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Internet provision at a remote repeater site?


 

I am the keeper of GB3VS a UHF repeater in the UK .it operates using the ARCOM 210 controller ..which has 2 spare channels
I am considering connecting it into the Allstar network but the site has no internet.
We are a small group with limited resources so a a mobile SIM is not really an option. My home QTH is approx 500M from the repeater site. I am therefore looking at how I might extend a data link from my home to the site ?
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Alternatively link the repeater raw audio ( without callsign, time announcements etc) to my home QTH where it could routed into my hotspot Raspberry Pi.
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I am sure that someone must have attempted this at some stage?


 

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Do you have line of sight to the repeater?

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Matt

AL0R

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adrian G4UVZ via groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2025 07:50
To: [email protected]
Subject: [repeater-builder] Internet provision at a remote repeater site?

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I am the keeper of GB3VS a UHF repeater in the UK .it operates using the ARCOM 210 controller ..which has 2 spare channels

I am considering connecting it into the Allstar network but the site has no internet.

We are a small group with limited resources so a a mobile SIM is not really an option. My home QTH is approx 500M from the repeater site. I am therefore looking at how I might extend a data link from my home to the site ?

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Alternatively link the repeater raw audio ( without callsign, time announcements etc) to my home QTH where it could routed into my hotspot Raspberry Pi.

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I am sure that someone must have attempted this at some stage?


 

Use an external Yagi for the wifi...they work great ...use them all the time with BDAs...500mtrs should not be a problem with them...does your wifi router have external antenna connectors??

Chris WB5ITT?

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:49 AM Adrian G4UVZ via <adrianwhatmore248=[email protected]> wrote:
I am the keeper of GB3VS a UHF repeater in the UK .it operates using the ARCOM 210 controller ..which has 2 spare channels
I am considering connecting it into the Allstar network but the site has no internet.
We are a small group with limited resources so a a mobile SIM is not really an option. My home QTH is approx 500M from the repeater site. I am therefore looking at how I might extend a data link from my home to the site ?
?
Alternatively link the repeater raw audio ( without callsign, time announcements etc) to my home QTH where it could routed into my hotspot Raspberry Pi.
?
I am sure that someone must have attempted this at some stage?


 

Adrian,
If you have line of site or you can make a LOS shot a pair of Ubquiti 5GHz radios configured as an Ethernet bridge.? 500m should no problem.? I suggest 5GHz if it is available in your country because 2.4GHz is an RF cesspool with only 3 channels due to overlap here in the US, with billions and billions of IOT on that spectrum.

I use them all the time on camera systems and even remote my HF station, IRLP & DMR repeater on the same link.? There are many vendors of similar radios but these have proven to be very reliable.? I have one link that has been running over 10 years and I have not done anything except upgrade the firmware every so often.

Good luck!
K1IMD


 

if you have line of site??
then a pair of these little cheap beauties will give buckets of bandwidth
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we have wifi links from as short as 1.3 miles to as far as 29 miles??
all done on 5Ghz wifi


 

We load AREDN code into them and get 4 additional channels above the Pt 15 band and it is all amateur
radio based.??
Here is the AREDN Web Site:
That is for the jackwipes that make noise about linking repeaters over the internet, this uses all of the same
protocols but under Pt 97 (USA Rules), there is AREDN in the UK because there are a bunch of nodes on
the dynamic map.?

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 11:39?AM k9wkj via <k9wkjham=[email protected]> wrote:
if you have line of site??
then a pair of these little cheap beauties will give buckets of bandwidth
?
we have wifi links from as short as 1.3 miles to as far as 29 miles??
all done on 5Ghz wifi



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Chuck -- KP4DJT
AREDN Meshphone # 405.2005 and 405.2013
HamHotline # 11259
DMR ID 3140958


 

I likewise use AREDN for all my links between repeater sites. No monthly fees and the hardware can be quite inexpensive when purchased off Ebay.





Ken





At 10:08 AM 3/19/2025, you wrote:

We load AREDN code into them and get 4 additional channels above the Pt 15 band and it is all amateur
radio based.? ?
Here is the AREDN Web Site:

That is for the jackwipes that make noise about linking repeaters over the internet, this uses all of the same
protocols but under Pt 97 (USA Rules), there is AREDN in the UK because there are a bunch of nodes on
the dynamic map.?


On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 11:39?€?AM k9wkj via <k9wkjham=[email protected] > wrote:
if you have line of site? ?
then a pair of these little cheap beauties will give buckets of bandwidth

?
we have wifi links from as short as 1.3 miles to as far as 29 miles? ?
all done on 5Ghz wifi



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HamHotline # 11259
DMR ID 3140958
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If AllStar is all you want to accomplish, you could just set up an AllStar node and set it to TX on your repeater's receive frequency and RX on your repeater's transmit frequency, just like how you would program any other radio for that repeater.
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That way, you can keep the AllStar node at home, where you have reliable internet, and make an RF link to the repeater.?


 

Not quite so simple. You need to get rid of the repeater IDs and any courtesy tones.

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sepehr - N6IRN via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 03:15:51 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Internet provision at a remote repeater site?

If AllStar is all you want to accomplish, you could just set up an
AllStar node and set it to TX on your repeater's receive frequency and RX on your repeater's transmit frequency, just like how you would program any other radio for that repeater.

That way, you can keep the AllStar node at home, where you have
reliable internet, and make an RF link to the repeater.




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And hang times...

So you set up the repeater to transmit PL only during active receive. The COR drops, the tone stops, and the CT, ID and hang time are now invisible to the Allstar receiver.

Chuck
WB2EDV



On 3/22/2025 9:15 PM, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) via groups.io wrote:

Not quite so simple. You need to get rid of the repeater IDs and any courtesy tones.

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sepehr - N6IRN via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 03:15:51 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Internet provision at a remote repeater site?

> If AllStar is all you want to accomplish, you could just set up an AllStar node and set it to TX on your repeater's receive frequency and RX on your repeater's transmit frequency, just like how you would program any other radio for that repeater.
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> That way, you can keep the AllStar node at home, where you have reliable internet, and make an RF link to the repeater.
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Sending IDs, courtesy times, etc. down all-star is big no no.....

The uplink would also have to be legally IDed in the US under part 97 rules

Chris WB5ITT?

On Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:15 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) via <tarra=[email protected]> wrote:

Not quite so simple. You need to get rid of the repeater IDs and any
courtesy tones.

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sepehr - N6IRN via "
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 03:15:51 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Internet provision at a remote repeater
site?

?> If AllStar is all you want to accomplish, you could just set up an
AllStar node and set it to TX on your repeater's receive frequency and
RX on your repeater's transmit frequency, just like how you would
program any other radio for that repeater.
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?> That way, you can keep the AllStar node at home, where you have
reliable internet, and make an RF link to the repeater.
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Or HamVOIP or IRLP or most any kind of link that is not your own.

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Boone WB5ITT via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 08:04:17 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Internet provision at a remote repeater site?

Sending IDs, courtesy times, etc. down all-star is big no no.....

The uplink would also have to be legally IDed in the US under part 97
rules

Chris WB5ITT

On Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:15 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association
(TARRA) via groups.io wrote:

Not quite so simple. You need to get rid of the repeater IDs and any
courtesy tones.

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sepehr - N6IRN via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 03:15:51 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Internet provision at a remote
repeater
site?

If AllStar is all you want to accomplish, you could just set up an
AllStar node and set it to TX on your repeater's receive frequency and
RX on your repeater's transmit frequency, just like how you would
program any other radio for that repeater.

That way, you can keep the AllStar node at home, where you have
reliable internet, and make an RF link to the repeater.





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We use downhill signaling for our .88 repeater for Echolink in Spokane. I installed a simple (NPN) switch on the CG encoder since it already has that feature (CG disable).
Works great using a control station. Also works with IRLP (in a past project).
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