Bravo

Erik, please leave it at that, if only one person in Siemens thinks about it, it's still acceptable.
Otherwise, the difference between the big 'S' and the small 's' will be so minimal, at least it WILL SEE.
I¡¯m not asking for a small letter, but the lower case letter s that has been the symbol for seconds for a century now.

A capital S is also easy to mistake for a 5, and it blends in with the number that is preceding it. Even if there were a valid opportunity for choice, S is worse than s.

Since kHz and dB/dBm are already spelled right and very visible, the above is a *very* weak argument.

(Fortunately, there are few descenders here ¡ª that would be an actual problem, and that¡¯s why it is quite acceptable to go for u instead of ?. If I actually were a purist, I would also note that there needs to be a space between the number and the unit, but I won¡¯t.)

Gr¨¹?e, Carsten
Re: TinySA as bandscope

 

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 09:51 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
Nice!
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BTW, please do not use S, the abbreviation for Siemens (conductivity) for seconds (time), which are abbreviated s.?
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Thank you!

Sent from?mobile, sorry for terse
And when there is a small 's' letter, your problem will be very small and you won't see it on the 2.8" screen. Bravo

Erik, please leave it at that, if only one person in Siemens thinks about it, it's still acceptable.
Otherwise, the difference between the big 'S' and the small 's' will be so minimal, at least it WILL SEE.
Re: TinySA as bandscope

 

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Nice!

BTW, please do not use S, the abbreviation for Siemens (conductivity) for seconds (time), which are abbreviated s.?

Thank you!

Sent from?mobile, sorry for terse

On 28. Jun 2020, at 13:34, Erik Kaashoek <erik@...> wrote:

?The sweep time on lowest RBW for a span of 200kHz used to be 2 seconds. A bit slow for usage as a bandscope for 20m and 40m bands.
Using an experimental frequency setting schema I was able to reduce scan time to 0.5 seconds.
Here are the bandscope pictures using this fast scanning (the indicated scan time is still the old scan time)
There is still a small bug in the fast scanning causing the frequencies to be off by one RBW as you can see in the digital band under marker 1.
The markers are tracking markers marking the 4 strongest signals and updated every scan of 0.5 seconds.
40 meters, directly connected to half size G5RV antenna
<bandscope 40M.jpg>


20 meters (using a 25dB amplifier, not really needed)
<bandscope 20M.jpg>
TinySA as bandscope

 

The sweep time on lowest RBW for a span of 200kHz used to be 2 seconds. A bit slow for usage as a bandscope for 20m and 40m bands.
Using an experimental frequency setting schema I was able to reduce scan time to 0.5 seconds.
Here are the bandscope pictures using this fast scanning (the indicated scan time is still the old scan time)
There is still a small bug in the fast scanning causing the frequencies to be off by one RBW as you can see in the digital band under marker 1.
The markers are tracking markers marking the 4 strongest signals and updated every scan of 0.5 seconds.
40 meters, directly connected to half size G5RV antenna


20 meters (using a 25dB amplifier, not really needed)
Locked Re: TinySA introduction video

 

No to add fuel to the fire but I will quote from your initial email below.

You are the one that spoke, in no uncertain terms, about hams in general, not I, and everyone can see that. I did not do so.

You can stand by your statements, which in my opinion sounded to me to be self serving.?

I did not admonish you, that was not my intention but tried to point out that there are certainly hams that are as smart as you or I, and know their way around RF.?

I am sorry that you mis-interpreted my response. Based upon my experience, of the hams that I know they have a thirst for knowledge about many things. I would think that is a good thing. So what if they?want to buy a product that they may know nothing about.?

With the fraternity decreasing in numbers we need all the support that we can get. Don't you remember when you knew absolutely nothing about spectrum analyzers, or were you born with the ingrained knowledge? I'll bet?certainly?not, you had to learn all of?the?details one way or another.

I am sure that sometime in your life you asked what others thought were "stupid questions". I certainly have So I would not have made a general statement as you did below. Perhaps you should have phrased it differently.

"as the second something new comes out, the pig herd (hams) will run out and want one and they can't even spell spectrum or analyzer. In the USA we have a comment regarding them, "more money than brains"? In any case they will deplete units on the shelf, then bombard? the group with stupid questions. The downside to your journey to fame and fortune."

So let's just "bury the hatchet" and part friends. I am sorry if my direct response?offended you. I consider the subject moot.


Sam Reaves
ARS W3OHM
Owner and Moderator of:
LeCroy Owners Group on Groups.io (Current and Future Group)
Electronics and Mechanical Hardware Design Engineering Manager
Andritz Rolls Global Research Center (RETIRED)



On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:44 AM Lawrence Macionski via <am_fm_radio=[email protected]> wrote:
Sam- I am not going to boast regarding my career, or being licensed 54 years. You jumped to conclusions that frankly you have no idea who I am. Not that I care either, What are you- the Goodie 2 shoes ham radio police? .

I was specifically speaking of those irregardless of education or status in life- the ones who buy as soon as they find out there is a "new toy on the block" irregardless of need or want or ability to use.? Look at the NanoVNA forums as an example.. "I just bought a NanoVNA and how do you....." -THOSE PEOPLE.
and they were there from the very beginning.

That's all I know about them. ? All I was hinting at for the 1st production run, he consider some sort of "reservation" or Sales limit per customer.. After all I just might order 100. then resale them at 100% markup. He obviously is self funding his project and 1st production run will not be over 100. Once it's announced available, there will be a stampede ? Yet we all know, when the NanoVNA 1st came out there were shortages.

You stating, "you to make such a careless general statement is harmful to the fraternity." is EXACTLY what YOU have specifically done to me.? Tell me just how is it harmful and whom have I harmed?? I'll wait...

You know nothing of me, yet your pompous? self righteous attitude proves otherwise. What gives you the right to admonish me in "public"?

I live in REALVILLE... I am not about to shut up and not speak out regarding some of the tactics and stupidity both on and off the ham bands.? I stand by my comments.

So congratulations you surely put me in my place!!? NOT!!

Next time I'm visiting my Wife and Son's grave in Inwood, I'll look you up....I usually stay in Winchester.
Re: Screen size #specifications

 

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You could always make it an option, just for us geeks.

It's all about experimentation..



On 6/26/2020 10:35 PM, Jim Allyn - N7JA wrote:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:32 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
when you remove the input low pass filter you can do all kind of tricks like harmonic mixing. I have the SW to show it is working? (till above 3GHz) but the "signal identification" (just like on the old HP SA) is difficult to explain and I am not sure people will like it. So I do not expect this will ever be a product.

Some of the more geeky types here - looking at myself - would be interested in that.? I remember doing the signal identification stuff on an HP141T. 

    

  




	

        
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Sam- I am not going to boast regarding my career, or being licensed 54 years. You jumped to conclusions that frankly you have no idea who I am. Not that I care either, What are you- the Goodie 2 shoes ham radio police? .

I was specifically speaking of those irregardless of education or status in life- the ones who buy as soon as they find out there is a "new toy on the block" irregardless of need or want or ability to use.? Look at the NanoVNA forums as an example.. "I just bought a NanoVNA and how do you....." -THOSE PEOPLE.
and they were there from the very beginning. 

That's all I know about them. ? All I was hinting at for the 1st production run, he consider some sort of "reservation" or Sales limit per customer.. After all I just might order 100. then resale them at 100% markup. He obviously is self funding his project and 1st production run will not be over 100. Once it's announced available, there will be a stampede ? Yet we all know, when the NanoVNA 1st came out there were shortages.

You stating, "you to make such a careless general statement is harmful to the fraternity." is EXACTLY what YOU have specifically done to me.? Tell me just how is it harmful and whom have I harmed?? I'll wait...

You know nothing of me, yet your pompous? self righteous attitude proves otherwise. What gives you the right to admonish me in "public"?

I live in REALVILLE... I am not about to shut up and not speak out regarding some of the tactics and stupidity both on and off the ham bands.? I stand by my comments. 

So congratulations you surely put me in my place!!? NOT!! 

Next time I'm visiting my Wife and Son's grave in Inwood, I'll look you up....I usually stay in Winchester.


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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I own both the 2.8 inch and 4 inch versions of the NanoVNA H and I can tell you I like the 4" much better. From R&L Electronics the 4 inch is only $10.00 more than the 2.8inch (about the cost of two cups of?coffee?from Starbucks). Well worth the extra. If Eric could work out something with Hugen and his source for the enclosure used for the NanoVNA H4 the pair of them would be a great combination.

This is coming from someone who has repaired or used RF test gear professionally for over 40 years.

Best regards,
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Sam Reaves


ARS W3OHM


Owner and Moderator of:
LeCroy Owners Group on Groups.io (Current and Future Group)


Electronics and Mechanical Hardware Design Engineering Manager
Andritz Rolls Global Research Center (RETIRED)



				
					
					

					



On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 6:11 AM Dom Baines M1KTA via  <dombaines=[email protected]> wrote:
Nice product.

Given this can be paired up with a laptop or PC with a much bigger screen (Just like the NanoVNA same form factor) I am not sure a larger screen size is the way to go. For sure some might need it but not everyone.
It might move it to being far too costly if it defaults to have 4"+ screen especially if you don't use it.

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Dom
M1KTA




					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
	

	
	
	
	


	

		
		
		
		
		
	

	

		
		
		
		
		
	

	
	

		
		
		
		
	



	

		

			
	
		

			
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