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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Dave, ? From experience I recommend building the layout in 2 4¡¯ sections.? You won¡¯t always have that minivan.? And the size of layout you want to carry/move gets smaller as you get older. ? My personal limit now is nothing more than 6¡¯. ? If you¡¯re concerned about how to handle the jointing of the two sections, I highly recommend Baseboard Alignment Dowels from DCC Concepts.? I¡¯ve used them on two layouts so far and are very pleased with the results.? Here is a link for the basic kit, additional dowels are sold separately¡ ? ? Thanks, Damin. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Adams ? I am planning to build a 2' x 8' shelf layout and wondering about the pros/cons of building it all in one piece or dividing it into 2 sections.? I am going to be building the layout and then transporting it 7 miles after completion.? I have a Toyota Sienna minivan and can probably get the whole 8' layout in if I laid it on it's side and have one end go up between the 2 front seats with the center console folded down.? There wouldn't be much room for scenery or structures at that end but maybe I could add those after it is transported.?? |
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Dave,
I built a Timesaver 1-1/2 feet by 8 feet while in Saudi Arabia.? Given our back-&-forth work lives, we figure it has travelled close to 34,000 miles. It is box girder with thin but high-quality plywood. It has never failed to work after every move.? Given its lightness, it has been easy to move. I'll vote one 2x8! Bill Jolitz |
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Easier to manage 2 4' units. You can use bolts rather than clamps to join and dowels for easy alignment.
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
My experience tells me that it should?be built in 2 sections. I wish I had done so from the beginning. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 6:02 AM Dave Adams <adamsdp@...> wrote: I am planning to build a 2' x 8' shelf layout and wondering about the pros/cons of building it all in one piece or dividing it into 2 sections.? I am going to be building the layout and then transporting it 7 miles after completion.? I have a Toyota Sienna minivan and can probably get the whole 8' layout in if I laid it on it's side and have one end go up between the 2 front seats with the center console folded down.? There wouldn't be much room for scenery or structures at that end but maybe I could add those after it is transported.?? |
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2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
I am planning to build a 2' x 8' shelf layout and wondering about the pros/cons of building it all in one piece or dividing it into 2 sections.? I am going to be building the layout and then transporting it 7 miles after completion.? I have a Toyota Sienna minivan and can probably get the whole 8' layout in if I laid it on it's side and have one end go up between the 2 front seats with the center console folded down.? There wouldn't be much room for scenery or structures at that end but maybe I could add those after it is transported.??
The other option I am thinking of is build it in separate 2' x 4' sections that can be taken apart and reassembled once it is transported.? This will be my first layout so have a lot to learn.? Wanted to post here to see which way would make sense.? Thanks! Dave |
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OT: web bookseller portals (was Re: [small-layout-design] Passenger Operations on my New Layout)
On Jul 1, 2020, at 06:15, rprdds24@... wrote:
The first place *I* look for books is bookfinder.com, which is a portal site for most web-based booksellers. For any volume available from any site, you'll see offerings from any others as well. |
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 7/1/20 6:15 AM, rprdds24@...
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Apropos the book that Andy mentioned The Model Railroader¡¯s Guide to Passenger Equipment and Operations, I looked on Amazon and I couldn't believe the prices. Well, I suggested abebooks, so I went and looked there.? I can't believe their prices either.? Must be a LOT of demand for that book. -- "Intelligence is an experiment that failed." G. B. Shaw |
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 7/1/20 6:15 AM, rprdds24@...
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Apropos the book that Andy mentioned The Model Railroader¡¯s Guide to Passenger Equipment and Operations, I looked on Amazon and I couldn't believe the prices. I've had good luck finding books from American Booksellers Exchange (abebooks.com) - mostly used and/or out of print.? Never gotten a book that didn't meet the condition description given. -- "Intelligence is an experiment that failed." G. B. Shaw |
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGlad it was helpful Richard. Agree with Bill¡¯s advice re Bookfinder, but it sounds like you were able to find a reasonably priced option. I find it strange that many sellers ask outrageous prices for out-of-print Kalmbach books. I¡¯m guessing some of this is driven by algorithms that view the book as ¡°rare¡± and desirable. Even though some of them have really useful info and are worth seeking out, none are worth $100+ like I¡¯ve seen on some sites. ? ? Andy ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: Bill J. via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Passenger Operations on my New Layout ? Richard, ? |
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
Wow! Thanks for all the input. This should get me going in style.
Apropos the book that Andy mentioned The Model Railroader¡¯s Guide to Passenger Equipment and Operations, I looked on Amazon and I couldn't believe the prices. So I looked further. I found it as a Nook Book which is the Barnes? & Noble answer to Kindle. The book was $11.49 and so far worth the money. They have readers for every platform you can imagine. I'm finding it easier to read on my laptop than my phone but that's me. Again, Thanks for your help! -- Richard Richter |
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
What you need most is an escape track so i/b locos can get off their train and let switchers do their work.? Otherwise, road engines are trapped on the inside.
Then, how about removing the station building in preference for a flat at the edge of your benchwork?? That'll give more room for cars on a train. There's a lot of room behind the trackage, so move the entire plan closer to the back wall? Because it appears to be the end of the line, you need to turn locos.? Place servicing and a turntable behind the last curve. I hope those two tracks at the front edge are for mail and express, separate tracks.? That gives more work for your switchers. Hope this helps, Bill Jolitz |
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI only know a little bit about passenger operations, but as some have already mentioned there can be lots of operational/switching opportunities at passenger terminals. Trains must be made up or broken down, cars must be cleaned and provisioned, motive power must be serviced, etc. ? If you want some ideas, The Model Railroader¡¯s Guide to Passenger Equipment and Operations has some prototype info and some suggestions on modeling, including a couple layout ideas based on passenger terminals. I think it¡¯s out of print, but you may be able to find a used copy for a decent price. ? Carl Arendt¡¯s micro layout site also has with ideas on operations. It¡¯s focused on micro layouts, but the concepts can be applied to larger layouts as well. ? Even though we¡¯re well past the heyday of passenger rail I¡¯ve always thought a freelanced Amtrak terminal would make for an interesting switching layout. I think if you dig into prototype practice you¡¯ll be able to find a lot of operational opportunities to keep you busy. ? ? Andy ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? |
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
You need SCARM to open the design file
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Bruce Wilson Barrie, Ontario, Canada Life Member NMRA Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association Nature Barrie Simcoe County Banding Group On 6/29/2020 12:48, Bill J. via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
? ? ?He could also add Express Reefers of fruit, fish, milk, or any other time-sensitive goods. On Sun., Jun. 28, 2020, 23:25 Charles Brumbelow via , <mrb37211=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
Is this American or European passenger service? It seems to me that that would make a difference in what you wanted to do? Or am I overstating the differences? Also, era, I would think, would make a difference. Barring all this knowledge, I would suggest looking at British terminal model railroad operation videos on YouTube. It seems to me that those folks have turned terminal model railroads into a high art form. ;-) It's a poetic dance of trains, shunting, consist swapping, etc. I'm sure you would find something inspiring there. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:05 AM <rprdds24@...> wrote: I recently moved and I am starting a new layout. I want to have both passenger and freight operations. I'm starting with passenger operations. I have designed a line with a terminal at one end and a turnaround at the other. The terminal will have 2 incoming and 2 outgoing tracks leaving room for executive cars, a commissary and engine storage. At the other end, the turnaround has a storage yard included to hold name train setups. I feel right now it just runs back an forth with a few stops along the way. Can anybody suggest ways to add more switching interest so there's more to do? Thanks for any help I can get! --
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Re: Passenger Operations on my New Layout
Max
Not just terminal action and route switching, but add a passing siding mid-point for Meets or Passing - it opens up a whole new world with exciting operation. Inferior train, by class or direction, has to pull into siding to allow superior train to pass, or the same for trains coming from opposite directions for a meet. It gets more exciting when a train is longer than the siding and a saw-by has to be performed.
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I've been into operation since 1939 and love it. Founded Nauset MRR Club and had 3 operating layouts in my backyard at the same time, the main one being 16x24 feet. Max on Cape Cod On 06/29/2020 2:16 AM toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote: |
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