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Help w/ RC-1000 Audio

Matthew Janusauskas
 

Hi group,

We are trying to make an older model RC-1000 controller by MicroComputer
Concepte work with a VHF Micor. The audio sounds very harsh and tinny.
Anyone have any experience or advice to make the repeat audio sound better?

Thanks for the ideas!

-Matt


master 2

mike dewaele
 

Hi all<

I want to thank everyone who answered my request for a master 2 uhf
radio...The response was over whelming.....I did find what i was looking
for and it's on it's way....I can't believe how easy it was to
find.....Thanks again to all the e-mailed me...

Mike KA2NDW


Re: Help w/ RC-1000 Audio

 

In a message dated 99-04-28 20:57:34 EDT, Matthew Janusauskas
<w21@...>
wrote:

<< Hi group,

We are trying to make an older model RC-1000 controller by MicroComputer
Concepte work with a VHF Micor. The audio sounds very harsh and tinny.
Anyone have any experience or advice to make the repeat audio sound better?
>>

One thing we did with some RC1000's we've used here in Raleigh (mostly as
short-term controllers 'til we can upgrade to something with more features)
was to replace ALL of the tantalum electrolytic capacitors with same value,
non-polarized. I was fortunate to have a friend who could get me engineering
samples of a ceramic-type, in just about the same physical size.

What I had learned was that tantalum caps, while normally very 'capacitive'
for its size, do not do well with >passing< audio. And it was made even
worse the day I was doing some work on the controller and managaed to key up
the HT too close to the controller board. It basically fried the tantalums.
This was confirmed by an other tech in an engineering design department that
tantalums do fry with too much RF. Made the audio icky-poo, for lack of a
better term. Very distorted. Can't remember if there was a hi-freq. or low
freq. effect. Just that it happened.

Replaced said tant's with the others, audio became more wonderful.

Ron does a nice controller for the price. It's response to programming
commands leaves a bit to be desired, but for getting on the air, cheap, with
a patch, it's OK.

Chuk Gleason
kb4mdz


Re: Using Antenna tuners?

Tedd Doda
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:15:06 -0400, Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785 wrote:

Well, that will make for an interesting experiment.
I would agree to use a tuner between the feedline and
the repeater. My suggestion would be to tune for lowest
tx swr. You probably will lose some on the rx, but bad
sensitivity is easier to live with than fried PA transistors!
My feeling exactly! We have a rigger coming to change our
VHF antenna and feedline at the same site (different tower),
so I may ask him how much he would charge just to install a
shorting strap on each dipole (can't make it much worse, hi).


Tedd Doda CET CEO

Lazer Audio and Electronics

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Re: Using Antenna tuners?

Carl Di Paolo
 

Tedd Doda wrote:

From: "Tedd Doda" <lazer@...>

On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:15:06 -0400, Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785 wrote:

Well, that will make for an interesting experiment.
I would agree to use a tuner between the feedline and
the repeater. My suggestion would be to tune for lowest
tx swr. You probably will lose some on the rx, but bad
sensitivity is easier to live with than fried PA transistors!
My feeling exactly! We have a rigger coming to change our
VHF antenna and feedline at the same site (different tower),
so I may ask him how much he would charge just to install a
shorting strap on each dipole (can't make it much worse, hi).

Tedd Doda CET CEO


I wonder about the use of a shorting strap. We
use VHF loops (DB-224)from commercial stuff on 2
meters by adding a stub on the end of the loop.

So the total length is what counts. If you strap
the loop, it may go up in freq, but I bet not much.
Unfortunately, the loops are probably frozen and can
not be smacked shorter.

Good luck, I do not want to rain on the parade,
but it may be worth trying on the ground first,
this one knows how much to "strap short" or
shorten the elements 73 carl w7exh


Re: Using Antenna tuners?

Tedd Doda
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:17:47 -0400, Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785 wrote:

How high is the antenna? Is it feasible to get it down and trim it to the
correct freq?
The antenna is 400 feet up, on the side of a 600+ foot tower.
We were contemplating getting a rigger up and at least put
a shorting bar on the dipoles, but the TV station is replacing
the Tower within the next 3 years and we (the club) can't
justify it at this time.

How much feedline is between the ant and the tuner???
It's 1/2" Andrews Heliax, and from the antenna to the shack
I would say maybe about 475 feet? The shack is about 75
feet from the tower, plus the 400 feet to the antenna.

Your feedline is
going to increase its loss if the swr is high. That in and of itself may make
the antenna gain zero or lossy!
Agreed. I guess we'll find out this weekend. It will
only cost us a few man hours to reroute the heliax.


Tedd Doda CET CEO

Lazer Audio and Electronics

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e-mail lazer@...


Re: Using Antenna tuners?

Tedd Doda
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:22:57 -0400, DPW wrote:

And if I might add... I would run a circulator and harmonic filter on
this one, especially if you run a solid state PA.
Do they make circulators for 6 meters?


Tedd Doda CET CEO

Lazer Audio and Electronics

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e-mail lazer@...


Re: Using Antenna tuners?

Tedd Doda
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:44:01 -0500, John wrote:

Gain is also a function of frequency. You can suffer the loss in a matching
network, but your antenna gain will be lower, too. I wouldn't recommend it
unless you have no other choice.
Yes, I agree. But Gain is also a function of height, and this
thing is 400 feet higher than my Ringo, hi! I guess we'll find
out how the Mastr II likes SWR's of 2 to 1 this weekend, after
we reroute the Heliax to our shack.

I presume you meant that you would avoid the antenna?


Tedd Doda CET CEO

Lazer Audio and Electronics

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e-mail lazer@...


Re: Using Antenna tuners?

Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785
 

Tedd says:

The antenna is 400 feet up, on the side of a 600+ foot tower.
It's 1/2" Andrews Heliax, and from the antenna to the shack
I would say maybe about 475 feet? The shack is about 75
feet from the tower, plus the 400 feet to the antenna.
Well, that will make for an interesting experiment.
I would agree to use a tuner between the feedline and
the repeater. My suggestion would be to tune for lowest
tx swr. You probably will lose some on the rx, but bad
sensitivity is easier to live with than fried PA transistors!

73 & good luck!

Ed N3SDO


Ed Bathgate RMA Dept (724) 772-8785
pager (412) 649-6773


Re: ge radios

John Lloyd
 

Mike,

Stay away from that silver handled version. Yes, they are problems.

John, K7JL



mike dewaele wrote:

From: "mike dewaele" <mdewaele@...>

Hi All,

Has anyone built a repeater out of a ge master 2 uhf with the silver
handle???and if so did you have spurs and general noise on the rf output???
I believe these typically have a vhf exiciter and a "tripler pa" in them
and aren't good for repeaters...althought they are very easy to come by and
very cheap.....
Thanks in advance for you thoughts and comments...

Mike KA2NDW

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Re: Using Antenna tuners?

Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785
 

How high is the antenna? Is it feasible to get it down and trim it to the
correct
freq? How much feedline is between the ant and the tuner??? Your feedline is
going to increase its loss if the swr is high. That in and of itself may make
the antenna gain zero or lossy!

$.02

Ed N3SDO





Gain is also a function of frequency. You can suffer the loss in a matching
network, but your antenna gain will be lower, too. I wouldn't recommend it
unless you have no other choice.

John NI0K

----- Original Message ----- >
I acquired a 2 bay, 6 meter Sinclair antenna at our main
repeater site. It was tuned for 45 Mhz and that was verified
by checking the return loss. At my 6 meter repeater output,
the return loss is about -10 db (a little over 2:1 SWR).

Is it practical to use a tuner to bring it down to the 1.5:1
range or less? I'm worried that the tuner will be too sharp
to let the RX pass.

Any recommendations?

Ed Bathgate RMA Dept (724) 772-8785
pager (412) 649-6773


Re: using antenna tuner

 

I tried this recently with a 6M transmitter trying to feed an ant. WAY up on a TV tower. Got the SWR down but the thing would not radiate at all. Don't worry about the receive, it might not even transmit! This ant. was however much further away from the transmit frequency than yours is.


Re: Using Antenna tuners?

DPW
 

And if I might add... I would run a circulator and harmonic filter on
this one, especially if you run a solid state PA.

David


John wrote:


From: "John" <auburn@...>

Tedd:

Gain is also a function of frequency. You can suffer the loss in a matching
network, but your antenna gain will be lower, too. I wouldn't recommend it
unless you have no other choice.

John NI0K

----- Original Message ----- >
I acquired a 2 bay, 6 meter Sinclair antenna at our main
repeater site. It was tuned for 45 Mhz and that was verified
by checking the return loss. At my 6 meter repeater output,
the return loss is about -10 db (a little over 2:1 SWR).

Is it practical to use a tuner to bring it down to the 1.5:1
range or less? I'm worried that the tuner will be too sharp
to let the RX pass.

Any recommendations?


circulators

Brent DeSalvo KF4TNP
 

Looking for a good source and any recommendation for circulators

--
Brent DeSalvo (KF4TNP)

Grid Square: EM65
ICQ UIN# : 17430698
Mailto:bug1@...


Re: Using Antenna tuners?

John
 

Tedd:

Gain is also a function of frequency. You can suffer the loss in a matching
network, but your antenna gain will be lower, too. I wouldn't recommend it
unless you have no other choice.

John NI0K

----- Original Message ----- >
I acquired a 2 bay, 6 meter Sinclair antenna at our main
repeater site. It was tuned for 45 Mhz and that was verified
by checking the return loss. At my 6 meter repeater output,
the return loss is about -10 db (a little over 2:1 SWR).

Is it practical to use a tuner to bring it down to the 1.5:1
range or less? I'm worried that the tuner will be too sharp
to let the RX pass.

Any recommendations?


Re: ge radios

Charles D. Miller
 

* REPLY SEPARATOR *

On 4/27/99 at 11:37 PM mike dewaele wrote:

From: "mike dewaele" <mdewaele@...>

Has anyone built a repeater out of a ge master 2 uhf with the
silver
handle??? YES
and if so did you have spurs and general noise on the rf
output??? YES

Good Luck,


Charles D. Miller
E-Mail: cdmiller@...


RLC-4

"Ray Rosler" <[email protected]
 

Hi we are having a small problem trying to understand how program the link RLC-4 controller with the firmware 1.78 and 1.79. Is there some who has used this controller with the mentioned firm ware. We wish to use a auto phone patch, dvr voice recorder. Can anyone help us out.

thanks

Ray

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Re: WANTED:ALIGNMENT PROCEDURE FOR MX SERIES PORTABLE

 

In a message dated 4/27/1999 11:31:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mcsalem@... writes:

<<
Mike:

I had to stop and think for a minute since it has been some time since I
tuned up
an MX, but there really is not much to do to tune up the transmitter. For
the
later versions of these radios, Motorola made a separate service manual and
a
troubleshooting manual. Tune up instructions are in the service manual. I
do not
have a service manual for a crystal controlled MX, but do have tuneup
instructions
for a PX-300 crystal controlled which is the PT version and also manuals for
the
PX-300-S. I have service manuals for the UHF and VHF MX radios.

For the crystal controlled PX (MX), the tuneup instructions start with R107
which
sets the power. Then you set the channel elements on frequency, CE101 to
CE108.
Then you adjust R102 for deviation with a tone in the microphone.

If it is a synthesized model, you have to set the VCO by tuning the radio to
the
highest and lowest frequency and measure the voltage at Pin 12 of U14. For
the
UHF radio, the high frequency control voltage should be set no higher than
4.8
volts. For the lowest frequency, the control voltage should be set no less
than
1.8 V. The adjustment is to L4. You should also check this for the highest
and
lowest frequency for the receiver and make sure that the voltage is in the
same
range. As a practical matter, I found that the VCO would lock from 1.0 V
to 7.0
volts, but I suspect that it would not cover the temperature range of the
radio.
I would set it right in the ham bands and use the upper end to reach into the
public service frequencies to monitor and not program the transmitter.

For VHF, the voltage range is 1.4 Volts low and 4.75 volts on high. The coil
adjustment and pin 12 of U14 is the same.

After this, you set the frequency and adjust R107 for the appropriate power
level: 1.0 Watt, 2.5 Watts, and 6 watts for VHF and 1.0 Watts, 2.0 Watts,
and 5.0
Watts for UHF.

I hope this is helpful.

73

Micheal Salem N5MS >>


Thanx, it is very helpfull.

Mike


Re: ge master 2 radio

 

hello,

could you send me the "numbers" of this radio please? thanks.

-- rick

----- Original Message -----
From: tom oliver <tsoliver@...>
To: <Repeater-builder@...>; mike dewaele <mdewaele@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 22:53 PM
Subject: [Repeater-builder] Re: ge master 2 radio


From: tom oliver <tsoliver@...>

I have a brown handle 450 mhz mastrII 60 watt comes with one of each
channel
element and the radio has factory uhs primp in it checked working.
$125.00
plus shipping
cable and control head / mic/speaker $25.00 includes shipping (will ship
in
own box)

tom n8ies

mike dewaele wrote:

From: "mike dewaele" <mdewaele@...>

Hi All<

Does anyone have a ge master 2 uhf radio that they would be willing to
part
with at a resonable price.....my vhf repeater is done and ready to start
on
uhf....only looking for master 2 .....
thanks,

Mike KA2NDW

mdewaele@...

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Re: ge master 2 radio

tom oliver
 

I have a brown handle 450 mhz mastrII 60 watt comes with one of each channel
element and the radio has factory uhs primp in it checked working. $125.00
plus shipping
cable and control head / mic/speaker $25.00 includes shipping (will ship in
own box)

tom n8ies

mike dewaele wrote:

From: "mike dewaele" <mdewaele@...>

Hi All<

Does anyone have a ge master 2 uhf radio that they would be willing to part
with at a resonable price.....my vhf repeater is done and ready to start on
uhf....only looking for master 2 .....
thanks,

Mike KA2NDW

mdewaele@...

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