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I too was disappointed that the TS Online Kickstarter failed. I have used TS for many years for several different games (GURPS, Rifts, AD&D 2E, OD&D) and have appreciated its function and utility. I hope that perhaps with the experience learned maybe there can be another attempt at a TS Online version.

Steve Allen AKA Scourge scorge30@...://allensrepositoryofstuff.wordpress.com In vino veritas Plus je bois, mieux je chante

I can come up with a few potential reasons (I'm not associated with KickStarter, so I can only speculate why). I think the main reason is to provide focus. There are a lot of open-ended ways to take donations. I believe Kickstarter instead wants to get projects going, buzzing, funded, and underway quickly. A deadline helps make this happen.

Steve

Hello,

Did you know there is a TableSmith Wiki? Well, there is.

You can find it here:

Come on over and add to it, learn from it or both!

Lorgryt

Sorry it didn't get funded -- I was especially looking forward to the API. Maybe it could be reformulated or bundled to appeal to a wider audience?

Why does Kickstarter put a time limit on donations?

I'm sorry it didn't get funded. I thought it was a good idea and I chipped in, but I guess there weren't enough of us who agreed. Too bad!

Eris

Thanks for the condolences.

The majority of the Kickstarter was to pay Bruce for the API. Not sure what happens to that now. That's up to Bruce.

Todd

Sorry it didn't get funded -- I was especially looking forward to the API. Maybe it could be reformulated or bundled to appeal to a wider audience?

Steve

About 24 hours to go. If anybody has been thinking about it - Bruce & I
could really, really use your support!
<> Tablesmith Online Kickstarter

Yes, all wikis have to deal with unwanted changes. Wikis have been around a
long time now and that issue is pretty well handled: Require user accounts,
allow users to monitor pages, allow unwanted changes to be easily rolled
back.

Todd

I am concerned that if anyone can edit the online files there may be some contamination by people with poor ethics. In other words pron or bad language may be inserted in otherwise useful tables.

problem with interconnected tables that a table user may or may not want

modified

Sure, that's a problem with a wiki setup. Things might get changed you
don't want changed. I don't expect everyone to love my project, but even
so, there are a couple reasons you might consider supporting the Tablesmith
Online project even if you don't intend to use it exclusively:

*New Tables*
As things stand right now, new content for Tablesmith is few and far
between. Since the beginning of the year there has only been three tables
uploaded - an update to Town Generator, NPC Stat Block for Pathfinder, and
some wondering monster tables for Kingmaker. Since TSO makes it easier to
share tables, it might result in more tables being made available to the
community. Since the wiki tables are 100% Tablesmith tables, you can copy
them out of the wiiki to your local Tablesmith.

*Big Joint Projects*
With the stand-alone Tablesmith, it's pretty difficult to work on a project
with other Tablesmith users. With it online, multiple people could work on
a project easily. Things like adding a new bestiary to the wandering
monster tables or updating a treasure generator with a new book of
equipment gets done much easier if multiple people can do it. Again, once
it's done, you can copy it all out of the wiki for your own use.

*Personal Tables*
What happens when I want the "Gods" table to return Pathfinder gods, you
want Forgotten Realms, and somebody else wants Greyhawk? That's an
improvement to the Tablesmith engine Bruce & I are hoping to make with this
project.

Todd


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Troy Fisher <tfcoug@...> wrote:

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None of this addresses the problem with interconnected tables that a table
user may or may not want modified or used. For instance I create a table
that has a call to a, which call b and c, c call the table d which I've
already decided I don't want.

Or the horrendeous case where since its a wiki, I don't get choice on any
changes occuring to a table that I use often. Someone else has decided to
modify the town generator and include results that skew my tables, or even
worse modify the carefully created probabilities that I have.

I believe that the singular custom-ability of TS to ones own campaign and
world are what makes in invaluable to many of us at the gaming table.
Making us use shared tables rips that away from building our worlds and
games. But I wish you well on this endeavor.

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Subject: [TableSmith] Re: Tablesmith Online Kickstarter
From: Todd <todd@...>
To: TableSmith@...
CC:

The TablesmithOnline Kickstarter is in the home stretch! To help push
things over the finish line, we're offering some new features to the
project:

Personal Account

At TablesmithOnline.com, you'll be able to log-in to your own personal
account. From there you can mark favorite tables which you'll be able to
easily roll and you can mark tables as hidden so that you never see them
as an option. You'll be able to use TSO easily, seeing just the tables
you want.

Developer API

We're going to make the functions of TSO an open developer API library.
Any programmer will be able to call the TSO website to log-in, get table
names, get names of favorite tables, and to request table rolls with
results. Anyone will be able to use TSO to make their own website,
mobile website, iPhone app, Android app, or anything they want.

If you haven't pledged yet, I hope that entices you to do it. If you
have already pledged and those added features make you really want this
project to happen, consider upping your pledge.

Tablesmith Online Kickstarter
<> .

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None of this addresses the problem with interconnected tables that a table user may or may not want modified or used. ?For instance I create a table that has a call to a, which call b and c, c call the table d which I've already decided I don't want.

Or the horrendeous case where since its a wiki, I don't get choice on any changes occuring to a table that I use often. ?Someone else has decided to modify the town generator and include results that skew my tables, or even worse modify the carefully created probabilities that I have. ?

I believe that the singular custom-ability of TS to ones own campaign and world are what makes in invaluable to many of us at the gaming table. Making us use shared tables rips that away from building our worlds and games. ?But I wish you well on this endeavor.?

Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T

The TablesmithOnline Kickstarter is in the home stretch! To help push
things over the finish line, we're offering some new features to the
project:

Personal Account

At TablesmithOnline.com, you'll be able to log-in to your own personal
account. From there you can mark favorite tables which you'll be able to
easily roll and you can mark tables as hidden so that you never see them
as an option. You'll be able to use TSO easily, seeing just the tables
you want.

Developer API

We're going to make the functions of TSO an open developer API library.
Any programmer will be able to call the TSO website to log-in, get table
names, get names of favorite tables, and to request table rolls with
results. Anyone will be able to use TSO to make their own website,
mobile website, iPhone app, Android app, or anything they want.

If you haven't pledged yet, I hope that entices you to do it. If you
have already pledged and those added features make you really want this
project to happen, consider upping your pledge.

Tablesmith Online Kickstarter
<> .

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The kickstarter has quietly made it's way to the 1/3 point. 14 days to go...



Todd

Micheal,

Its good to know that I am not the only active table-builder that is behind TS, but would rather support a new version of TS.


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For those of you that haven't joined, care to say why or let me know what would entice you? You always have a PC and not interested in a browser/mobile version? Not interested in community built tables? Any feedback would be appreciated.

Yeah, both of those would pretty much cover it. I'd have to have all my other references close buy to create a 'real' useful table. And since 99.9% of the community tables would be for some version of D&D I have no interest.

I've pimped the kickstarter on my G+ and to several friends whom I know
would be interested, but spare cash isn't something I can spare right
now, unfortunately, even for a project as nice as this.

CM

For myself, part of the joy of TS is being able to customize my tables to use my own world information. I don't have dieties in my world and going thru and removing all that information is a pain! ?Also I have my own list of notable peoples, lands, books, etc. ?If TS moves to an online wiki (which is already out there anyhow!)?



Besides I've got a windows tablet and TS works wonderfully on that. ?All the mobility I need. ?Id be more interested in helping to fund the next version of TS…




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Maybe have a look at how realmworks did it?

with friendly greetings

Thijs Krijger
"The sky is the limit, the lower limit"