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The best way I've found to start in TDD is pairing with a person who knows it. This series of free online events, open to people anywhere in?the world, offer just that. They have a fun, accepting learning environment.
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 9:48?AM Jacqueline Lee < jmasonlee@...> wrote:
Do you know of any courses that are good for developers just starting out?
We get a lot of them at our club, and I¡¯d like to be able to point out some resources for them to learn.
Many see a regular TDD course and are very intimidated because they don¡¯t know what it is. We work really hard on relationships so that they get comfortable enough to ask questions in our regular activities.
Most don¡¯t work somewhere they are lucky enough to find a mentor that knows TDD, and they aren¡¯t ¡°valuable¡± enough yet for their company to pay for training.?
I¡¯ve been struggling with how to connect beginners to resources for a while.
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 3:59 AM Frank Carver via <frank.carver= [email protected]> wrote: I don't know how much this counts as a data point, but during some recent research on template engines in Java I found that the search results on GitHub were clogged up with people who had a go at the template engine TDD kata from Lasse Koskela's?"Test Driven" book. So some people somewhere are/were learning and teaching the technique.
Frank.
On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 09:01, Ted M. Young [@jitterted] < tedyoung@...> wrote: Not sure what it means, but at the just-ended Kansas City Developer Conference, there were two talks specifically on TDD. They had decent attendance, and did not seem to be preaching to the converted. How effective that¡¯ll be in terms of change? Little directly, I¡¯d assume, but since the goal of a talk is to show what¡¯s possible, there may be some folks who might want to try out TDD.
The big question is: where will they go to learn and experiment? One TDD speaker listed as resources Kent Beck¡¯s book on TDD and Kent C. Dodds post ¡°¡±, which is not exactly a useful resource in this context??().
Is that enough? I don¡¯t think so. Clearly the resources by Grenning, Rainsberger, Hill, Jeffries, Reid, Farley, et al, are not getting known enough to become mentioned often enough (if at all).
I do agree that trying to get to developers who are just starting out seems to be more effective, because they have less to unlearn and less experience to throw away (which humans don¡¯t like to do).
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