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Re: Can you help?
Thank you Peggy and Eric for your suggestion! We think you guys are both right but we just don’t understand why Merlin couldn’t identify it! I guess we were mislead by the fact that they were landing upside down and Nuthatches are famous for that but it doesn’t mean other birds don’t do it too! Thanks again for your help!
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On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Clifford Hawley <yellowhammerCA@...> wrote:
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-------- Original message -------- From: Clifford Hawley <yellowhammerCA@...> Date: 1/10/21 2:12 PM (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [sacramento-birds] Can you help? These are Bushtits. The low light is causing your camera to color correct gray as blue.? Cliff Hawley Sacramento, CA On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:18 PM Di <2curiousdi@...> wrote:
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Oh dang!? I looked at Mountain Bluebird because I thought that Di mentioned that the turquoise blue color caught their eyes.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Peggy Andrews <peggy.andrews@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:39 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [sacramento-birds] Can you help? ?
a Mountain Bluebird?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Di <2curiousdi@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:18 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [sacramento-birds] Can you help? ?
We were crossing the bridge behind the visitor center at the Cosumnes River Preserve late Friday afternoon (about 4:45) when we?noticed
a group of about twenty small birds with bright turquoise-blue feathers moving about in the marsh area to the left of the bridge.?Their turquoise color was so striking against the orangey-red brush!?They
would only land on a branch for a few seconds and would always land upside down so we were assuming they were some type of nuthatch.?
But when we got home and checked, for the first time ever, our bird ID app (Merlin through Cornell) said it was “unable to identify this bird”! The photos are a bit blurry as they were quite
far away but we’ve had blurrier photos of incomplete birds that were easily identified by Merlin so we are stumped! Would any of you have an idea of what these little guys could be??
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Re: Can you help?
Thank you Clifford and Stephen! We looked up bushtits and the chubby body shape is absolutely spot-on! But the birds really were blue- that’s what caught our eye! We know all about the camera putting a bluish cast on gray in low light- Morris has seen that many times- but the light wasn’t really that low yet and the birds really did look sky blue to our naked eye- not just the camera’s eye!
We looked up mountain bluebird on the Cornell site and one of the photos looks exactly like our little mystery bird ! We can’t understand why Merlin doesn’t identify it as such since the photo on their site looks just like the little guy in our photo! Please scroll down to see the photo of a screenshot of Merlin‘s response and also of the photo from their site of a mountain bluebird… |
Re: Can you help?
Definitely a male Mountain Bluebird - only one with a light blue belly (Charming picture!) Bess L. Hadley On Sunday, January 10, 2021, 02:02:29 PM PST, odonata23 <odonata23@...> wrote: Looks like an adult male Mountain Bluebird based on color, apparent size, beak color & shape, range, your description it was in brush with about 20 other birds, and time of year (winter) from checklist of the Birds of the Sacramento area. Nice! Eric Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: Di <2curiousdi@...> Date: 1/10/21 1:18 PM (GMT-08:00) Subject: [sacramento-birds] Can you help? We were crossing the bridge behind the visitor center at the Cosumnes River Preserve late Friday afternoon (about 4:45) when we?noticed a group of about twenty small birds with bright turquoise-blue feathers moving about in the marsh area to the left of the bridge.?Their turquoise color was so striking against the orangey-red brush!?They would only land on a branch for a few seconds and would always land upside down so we were assuming they were some type of nuthatch.? But when we got home and checked, for the first time ever, our bird ID app (Merlin through Cornell) said it was “unable to identify this bird”! The photos are a bit blurry as they were quite far away but we’ve had blurrier photos of incomplete birds that were easily identified by Merlin so we are stumped! Would any of you have an idea of what these little guys could be?? |
Re: Can you help?
I appreciate that the bird appears blue. It is a common issue in birds with gray plumage that they can appear blue because of the lighting. Perception of color is a tricky business. Everything you describe about the habitat, the behavior and appearance other than the color matches Bushtits and is unlike Mountain Bluebirds. The picture you took really clinches it. That dangling upside down while foraging is classic Bushtit behavior. Mountain Bluebirds behave much like Say's Phoebes and forage from fences or by hovering over grassy fields and dropping down on prey.? Cliff Hawley Sacramento, CA On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 2:35 PM Di <2curiousdi@...> wrote: Thank you Clifford and Stephen! We looked up bushtits and the chubby body shape is absolutely spot-on! But the birds really were blue- that’s what caught our eye! We know all about the camera putting a bluish cast on gray in low light- Morris has seen that many times- but the light wasn’t really that low yet and the birds really did look sky blue to our naked eye- not just the camera’s eye! |
Re: Can you help?
Thanks, Cliff! It’s just so weird that Merlin did not identify the bird when it looks exactly like one of the photos on their site of a mountain bluebird! Audubon said mountain bluebirds are very common in this area in the winter but as you say, you do have to take into account their behavior as well as their appearance- being in a flock and foraging upside down like that. We will just have to go out and get a better look at them in the daylight and see if they still look sky blue! Thanks to all for your input!
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Do bluebirds often eat upside down?? On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 14:02 odonata23 <odonata23@...> wrote:
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Re: Can you help?
Di, I could not have said it any better than Cliff regarding color, structure and behavior. These are definitely Bushtits.? While Mountain Bluebirds can be found in the greater Sacramento area in winter, they are actually very uncommon at Cosumnes River Preserve. Two were seen on a fence line in 2018 but the only other reports on eBird were in 1995 and 1991. So for 20 to show up it would be very unusual. Regardless, the structure of the bird is wrong. For one thing, the length of the wings on the bushtit are much shorter than the wings vs tail of a mountain bluebird.? Merlin probably couldn’t ID because the color didn’t match the structure. I would trust Cliff, an experienced birder, over Merlin any day. I have tested Merlin on several occasions, and while it is a good resource, it has sometimes been wrong or unhelpful regarding common birds. I always recommend using several resources when trying to identify an unfamiliar bird: apps are good, but so are books like Sibley, National Geographic, photos, and of course the advice of an experienced birder. I would never discourage returning to form your own opinions about the birds, and definitely continuing to observe birds regularly to get used to their behaviors and structure. For me, when I was first learning, I found that it was easy to get caught up in plumage markers when structure and behavior were just as important. This is especially because our perception can be influenced by light, distance, and any number of other factors. I hope this is helpful! I am always learning myself, and it is such a good idea to ask for advice on this forum! My best, Sarah Newton-Scott Sacramento, CA On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:19 PM Di <2curiousdi@...> wrote: Thanks, Cliff! It’s just so weird that Merlin did not identify the bird when it looks exactly like one of the photos on their site of a mountain bluebird! Audubon said mountain bluebirds are very common in this area in the winter but as you say, you do have to take into account their behavior as well as their appearance- being in a flock and foraging upside down like that. We will just have to go out and get a better look at them in the daylight and see if they still look sky blue! Thanks to all for your input! |
Re: Coming up! Great Backyard Bird Count
开云体育This is so great! I’ve always wanted to do this but have never taken the time. (thank you, global pandemic!)?Does anyone know if there’s a coordinated approach to this in Sacramento? Do people ever sign up to cover certain areas? Or is it really just crowd sourced data wherever and whenever during these four days?? ? |
Re: Coming up! Great Backyard Bird Count
It truly is a backyard count - do it where ever you like - backyard, local park, state park, national wildlife refuge.? Do it by yourself, or with friends, or family.? Do it one day or all 4, what ever works for you. Just remember to enter the data on their website -?https://www.birdcount.org/? -----Original Message-----
From: Bernadette Del Chiaro <bernadette@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2021 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [sacramento-birds] Coming up! Great Backyard Bird Count This is so great! I’ve always wanted to do this but have never taken the time. (thank you, global pandemic!)?
Does anyone know if there’s a coordinated approach to this in Sacramento? Do people ever sign up to cover certain areas? Or is it really just crowd sourced data wherever and whenever during these four days??
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On Jan 12, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Subhash Chand via <SubhashC@...> wrote: It truly is a backyard count - do it where ever you like - backyard, local park, state park, national wildlife refuge.? Do it by yourself, or with friends, or family.? Do it one day or all 4, what ever works for you. Just remember to enter the data on their website -??
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From: Bernadette Del Chiaro <bernadette@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2021 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [sacramento-birds] Coming up! Great Backyard Bird Count This is so great! I’ve always wanted to do this but have never taken the time. (thank you, global pandemic!)?
Does anyone know if there’s a coordinated approach to this in Sacramento? Do people ever sign up to cover certain areas? Or is it really just crowd sourced data wherever and whenever during these four days??
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On Jan 12, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Subhash Chand via groups.io <SubhashC@...> wrote:
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It is really anywhere you want. Some people have their favorite patch that they cover or just count their yard. I usually like to hit a few underbirded spots in my 5 mile radius for that patch list. Just use eBird to submit data in that window and it will contribute to the count.? Cliff Hawley Sacramento, CA On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 12:10 PM Bernadette Del Chiaro <bernadette@...> wrote:
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Re: The common Red-tailed Hawk
开云体育WOW!! Great photos!! You can really see the detail in the plumage! Never knew there were so many different patterns and types of feathers! Thanks for sharing those, Troy! ?If you wouldn’t mind divulging, what type of lens are you using?On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Troy Edson-Smith <troyes@...> wrote:
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