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Diez,
The problem you have is that a mobile phone will be in 'sleep' mode for the duration of the time, it will 'wake' up and transmit to the base station to make sure its not moved and then will go back to 'sleep'. The only time you would be able to direction find
the phone is when its in a call, you would also then need to know what it is transmitting on (2 / 3 / 4G or 5G-NSA) and then look at the uplinks for those bands. Even with a phone in a call, if it is using 3, 4 or 5G-NSA it will use minimum power to transmit,
so looking on the TinySA you may see a large signal transmitting in the uplink of the band but it may not be the phone / device you are looking for. The best way to find a device would be to use an inhibitor in the suspected room, with the TinySA looking at
the full spectrum, when you then turn off the inhibitor, all cellular devices will then try and connect to the mobile network, you may see it then.
Cellular detection is a nightmare without the right equipment.?
Kind Regards,
Lee Johns
Lee Johns
Search Training Consultant
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Diez B. Roggisch via groups.io <deets@...>
Sent: 25 January 2025 11:21 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [tinysa] Scanning for unknown mobile phone ?
Hey folks,
I've bought a TinySA a while ago for some other project, but something has cropped up that? makes me wonder if it can help here. I'm not an RF professional, I know enough to know I don't know anything. A good friend is going through a breakup, and there's credible evedince their evicted ex has been spying on them. We did find a hidden smartphone running a baby monitor app already. Wifi/Network are changed, so any devices relying on that (e.g. ESP32-equipped power bars) are eliminated. However we have reason to suspect there's a cellphone hidden in or the vicinity of the bedroom. My current approach is to inspect the power outlets one by one to see if a power supply has been connected and the setup stowed away behind some paneling. I wonder if there's a way to use the TinySA to home in on such a device as well. I've done some limited resarch into it, and found e.g. videos of people using a HackRF to decode some cellular traffic between the base station and their smartphone. These were quite sophisticated, seemed to rely both on a lot of protocol knowledge (I don't have) and even prior information from the smartphone itself about used channels/modulations, that for obvious reasons also are unknown. I don't even know which kind of technology is being used. 3G, 4G are most likely, but these to my knowledge are umbrella-terms that cover a broad range of frequencies and modulations and other protocol details. So I'm just overwhelmed where to start. If somebody has some idea if the TinySA can be used to at least detect the presence if not precise location of a cell phone so we can be sure that we have to rip half the room apart, that would be splendid. I know it's a moonshot and if it is just not working that way, then I'll accept that as well. Thanks for your consideration, and I'll be back in the future with my actual purpose I bought the little bugger for. Cheers, Diez |