Hi all,

I'd describe myself as a "active lurker". Yes I read the daily digests, but I'm now rarely active here because my current modelling project over the past few years simply doesn't fit the Small Layouts Design criteria and iif I can't actively contribute then I won't chips in. I suspect that there are many other active lurkers like me who are watching "the group is dead.." topic with interest if not outright concern. .??

Many of you here will have never heard of or will have forgotten about the other Yahoo Groups that spawned off this one because of the formerly miserly amount of storage space allowed for each Group by Yahoo previously.?In the past, Yahoo allowed more space for photos rather than for files. From memory it was initially 10Mb for Files and 40Mb for Photos. Later the space allocated for files was increased to 20Mb.?

A lot of users on here saved there trackplans in? a whole lot of formats in the space-limited Files section rather than convert them to jpgs with the associated loss in resolution for storage in the Photos section of a group But there also a lot of jpg's in the Files areas. When Yahoo went to Neo,.the amount of space available went to 100Mb for both Files and Photos. This was perhaps only the best thing that ever came out of Neo..?

These related groups are

SLDFiles -?

SLDFiles2 -?

SLDFiles3 -?

These other groups were set up as additional file repositories to get around the SLD Group itself being chock-a-block full. These other groups are part of the history of Small layouts Design on Yahoo. These subsidiary Groups contain a lot of information that shouldn't be lost.?

These other Groups are set up to post the minimum 1 message/month to keep these groups live under Yahoo's Terms of Service, but allow no other automatic posting messages of additional new files or new albums. Any notifications of new stuff in those groups was supposed to posted here on this group as a "heads-up" to go visit the other group where the actual plans, photos and other information was stored. And, yes, I have stuff in Files or Photos on this group and in 2 of the other overflow groups.

The total amount of information currently contained in all groups as at the time of posting is:

SLD (This Group) - 93Mb of 2Gb Files + 1Gb of 100Gb Photos

SLDFiles - 20.4Mb of 100Mb Files + 6.6Mb Photos

SLDFiles2 - 16.4Mb off 100Mb Files + 4Mb Photos

SLDFiles3 - 24.1Mb of 100Mb Files + 139kb Photos

In summary, there are approximately 154Mb of filles and just over 1Gb of photos used across all the related Small Layout Design groups. This is over the top for a "standard". Yahoo Group's storage limits in the Files area. But It looks like this particular group has "enhanced" storage limits somehow that someone probably has paid for?.

I just checked one of the Io Groups that I moderate - it appears to have 1024Gb of storage for all ALL areas, There appears to be no hard boundaries between Files, Photos, Attachments, Databases, Messages etc So far I've been impressed by what I've seen and how it is currently working.?

So at first glance it looks like an .io Groups should have sufficient storage, BUT...not so fast...

There are at least a couple of significant questions that need answering before any move to Groups.io should be contemplated, Some of these questions are:

• Can more than Yahoo Group be migrated into the same io Group? If not, we have a problem
• Does the album structure used in the Photos area transfer cleanly to .io Groups? .
• What happens if there are files/photos with the same name in different Yahoo groups and they hit the same Group in .io in the transfer process? Does it abort the transfer? or???
• How easy is it to amalgamate these separate Yahoo Groups back into one Yahoo group now that the SLD Group has "enhanced storage limits" Frankly I've never heard of 2 Yahoo Groups being folded into one and I don't know if that functionality exists for Yahoo Group Owners or Moderators. This would get you to one BIG Yahoo Group to be migrated.?
• Or can the amalgamate process be done in io Groups after each Yahoo Group is migrated? Again I've never heard of it being done.?
• This amount of data could take days to shove across fro Yahoo to io. What happens to files/photos/messages posted to the group during the transfer process???

Recently Yahoo/?? appears to have lifted its game in terms of service. Messages now appear to getting though quickly rather than taking days, There still appears to be a hard limit of about a 5Mb/photo file size beyond which the bulk photo upload process has problems, but I've fed multiple downsized photos through OK to multiple other Yahoo Groups recently.??

We have an archive here that goes back to 2000. That is a long time in the internet game. This is the best knowledge warehouse of small layout designs for model railways ANYWHERE on the web, I'd hate to see us lose it all because of an assumption that She'll be right, it's easy". That seems to be the prevailing direction in "The Group is dead" thread currently?

If a migration to Groups.io is to happen then the above questions (and there are probably some others that I've missed) need to be at least thought through and hopefully resolved. Remember someone has to to the work behind these questions, It probably might not be those championing the move to Groups.io??

A concerned long-time member,

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In summary, there are approximately 154Mb of filles and just over 1Gb of photos used across all the related Small Layout Design groups. This is over the top for a "standard". Yahoo Group's storage limits in the Files area. But It looks like this particular group has "enhanced" storage limits somehow that someone probably has paid for?.

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