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Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Very jealous with everyone getting their TinySA. Ordered mine on 7/23. Five days later Maggie asked me for a different address, DHL doesn't deliver to PO Boxes. Ok I understand. Another five days go by and she says she now needs a phone number. I gave it to her. It's now been 13 days and counting and still no email notification that it's even been shipped! I ordered mine through Alibaba. I'm curious if everyone that's getting theirs, ordered through AliExpress instead and if that's the reason that I'm getting terrible service?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 12:46 PM John AE5X <ae5x@...> wrote:
Received mine in Houston today, 12 days after placing order.

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Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Received mine today (Holland) Never been able to buy an SA, this little beauty makes me extremely happy After switching it on. Thanks for making this possible.?

Huub


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Received mine in Houston today, 12 days after placing order.

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Re: New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 05:20 PM, hwalker wrote:
Prior to the version 1.0-49 FW update a level calibration on my v0.3 tinySA would set leveloffset low to '0' which gave me a measurement error of < 1dB across the board measured against an external signal source.? With v1.0-49 a level calibration is now setting leveloffset low to '1.7' and my measurements against an external signal source are off by about that amount.? I have to manually set 'leveloff low 0' to regain my <1dB accuracy.? This using the new correction table.
Herb,
Can you check if the same is happening when you manually calibrate using the 30MHz cal output, center = 30MHz and span=10MHz and then an ACTUAL POWER set to -25?
If that gives a good result can you manually calibrate using? the 30MHz cal output, center = 30MHz and span=60MHz and then an ACTUAL POWER set to -25?
I'm most interested in the difference in calibrating powerlevel using ACTUAL POWER using a span of 10MHz versus a span of 60MHz.
Erik,
? ?My calibrator signal level (-26.7dBm)?is low by 1.7dB? which explains the leveloffset low issue. If I enter CONFIG->EXPERT CONFIG->ACTUAL POWER: -26.7 ?then my leveloffset low value is '0' as expected.? I did not experience this issue prior to v1.0-49, at least not that I can recall.? I changed inter-connecting cables to verify that my cable was not at fault by 1.7dB.

30MHz@10MHz?Span.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 30MHz@60MHz?Span.
? ??

In any event, manually entering the actual powered measured at 30MHz, using a 10MHz span, is a satisfactory alternative level calibration procedure -? if the 30MHz calibrator level differs from -25dBm by more than a dB or so.

- Herb


Re: New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

 

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Hi Herb and Erik

I think I can provide hints what Herb is fighting. I have a day fully booked but I have 1 hour free form now and will do my testing and then comment

Kind regards

Kurt

Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> P? vegne af hwalker
Sendt: 5. august 2020 02:21
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: [tinysa] New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 08:57 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:

New FW released
version v1.0-49

Changes:
- Corrected a rounding error in the level calibration causing up to 1dB level error

Due to a data format change you will lose your configuration information. If you have made any changes you should redoc these after updating.
Both high and low mode level calibration should be re-done using either the built-in calibration source or an external known level signal.
The calibration error off factory should be less then 2dB so after this FW update your levels should be within 2dB without calibration.

Erik,
? Prior to the version 1.0-49 FW update a level calibration on my v0.3 tinySA would set leveloffset low to '0' which gave me a measurement error of < 1dB across the board measured against an external signal source.? With v1.0-49 a level calibration is now setting leveloffset low to '1.7' and my measurements against an external signal source are off by about that amount.? I have to manually set 'leveloff low 0' to regain my <1dB accuracy.? This using the new correction table.

?The v0.2 beta unit has benefited from the FW update. Level calibration sets 'leveloffset low' to a value of -0.7 which resulted in??a measurement error of < 1dB across the board measured against an external signal source. This using the new correction table.

?FW updates including 'clearconfig 1234' set 'leveloffset low' to 100 and measurements at some frequencies in this uncalibrated state exceeded 2 dB at the limits of the measurement range.? In this case a level calibration is necessary and then possibly some fudging of the leveloffset low value.

?In the end, I used the leveloffset low value the level calibration calculated for my beta unit, but had to manually restore my previous leveoffset low value for the production unit.

- Herb


Re: tinySA Un-Boxing

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:06 PM, DuWayne Schmidlkofer wrote:
Herb
I hope you don't mind, but i plan on using a couple of your pictures on my blog.? I received my TinySA today, and have been having some problems with my camera.? Your pictures of the packaging is much nicer than I was able to get.? This packaging is much nicer than I have found in similarly priced products of any type.

DuWayne,
? ? I'm glad you found the pictures useful.? Be my guest to use them as you wish.

- Herb


Re: New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 05:20 PM, hwalker wrote:
Prior to the version 1.0-49 FW update a level calibration on my v0.3 tinySA would set leveloffset low to '0' which gave me a measurement error of < 1dB across the board measured against an external signal source.? With v1.0-49 a level calibration is now setting leveloffset low to '1.7' and my measurements against an external signal source are off by about that amount.? I have to manually set 'leveloff low 0' to regain my <1dB accuracy.? This using the new correction table.
Herb,
Can you check if the same is happening when you manually calibrate using the 30MHz cal output, center = 30MHz and span=10MHz and then an ACTUAL POWER set to -25?
If that gives a good result can you manually calibrate using? the 30MHz cal output, center = 30MHz and span=60MHz and then an ACTUAL POWER set to -25?
I'm most interested in the difference in calibrating powerlevel using ACTUAL POWER using a span of 10MHz versus a span of 60MHz.


Re: tinySA Un-Boxing

 

Herb
I hope you don't mind, but i plan on using a couple of your pictures on my blog.? I received my TinySA today, and have been having some problems with my camera.? Your pictures of the packaging is much nicer than I was able to get.? This packaging is much nicer than I have found in similarly priced products of any type.
DuWayne KV4QB


Re: Tiny SA arrived today.

 

Mine just arrived, looks great so far.? I can see where it will take some time to get familiar with all the features and settings.


Re: New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 08:57 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
New FW released
version v1.0-49

Changes:
- Corrected a rounding error in the level calibration causing up to 1dB level error

Due to a data format change you will lose your configuration information. If you have made any changes you should redoc these after updating.
Both high and low mode level calibration should be re-done using either the built-in calibration source or an external known level signal.
The calibration error off factory should be less then 2dB so after this FW update your levels should be within 2dB without calibration.
Erik,
? Prior to the version 1.0-49 FW update a level calibration on my v0.3 tinySA would set leveloffset low to '0' which gave me a measurement error of < 1dB across the board measured against an external signal source.? With v1.0-49 a level calibration is now setting leveloffset low to '1.7' and my measurements against an external signal source are off by about that amount.? I have to manually set 'leveloff low 0' to regain my <1dB accuracy.? This using the new correction table.

?The v0.2 beta unit has benefited from the FW update. Level calibration sets 'leveloffset low' to a value of -0.7 which resulted in??a measurement error of < 1dB across the board measured against an external signal source. This using the new correction table.

?FW updates including 'clearconfig 1234' set 'leveloffset low' to 100 and measurements at some frequencies in this uncalibrated state exceeded 2 dB at the limits of the measurement range.? In this case a level calibration is necessary and then possibly some fudging of the leveloffset low value.

?In the end, I used the leveloffset low value the level calibration calculated for my beta unit, but had to manually restore my previous leveoffset low value for the production unit.

- Herb


Re: New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

 

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Hi Erik

Aha you found it, thank you.

I will test again

Kind regards

Kurt

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Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> P? vegne af Erik Kaashoek
Sendt: 4. august 2020 17:57
Til: [email protected]
Emne: [tinysa] New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

?

New FW released
version v1.0-49

Changes:
- Corrected a rounding error in the level calibration causing up to 1dB level error

Due to a data format change you will lose your configuration information. If you have made any changes you should redoc these after updating.
Both high and low mode level calibration should be re-done using either the built-in calibration source or an external known level signal.
The calibration error off factory should be less then 2dB so after this FW update your levels should be within 2dB without calibration.


New FW release: Corrected rounding error in level calibration

 

New FW released
version v1.0-49

Changes:
- Corrected a rounding error in the level calibration causing up to 1dB level error

Due to a data format change you will lose your configuration information. If you have made any changes you should redoc these after updating.
Both high and low mode level calibration should be re-done using either the built-in calibration source or an external known level signal.
The calibration error off factory should be less then 2dB so after this FW update your levels should be within 2dB without calibration.


Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Thanks

On 3 Aug 2020 13:27, Erik Kaashoek <erik@...> wrote:
Make sure to run selftest!


Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

?11 which is worse than the post office at ?8. Odd though they delivered then asked for funds ?

72
Dom?
M1KTA

On 4 Aug 2020 02:40, Dave VE3LHO <dave@...> wrote:
I assume the VAT hurt but the "etc" hurt more. How much does DHL charge in "brokerage" (or whatever) fees in the UK?

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 04:43 AM, Dom Baines M1KTA wrote:
just? delivered. Nice.

DHL added (to UK) ?21.36 vat etc.

Quick check with a few sig gens and certainly responsive.

72

Dom
M1KTA


Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

I assume the VAT hurt but the "etc" hurt more. How much does DHL charge in "brokerage" (or whatever) fees in the UK?


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 04:43 AM, Dom Baines M1KTA wrote:
just? delivered. Nice.

DHL added (to UK) ?21.36 vat etc.

Quick check with a few sig gens and certainly responsive.

72

Dom
M1KTA


Tiny SA arrived today.

 

My TinySA arrived today. I unpacked it in front of the DHL driver while he waited as I told him, it it was damaged I wanted to show him. It came in a TyVAC envelope inside a TYVAC envelope. Then 1 wrap of small bubble, and a brown cardboard box. Inside it was wrapped again in small bubble wrap, and the presentation box was perfect. I signed and went inside. I had read that you need to check it before signing. And I did.

I immediately put it on a charger 5V @ 0.240A measured.. In 2 hours it was fully charged. I took it over to a friend to show him, and found the only negative so far..

THE SCREEN IS TOTALLY WASHED OUT IN KANSAS SUNLIGHT.

Yet in my truck it was readable on the dash..? So if planning to use it in the field better devise a "viewing box."

Now time to read everything about it..as my intention is to first do some cable leakage testing in the area.


Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

Make sure to run selftest!


Re: tinySA has been listed in Alibaba store

 

just? delivered. Nice.

DHL added (to UK) ?21.36 vat etc.

Quick check with a few sig gens and certainly responsive.

72

Dom
M1KTA


Re: New FW: Experimental feature added: value button dragging

 

1: Is clear. It will depend on available memory. Not sure yet
2: Occupied bandwidth is clear. Specify center freq and channel width and calculate the power inside and outside channel. probably use maxhold to get the curve.


Re: New FW: Experimental feature added: value button dragging

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:50 PM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:41 AM, hwalker wrote:
editable transducer factor table
? ?3.?automatic OCBW (occupied bandwidth) measurement
Can you give a bit of background on these
Erik,
?1.? I would envision the editable transducer factor table being similar to your level correction table.? The main difference would be a menu option allowing the user to enter up to 9(?)? freq/value pair that are added to the displayed values as conversion or correction factors.? There may not be sufficient memory in the firmware to allow this with all the other features you have provided.? The other problem would be changing the display units, if say, the factors converted units from dBuV to dBuA.? Maybe something to consider adding to TinySA.exe instead.

2. The automated occupied bandwidth measurement is a feature one of my club members demonstrated on Siglent spectrum analyzer.??Occupied bandwidth measurements are used to measure the power of the occupied channel as a percentage to the power of the channel.? I 'm not sure what algorithm was used for the measurement. Jim Allyn?has a Siglent specan and might be able to shed light on the measurement procedure.?

- Herb