Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
Speaking of Cass, WV, Carl Arendt's website had a 4 ft. x 1 ft. HO scale microlayout of Cass, WV. As I recall, it had a small sawmill and enginehouse on it. It would make a great small layout in itself or combine it with another shelf(ves) or another small table for continuous running.
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Joe
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On 09/16/2020 03:41 PM, kathy allison wrote:
Yes!
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Cass, on the bucket list!
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Jim
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That would be Cass Scenic Railway.
Richard
On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:12 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote:
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WOW!? You know your 440’s
I do have the Disney book that details the 440 used there.? Oh to be wealthy and have real estate!? And time!
Gotta get rolling on this project and then planning visits to notable train mecca’s in the USA!? I just love the sound of steam train whistles so I am gunna get to that place in west Virginia (name escapes me now) but love the shay’s there
Very nice chatting with you
Disney made a version of “The General” which I believe started Fess Parker aka Davy Crockett aka Daniel Boone. No idea as to how authentic.
Georgia has “The General” in a museum in Kennasaw and “The Texas” in a museum in Atlanta.?
The General was restored to full operating condition and converted to standard gauge by its then owner L&N for the Civil War Centennial. It and a period style passenger car were carried around their system (and likely on other roads) on flat cars by L&N and unloaded and run on its on steam. I believe it was still operational when it went into the museum, but subsequent federal boiler regulations probably mean it will never steam again.?
The Texas was stored/shown for decades in the basement of the building (in Grants Park I think) which held the Cyclorama. It was removed and sent to the transportation museum in Spencer NC for cosmetic restoration and returned to Atlanta for proud display in a new museum.?
Charles?
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:45 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote:
Thanks Charles!
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I was on ebay while you were probably sending me your text and I did purchase the vintage drive shaft just to get the train back on the tracks in the short run
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I endeavor to manufacture the highly modified drive shaft Alan Mueller designed (I have his book) which uses piano wire connected to brass stock end pieces in an attempt to hide the drive shaft vs the vintage one that looks like a telephone pole!
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Thanks for your reply!
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Jim
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Do an eBay search for “mantua general” and you can possibly find what you need. I saw several listings for driveshafts, for example.?
Charles
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:04 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote:
All
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It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn!
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However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War)
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I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest.
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Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off.
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You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy!
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All the best,
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Jim Allison
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Awesome!? Thanks for the responses!
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The loco I have just has bare shafts coming out of the motor and gear assy.
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So no “cups” and no “drive link/shaft”.??
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Looking for a drive shaft “system” that will connect the tender motor shaft to the gear shaft in the locomotive.
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Much appreciated!
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Thx
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Jim
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I think I have a couple of these (Mantua and/or Tyco) in my collection... I have to hit the storage to see, but my inventory program says I have 2 "in the box" so they should have all the parts.? I might be able to take a picture of the piece to help in locating a replacement, if that would help.. or maybe get really lucky and have a IPB in one of the boxes.
Unfortunately, that means a day or two for me to hit the storage and dig them out but..? I'll let you know what I find.
On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 4:43:08 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote:?
I found this... Seems Mr Allen was actively making parts for the loco, but passed away in 2018. Maybe someone else has picked up the challenge.
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote:?
Hello
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My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout.
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I now have (4) of these locomotives
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My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made.
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He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive.
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Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??).?
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I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement.
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Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group.
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Jim Allison
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Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
Yes! ? Cass, on the bucket list! ? Jim ?
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Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft? That would be Cass Scenic Railway. Richard
On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:12 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: ? WOW!? You know your 440’s I do have the Disney book that details the 440 used there.? Oh to be wealthy and have real estate!? And time! Gotta get rolling on this project and then planning visits to notable train mecca’s in the USA!? I just love the sound of steam train whistles so I am gunna get to that place in west Virginia (name escapes me now) but love the shay’s there Very nice chatting with you Disney made a version of “The General” which I believe started Fess Parker aka Davy Crockett aka Daniel Boone. No idea as to how authentic. Georgia has “The General” in a museum in Kennasaw and “The Texas” in a museum in Atlanta.? The General was restored to full operating condition and converted to standard gauge by its then owner L&N for the Civil War Centennial. It and a period style passenger car were carried around their system (and likely on other roads) on flat cars by L&N and unloaded and run on its on steam. I believe it was still operational when it went into the museum, but subsequent federal boiler regulations probably mean it will never steam again.? The Texas was stored/shown for decades in the basement of the building (in Grants Park I think) which held the Cyclorama. It was removed and sent to the transportation museum in Spencer NC for cosmetic restoration and returned to Atlanta for proud display in a new museum.? Charles?
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:45 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Thanks Charles! ? I was on ebay while you were probably sending me your text and I did purchase the vintage drive shaft just to get the train back on the tracks in the short run ? I endeavor to manufacture the highly modified drive shaft Alan Mueller designed (I have his book) which uses piano wire connected to brass stock end pieces in an attempt to hide the drive shaft vs the vintage one that looks like a telephone pole! ? Thanks for your reply! ? Jim ? ? Do an eBay search for “mantua general” and you can possibly find what you need. I saw several listings for driveshafts, for example.? Charles
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:04 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: All ? It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn! ? However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War) ? I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest. ? Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off. ? You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy! ? All the best, ? Jim Allison ?
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? ? ? ? ? ? Awesome!? Thanks for the responses! ? The loco I have just has bare shafts coming out of the motor and gear assy. ? So no “cups” and no “drive link/shaft”.?? ? Looking for a drive shaft “system” that will connect the tender motor shaft to the gear shaft in the locomotive. ? Much appreciated! ? Thx ? Jim ? ? I think I have a couple of these (Mantua and/or Tyco) in my collection... I have to hit the storage to see, but my inventory program says I have 2 "in the box" so they should have all the parts.? I might be able to take a picture of the piece to help in locating a replacement, if that would help.. or maybe get really lucky and have a IPB in one of the boxes. Unfortunately, that means a day or two for me to hit the storage and dig them out but..? I'll let you know what I find. On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 4:43:08 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote:? I found this... Seems Mr Allen was actively making parts for the loco, but passed away in 2018. Maybe someone else has picked up the challenge. | | Alan Mueller, Rebuilding the Mantua General Retail model locomotives for the American Civil War period (1861-1865) are almost non-existent for the HO scale ... |
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote:? Hello ? My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout. ? I now have (4) of these locomotives ? My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made. ? He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive. ? Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??).? ? I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement. ? Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group. ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
That would be Cass Scenic Railway.
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On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:12 PM, kathy allison < bryce01@...> wrote:
Charles, ? WOW!? You know your 440’s ? I do have the Disney book that details the 440 used there.? Oh to be wealthy and have real estate!? And time! ? Gotta get rolling on this project and then planning visits to notable train mecca’s in the USA!? I just love the sound of steam train whistles so I am gunna get to that place in west Virginia (name escapes me now) but love the shay’s there ? Very nice chatting with you ? Stay safe ? Jim Allison ? ? ? Disney made a version of “The General” which I believe started Fess Parker aka Davy Crockett aka Daniel Boone. No idea as to how authentic. Georgia has “The General” in a museum in Kennasaw and “The Texas” in a museum in Atlanta.? The General was restored to full operating condition and converted to standard gauge by its then owner L&N for the Civil War Centennial. It and a period style passenger car were carried around their system (and likely on other roads) on flat cars by L&N and unloaded and run on its on steam. I believe it was still operational when it went into the museum, but subsequent federal boiler regulations probably mean it will never steam again.? The Texas was stored/shown for decades in the basement of the building (in Grants Park I think) which held the Cyclorama. It was removed and sent to the transportation museum in Spencer NC for cosmetic restoration and returned to Atlanta for proud display in a new museum.? Charles?
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:45 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Thanks Charles! ? I was on ebay while you were probably sending me your text and I did purchase the vintage drive shaft just to get the train back on the tracks in the short run ? I endeavor to manufacture the highly modified drive shaft Alan Mueller designed (I have his book) which uses piano wire connected to brass stock end pieces in an attempt to hide the drive shaft vs the vintage one that looks like a telephone pole! ? Thanks for your reply! ? Jim ? ? Do an eBay search for “mantua general” and you can possibly find what you need. I saw several listings for driveshafts, for example.? Charles
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:04 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: All ? It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn! ? However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War) ? I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest. ? Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off. ? You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy! ? All the best, ? Jim Allison ?
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? ? ? ? ? ? Awesome!? Thanks for the responses! ? The loco I have just has bare shafts coming out of the motor and gear assy. ? So no “cups” and no “drive link/shaft”.?? ? Looking for a drive shaft “system” that will connect the tender motor shaft to the gear shaft in the locomotive. ? Much appreciated! ? Thx ? Jim ? ? I think I have a couple of these (Mantua and/or Tyco) in my collection... I have to hit the storage to see, but my inventory program says I have 2 "in the box" so they should have all the parts.? I might be able to take a picture of the piece to help in locating a replacement, if that would help.. or maybe get really lucky and have a IPB in one of the boxes. Unfortunately, that means a day or two for me to hit the storage and dig them out but..? I'll let you know what I find. On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 4:43:08 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote:? I found this... Seems Mr Allen was actively making parts for the loco, but passed away in 2018. Maybe someone else has picked up the challenge. | | Alan Mueller, Rebuilding the Mantua General Retail model locomotives for the American Civil War period (1861-1865) are almost non-existent for the HO scale ... |
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote:? Hello ? My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout. ? I now have (4) of these locomotives ? My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made. ? He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive. ? Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??).? ? I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement. ? Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group. ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
On 9/15/20 10:02 PM, Phil Edholm wrote:
8 feet is hard to
handle, I have 6 foot modules and they are as big as I would go.
Another thing to consider is
that in the future you might want to convert the layout from a
straight line to an L shape to fit an available room after a
move.? If your modules are 2' wide, a simple 2' square could
join them and it wouldn't even require legs.? Just something to
think about during design.
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Richard,
I worked for Aramco in Dhahran 10/79 thru 1/85 and 2/91 thru 11/03.? I built my RR in 1980.
When were you on Dhahran?? ?There wasn't a club in DH when I was there?
Ma'as salama,
Bill Jolitz?
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
? Quoting "I built a Timesaver 1-1/2 feet by 8 feet while in Saudi Arabia."
Where were you in Saudi Arabia?? I built my present German-outline N gauge layout while with BAe Systems at Tabuk, between 2001 and 2008. I also built most of a fairly large OO club layout at Tabuk, before Tabuk I helped build a OO club layout at Dhahran.
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Lots of comments, a couple from a modular modeler
8 feet is hard to handle, I have 6 foot modules and they are as big as I would go. Turning on the side will wreak havoc.? Go with?two 4 foot modules (same size for moving in a rack).?I would prefer both modules the same length?as I build a frame?to stack them.? I have done this?for two 4 foot modules?and the stack fits into an SUV and is not so wide then.? I used some scrap 1x3 to make a frame with screw holes to match the alignment holes.? Bolt them on and you can move the two modules as a four foot package.
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When you break the module, you have to get the tracks right so they align. We use table pins?to align the two modules?pieces?for connections within?a specific module set.? ?This is the interface between the two 6 foot modules for the?Moss Landing 12' module.
The pins align?the?boxes the?same?every time so the tracks align perfectly.
Also, the?rails must be well secured. This photo?shows ho each track goes from flex track glued to homabed on foam to wood with a Gapmaster glued down and the track soldered to the Gapmaster. This assures alignment and that the rails won't cup if the foam?shrinks slightly over time.
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Finally, make up two thin plywood plates to bolt onto the ends where the?exposed rails are during transport?so you do not snag them.
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Dave,
It would certainly be much easier to build your layout in two sections, both from a portability standpoint and from a don't-strain-your-back-from-lifting standpoint. Strictly speaking, you do not have to make both pieces exactly the same 2' x 4' size.? Consider your track plan.? Where would be the best place to break the layout?? Slavishly sticking to two same size pieces might limit your track planning - you don't want the section break to be under a turnout or a turntable or in the middle of a complex track arrangement.? Consider making your sections 2' x 5' and 2' x 3', for example.? Unless you plan to use this layout as part of a modular setup where the length of each module must be according to a specific modular standard, you could make your sections fit your track plan.? Maybe something like 2' x 3' 6" and 2' x 4' 6" sections would work better for your track plan?
V/r,
Casey Sterbenz
O Scale Kings #8
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Go with two sections but design your layout first. You may end up with? a 4' 6" and a 3' 6" board or similar depending on where your switches are located. It's far better to adjust the boards to suit the track plan rather than the other way around.
One of mine was 1 x 5' with 2 x 18"end modules. All of the switches were on the center 5' board which made the wiring easy.
Ken
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On 15/09/2020 10:50 am, Dave Adams wrote: I am planning to build a 2' x 8' shelf layout and wondering about the pros/cons of building it all in one piece or dividing it into 2 sections.? I am going to be building the layout and then transporting it 7 miles after completion.? I have a Toyota Sienna minivan and can probably get the whole 8' layout in if I laid it on it's side and have one end go up between the 2 front seats with the center console folded down.? There wouldn't be much room for scenery or structures at that end but maybe I could add those after it is transported.
The other option I am thinking of is build it in separate 2' x 4' sections that can be taken apart and reassembled once it is transported.? This will be my first layout so have a lot to learn.? Wanted to post here to see which way would make sense. Thanks!
Dave
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Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
Charles, ? WOW!? You know your 440’s ? I do have the Disney book that details the 440 used there.? Oh to be wealthy and have real estate!? And time! ? Gotta get rolling on this project and then planning visits to notable train mecca’s in the USA!? I just love the sound of steam train whistles so I am gunna get to that place in west Virginia (name escapes me now) but love the shay’s there ? Very nice chatting with you ? Stay safe ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft? Disney made a version of “The General” which I believe started Fess Parker aka Davy Crockett aka Daniel Boone. No idea as to how authentic. Georgia has “The General” in a museum in Kennasaw and “The Texas” in a museum in Atlanta.? The General was restored to full operating condition and converted to standard gauge by its then owner L&N for the Civil War Centennial. It and a period style passenger car were carried around their system (and likely on other roads) on flat cars by L&N and unloaded and run on its on steam. I believe it was still operational when it went into the museum, but subsequent federal boiler regulations probably mean it will never steam again.? The Texas was stored/shown for decades in the basement of the building (in Grants Park I think) which held the Cyclorama. It was removed and sent to the transportation museum in Spencer NC for cosmetic restoration and returned to Atlanta for proud display in a new museum.? Charles?
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:45 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Thanks Charles! ? I was on ebay while you were probably sending me your text and I did purchase the vintage drive shaft just to get the train back on the tracks in the short run ? I endeavor to manufacture the highly modified drive shaft Alan Mueller designed (I have his book) which uses piano wire connected to brass stock end pieces in an attempt to hide the drive shaft vs the vintage one that looks like a telephone pole! ? Thanks for your reply! ? Jim ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Brumbelow via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft ? Do an eBay search for “mantua general” and you can possibly find what you need. I saw several listings for driveshafts, for example.? Charles
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:04 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: All ? It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn! ? However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War) ? I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest. ? Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off. ? You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy! ? All the best, ? Jim Allison ?
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? ? ? ? ? ? Awesome!? Thanks for the responses! ? The loco I have just has bare shafts coming out of the motor and gear assy. ? So no “cups” and no “drive link/shaft”.? ? Looking for a drive shaft “system” that will connect the tender motor shaft to the gear shaft in the locomotive. ? Much appreciated! ? Thx ? Jim ? ? I think I have a couple of these (Mantua and/or Tyco) in my collection... I have to hit the storage to see, but my inventory program says I have 2 "in the box" so they should have all the parts.? I might be able to take a picture of the piece to help in locating a replacement, if that would help.. or maybe get really lucky and have a IPB in one of the boxes. Unfortunately, that means a day or two for me to hit the storage and dig them out but..? I'll let you know what I find. On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 4:43:08 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote: I found this... Seems Mr Allen was actively making parts for the loco, but passed away in 2018. Maybe someone else has picked up the challenge. | | Alan Mueller, Rebuilding the Mantua General Retail model locomotives for the American Civil War period (1861-1865) are almost non-existent for the HO scale ... |
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Hello ? My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout. ? I now have (4) of these locomotives ? My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made. ? He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive. ? Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??). ? I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement. ? Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group. ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
If you pair up the endpapers of your two section and bore for T-nuts. Insert and anchor the nuts then bore out the threads of one so a bolt will pass through and screw into the other. The bored T-nut will act as a sleeve protecting the wood end plate.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:46 PM, Thomas Knapp <thomasknapp@...> wrote: Dave, I have uploaded an article to a folder titled “Dowl Pins” in the “Files” section of this group which shows the use of Freeman patternmaker dowl pins and sockets to align modules. It includes the manufacturer’s information. The elaborate jigs and rigorous efforts to duplicate dowel positions and spacing from one module to another described in the article are not necessary for a one-owner sectional layout, but these are very good dowels and sockets for sectional layouts. My friends in the UK use a different dowel and socket intended for furniture; I will try and find that info and upload it to the same folder. As an alternative, I have pressed in brass tube in the end frame of some of my layout sections, and fitted the mating section with a bit of brass rod I turned to the right diameter. Works. For my current layout, I forego dowels, just visually align everything as I tighten the bolts. Tom K. ? ? ? Thanks for all the helpful replies. I should have mentioned that I am most likely going to move it one time from where I am building it at to my home. As an aside I'm not sure how easy it is to get a 2 by 8 layout the stairs into a bedroom.? A lot of good points for building in two different sections.? I will check out the links to the joining methods and appreciate all the information, photos and help!
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Dave, I have uploaded an article to a folder titled “Dowl Pins” in the “Files” section of this group which shows the use of Freeman patternmaker dowl pins and sockets to align modules. It includes the manufacturer’s information. The elaborate jigs and rigorous efforts to duplicate dowel positions and spacing from one module to another described in the article are not necessary for a one-owner sectional layout, but these are very good dowels and sockets for sectional layouts. My friends in the UK use a different dowel and socket intended for furniture; I will try and find that info and upload it to the same folder. As an alternative, I have pressed in brass tube in the end frame of some of my layout sections, and fitted the mating section with a bit of brass rod I turned to the right diameter. Works. For my current layout, I forego dowels, just visually align everything as I tighten the bolts. Tom K. ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Adams Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:22 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one? ? Thanks for all the helpful replies. I should have mentioned that I am most likely going to move it one time from where I am building it at to my home. As an aside I'm not sure how easy it is to get a 2 by 8 layout the stairs into a bedroom.? A lot of good points for building in two different sections.? I will check out the links to the joining methods and appreciate all the information, photos and help!
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An article on fitting layout modules with dowel pins. NOTE: The somewhat elaborate jig is NOT NECESSARY when using these pins with sectional layouts where the sections are built to go together in one way.
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Thanks for all the helpful replies. I should have mentioned that I am most likely going to move it one time from where I am building it at to my home. As an aside I'm not sure how easy it is to get a 2 by 8 layout the stairs into a bedroom.? A lot of good points for building in two different sections.? I will check out the links to the joining methods and appreciate all the information, photos and help!
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Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
Disney made a version of “The General” which I believe started Fess Parker aka Davy Crockett aka Daniel Boone. No idea as to how authentic. Georgia has “The General” in a museum in Kennasaw and “The Texas” in a museum in Atlanta.?
The General was restored to full operating condition and converted to standard gauge by its then owner L&N for the Civil War Centennial. It and a period style passenger car were carried around their system (and likely on other roads) on flat cars by L&N and unloaded and run on its on steam. I believe it was still operational when it went into the museum, but subsequent federal boiler regulations probably mean it will never steam again.?
The Texas was stored/shown for decades in the basement of the building (in Grants Park I think) which held the Cyclorama. It was removed and sent to the transportation museum in Spencer NC for cosmetic restoration and returned to Atlanta for proud display in a new museum.?
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:45 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Thanks Charles! ? I was on ebay while you were probably sending me your text and I did purchase the vintage drive shaft just to get the train back on the tracks in the short run ? I endeavor to manufacture the highly modified drive shaft Alan Mueller designed (I have his book) which uses piano wire connected to brass stock end pieces in an attempt to hide the drive shaft vs the vintage one that looks like a telephone pole! ? Thanks for your reply! ? Jim ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Brumbelow via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft ? Do an eBay search for “mantua general” and you can possibly find what you need. I saw several listings for driveshafts, for example.? Charles
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:04 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: All ? It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn! ? However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War) ? I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest. ? Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off. ? You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy! ? All the best, ? Jim Allison ?
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Hello ? My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout. ? I now have (4) of these locomotives ? My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made. ? He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive. ? Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??). ? I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement. ? Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group. ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
Thanks Charles! ? I was on ebay while you were probably sending me your text and I did purchase the vintage drive shaft just to get the train back on the tracks in the short run ? I endeavor to manufacture the highly modified drive shaft Alan Mueller designed (I have his book) which uses piano wire connected to brass stock end pieces in an attempt to hide the drive shaft vs the vintage one that looks like a telephone pole! ? Thanks for your reply! ? Jim ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Brumbelow via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft? Do an eBay search for “mantua general” and you can possibly find what you need. I saw several listings for driveshafts, for example.? Charles
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:04 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: All ? It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn! ? However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War) ? I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest. ? Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off. ? You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy! ? All the best, ? Jim Allison ?
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? ? ? ? ? ? Awesome!? Thanks for the responses! ? The loco I have just has bare shafts coming out of the motor and gear assy. ? So no “cups” and no “drive link/shaft”.? ? Looking for a drive shaft “system” that will connect the tender motor shaft to the gear shaft in the locomotive. ? Much appreciated! ? Thx ? Jim ? ? I think I have a couple of these (Mantua and/or Tyco) in my collection... I have to hit the storage to see, but my inventory program says I have 2 "in the box" so they should have all the parts.? I might be able to take a picture of the piece to help in locating a replacement, if that would help.. or maybe get really lucky and have a IPB in one of the boxes. Unfortunately, that means a day or two for me to hit the storage and dig them out but..? I'll let you know what I find. On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 4:43:08 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote: I found this... Seems Mr Allen was actively making parts for the loco, but passed away in 2018. Maybe someone else has picked up the challenge. | | Alan Mueller, Rebuilding the Mantua General Retail model locomotives for the American Civil War period (1861-1865) are almost non-existent for the HO scale ... |
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Hello ? My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout. ? I now have (4) of these locomotives ? My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made. ? He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive. ? Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??). ? I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement. ? Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group. ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
Do an eBay search for “mantua general” and you can possibly find what you need. I saw several listings for driveshafts, for example.?
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 4:04 PM, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: All ? It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn! ? However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War) ? I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest. ? Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off. ? You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy! ? All the best, ? Jim Allison ?
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? ? ? ? ? ? Awesome!? Thanks for the responses! ? The loco I have just has bare shafts coming out of the motor and gear assy. ? So no “cups” and no “drive link/shaft”.? ? Looking for a drive shaft “system” that will connect the tender motor shaft to the gear shaft in the locomotive. ? Much appreciated! ? Thx ? Jim ? ? I think I have a couple of these (Mantua and/or Tyco) in my collection... I have to hit the storage to see, but my inventory program says I have 2 "in the box" so they should have all the parts.? I might be able to take a picture of the piece to help in locating a replacement, if that would help.. or maybe get really lucky and have a IPB in one of the boxes. Unfortunately, that means a day or two for me to hit the storage and dig them out but..? I'll let you know what I find. On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 4:43:08 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote: I found this... Seems Mr Allen was actively making parts for the loco, but passed away in 2018. Maybe someone else has picked up the challenge. | | Alan Mueller, Rebuilding the Mantua GeneralRetail model locomotives for the American Civil War period (1861-1865) are almost non-existent for the HO scale ... |
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Hello ? My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout. ? I now have (4) of these locomotives ? My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made. ? He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive. ? Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??). ? I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement. ? Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group. ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
Dave, I suggest dividing into sections. I have (a) moved 9 times in the past forty years, and (b) taken layouts or portions of layouts to many NMRA, NNGC and local train shows over the same period of time. One of my sectional layouts which went to many train shows (Stove Pipe Wells – photo below) was the subject of feature articles in the magazines: Model Railroader, December 2006 and N Scale, May-June 2007. The advantages of smaller sections are: - Easier to move by oneself, especially as you grow older (A 24” x 48” size section will fit on the back seat of most sedans – Jim Fitzgerald’s reasoning in specifying this size for NTRAK modules))
- Ability to move the section to a location/position where you can easily work on it
- Provides a more definable and achievable “scope of work” and provides that invaluable “reinforcement” of accomplishment
- Less subject to damage during transport
- Ability to isolate electrical issues (one of my persistent bug-a-boos)
- Ability to get some operations going on completed sections before completing the entire layout (not so much an issue with only two sections)
- Ability to plan for and incorporate features allowing future sections to be added
The disadvantages are: - Alignment of sections on assembly (use of patternmaker’s or furniture dowels can minimize this difficulty)
- Disguising joints between sections (they are invisible on the Stove Pipe Wells layout)
I am currently building a new sectional layout based on the Pacific Coast Railway of the central California coast (circa 1928) and the construction of this layout is the subject of a series of articles in N Scale magazine; Part 10 of that series has just gone to the printer. One thing I have done on this current layout is to support the entire layout on an open grid “shelf” supported by 21” steel shelf angles on the walls of the room I have it in. All the stringers on the shelf are level and aligned, so I don’t have to deal with separate legs on the layout sections. The sections just plop on the shelf and slide over to the next section to which they are bolted with a pair of bolts. The sections are framed with 1 x 2 poplar with a 3/16” ply top so very light. If taken to a train show, they can be set up on the typical convention/trade show folding table. Molex plugs attach each section to the next electrically. Which ever way you go – HAVE FUN. And please share your progress with this group. Tom K. 
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Adams Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:50 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [small-layout-design] 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one? ? I am planning to build a 2' x 8' shelf layout and wondering about the pros/cons of building it all in one piece or dividing it into 2 sections.? I am going to be building the layout and then transporting it 7 miles after completion.? I have a Toyota Sienna minivan and can probably get the whole 8' layout in if I laid it on it's side and have one end go up between the 2 front seats with the center console folded down.? There wouldn't be much room for scenery or structures at that end but maybe I could add those after it is transported.??
The other option I am thinking of is build it in separate 2' x 4' sections that can be taken apart and reassembled once it is transported.? This will be my first layout so have a lot to learn.? Wanted to post here to see which way would make sense.? Thanks!
Dave
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Re: Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft
All ? It has been a while since I reached out to the group for info regarding rebuilding a 440 General.? I did get Alan Mueller’s books and have pulled together all the resources needed to start this project.? Now I just need to get-er-dunn! ? However, Covid put a damper on starting my project (I did not contract the disease) but while I was confined I did stumble upon an old silent movie called “The General” starring Buster Keaton.? (a comedic spin on the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War) ? I was quite astounded by the rare footage of the 440 locomotives (General & Texas along with rolling stock) that will serve as historical data when building these locomotives for anyone that has an interest. ? Else, just watching an old silent movie starring the 440 was time well spent.? I am amazed at the stunts he pulled off. ? You all might already know about this info but if not please enjoy! ? All the best, ? Jim Allison ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kathy allison
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 6:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Seeking info for Mantua General 4-4-0 locomotive drive link/shaft? Awesome!? Thanks for the responses! ? The loco I have just has bare shafts coming out of the motor and gear assy. ? So no “cups” and no “drive link/shaft”.? ? Looking for a drive shaft “system” that will connect the tender motor shaft to the gear shaft in the locomotive. ? Much appreciated! ? Thx ? Jim ? ? I think I have a couple of these (Mantua and/or Tyco) in my collection... I have to hit the storage to see, but my inventory program says I have 2 "in the box" so they should have all the parts.? I might be able to take a picture of the piece to help in locating a replacement, if that would help.. or maybe get really lucky and have a IPB in one of the boxes. Unfortunately, that means a day or two for me to hit the storage and dig them out but..? I'll let you know what I find. On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 4:43:08 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote: I found this... Seems Mr Allen was actively making parts for the loco, but passed away in 2018. Maybe someone else has picked up the challenge. | | Alan Mueller, Rebuilding the Mantua GeneralRetail model locomotives for the American Civil War period (1861-1865) are almost non-existent for the HO scale ... |
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On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 10:10:14 PM EDT, kathy allison <bryce01@...> wrote: Hello ? My name is Jim Allison.? Initial interest is in resurrecting an old locomotive (Mantua General 4-4-0) and then onto a small layout. ? I now have (4) of these locomotives ? My interest goes back to my childhood (in the 60’s) when I used to watch this locomotive and passenger car set go round and round the Christmas tree simple loop layout my dad made. ? He has passed (2013) and I have the old locomotive and passenger car set and want to get it running.? The locomotive is missing the drive shaft/linkage from the tender motor to the gear drive in the locomotive. ? Does anyone know where I can get a drive shaft?? I believe the correct PN is 18596 (w/o the plastic hex knuckles – just a straight piece of flex rubber??). ? I did see some info on Mr. Alan Mueller (I just purchased his 3 books) and look forward to adapting his work to this unit if I cannot find a simple replacement. ? Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as accepting me to your group. ? Jim Allison ? ?
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Re: 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
I'm considering 2- 2x4 modules. Each one has a backdrop wall on one short and one long side. When separated it serves as a support? to make it into a stacked box with all the structures still on the layout. The backdrops could be 8- 12 inches high.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Dave Adams <adamsdp@...> Date: 9/15/20 09:02 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [small-layout-design] 2' x 8' Shelf layout - two sections or one?
I am planning to build a 2' x 8' shelf layout and wondering about the pros/cons of building it all in one piece or dividing it into 2 sections.? I am going to be building the layout and then transporting it 7 miles after completion.? I have a Toyota Sienna minivan and can probably get the whole 8' layout in if I laid it on it's side and have one end go up between the 2 front seats with the center console folded down.? There wouldn't be much room for scenery or structures at that end but maybe I could add those after it is transported.?? The other option I am thinking of is build it in separate 2' x 4' sections that can be taken apart and reassembled once it is transported.? This will be my first layout so have a lot to learn.? Wanted to post here to see which way would make sense.? Thanks! Dave
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