I had asked them to put a dummy load on the top and sweep the line when they replaced the antenna (or at very least recheck the VSWR), but that didn¡¯t happen.? ? I¡¯ll have to drag the spectrum analyzer out there next time I go to look for grunge. ? ? ?
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From: Christopher Boone <setxtelecom@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2025 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: mwbesemer@...
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Major Desense? The G7 is a good performer but hates lightning...lost several in the 80s to Zap the lightning god...installed properly it can out do a DB224...opinions vary but I'm basing mine on 40 years of dealing with them...
I'd definitely sweep the line yourself...if you could get someone to climb and put a dummy load on the antenna end and check defense would be best. The 5G could be an issue...might need to get a spectrum analyzer and look at the noise on 2m Chris WB5ITT ? On Sun, May 11, 2025, 4:57?PM Mike Besemer - WM4B via <mwbesemer=[email protected]> wrote: I was asked to go out the site in the attached picture yesterday to help troubleshoot.? Before I go on, let me describe the site.? Although there are numerous antennas on the tower, we are the only 2-way user there.? The rest of the antennas are not connected to anything and the feedlines have (unfortunately) been hacked off just below the catwalk.? There are licenses for Sprint, Verizon, and T-Mobile at this site, but we don¡¯t know what¡¯s active.? There is only one shelter besides our own.? The panels around the perimeter of the catwalk have been there for quite some time.? The panels on top of the tower were installed a couple years ago, but the issue with this machine existed before they were installed.? This repeater used to have extremely good coverage, but now it¡¯s limited to maybe 10 miles with a strong mobile.? Users are complaining about not being able to hit the repeater and it sounded to me like it was desense.? Sure enough, I put an isotee inline at the output of the duplexer and there was so much desense I didn¡¯t even try to measure it.? I cranked down the power on the TX and the desense was still there all the way down to nothing? I cranked the power back up and replaced the feedline with a dummy load and there was zero desense in the repeater/duplexer combo.? As an aside, the duplexer is a WP642 (tuned by me) and the repeater is an MSR-2000 (built by me).? All I had with me to test the feedline was a Bird 43, and reflected power was nil.? I have been told that the feedline has been swept with a NanoVNA, but they were unable to provide me with pictures of the sweeps, so I¡¯m taking the word that ¡®it looked fine¡¯ with a huge grain of salt.? I¡¯ll have to go back another time and sweep it myself. The feedline is LDF5-50A and the end of the heliax connects directly to the duplexer tee through a polyphaser.? (Yes¡ I tried testing it with and without the polyphaser inline.)? I can see where the feedline has been spliced where the ice-bridge meets the leg of the water tower just after the feedline goes vertical.? We didn¡¯t have a ladder with us to go up and have a look at it, but we do plan to do that.? We tried to discern what kind of splice was installed¡ whether it was a heliax splice or two N-Connectors, but with the tape ball, it was impossible to tell.? If it¡¯s N-connectors, we¡¯ll replace the lower leg of feedline with a RG-214 jumper and retest, but my gut tells me that the feedline is spliced with a heliax splice; having an N-Connector there would be too easy. The antenna is a G7-144 and was replaced at the same time the antennas were put up along the top perimeter of the water tower.? Against my advice, the antenna was hooked directly to the feedline without a jumper.? I ¡®think¡¯ the upper connector was replaced when the antenna was installed, but I need to check back on that.? I don¡¯t know much about the G7-144, but from what I¡¯ve seen here in the archives it appears to be ok for repeater service with the exception of not being particularly good in the weather.? If I¡¯m mistaken, I¡¯m sure I¡¯ll here about it here.? I offered to give them a DB-224, but that offer fell on deaf ears.? Needless to say, we¡¯re suspect of the feedline.? Nobody knows how long it¡¯s been up there, but I do know it¡¯s been up there for a long time.? I did see one place at the end of the ice-bridge where someone had stepped on a piece of 5/8¡± heliax and crimped it good; it would not surprise me if the same thing had happened to the LDF5 cable at some point.? Clearly, there have been climbers all over that tower more than once. The only thing that worries me are the 5G panels at the top of the water tower.? I¡¯m concerned that broadband noise from them is causing the desense, but frankly I don¡¯t know how to test for that.? Everything I learned about repeaters I learned here and I¡¯m a lot stronger in the shop then I am on-site.? Clearly the club doesn¡¯t want to spend a bunch of money on feedline and climbers only to find out that it didn¡¯t cure the problem.? Standing by for advice; flameproof underwear has been donned. Mike WM4B ? ?
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Adjusting power level on a Kenwood TKR 850
Can anyone tell me how to adjust the power output for high and or low power on a Kenwood TKR 850 repeater? I know there's a pot inside the repeater but can someone advise me on what it's labeled?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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I am the kind of person who likes to test things myself so I know exactly what it says and what it's doing. And if someone would offer me a free DB 224 I would jump on it in a second! Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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On May 11, 2025, at 5:19?PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT via groups.io <setxtelecom@...> wrote:
? The G7 is a good performer but hates lightning...lost several in the 80s to Zap the lightning god...installed properly it can out do a DB224...opinions vary but I'm basing mine on 40 years of dealing with them...
I'd definitely sweep the line yourself...if you could get someone to climb and put a dummy load on the antenna end and check defense would be best..
The 5G could be an issue...might need to get a spectrum analyzer and look at the noise on 2m
Chris WB5ITT
On Sun, May 11, 2025, 4:57?PM Mike Besemer - WM4B via <mwbesemer= [email protected]> wrote:
I was asked to go out the site in the attached picture yesterday to help troubleshoot.? Before I go on, let me describe the site.? Although there are numerous antennas on the tower, we are the only 2-way user there.? The rest of the antennas are not connected to anything and the feedlines have (unfortunately) been hacked off just below the catwalk.? There are licenses for Sprint, Verizon, and T-Mobile at this site, but we don¡¯t know what¡¯s active.? There is only one shelter besides our own.?
The panels around the perimeter of the catwalk have been there for quite some time.? The panels on top of the tower were installed a couple years ago, but the issue with this machine existed before they were installed.? This repeater used to have extremely good coverage, but now it¡¯s limited to maybe 10 miles with a strong mobile.?
Users are complaining about not being able to hit the repeater and it sounded to me like it was desense.? Sure enough, I put an isotee inline at the output of the duplexer and there was so much desense I didn¡¯t even try to measure it.? I cranked down the power on the TX and the desense was still there all the way down to nothing.? I cranked the power back up and replaced the feedline with a dummy load and there was zero desense in the repeater/duplexer combo.? As an aside, the duplexer is a WP642 (tuned by me) and the repeater is an MSR-2000 (built by me).?
All I had with me to test the feedline was a Bird 43, and reflected power was nil.? I have been told that the feedline has been swept with a NanoVNA, but they were unable to provide me with pictures of the sweeps, so I¡¯m taking the word that ¡®it looked fine¡¯ with a huge grain of salt.? I¡¯ll have to go back another time and sweep it myself.
The feedline is LDF5-50A and the end of the heliax connects directly to the duplexer tee through a polyphaser.? (Yes¡ I tried testing it with and without the polyphaser inline.)? I can see where the feedline has been spliced where the ice-bridge meets the leg of the water tower just after the feedline goes vertical.? We didn¡¯t have a ladder with us to go up and have a look at it, but we do plan to do that.? We tried to discern what kind of splice was installed¡ whether it was a heliax splice or two N-Connectors, but with the tape ball, it was impossible to tell.? If it¡¯s N-connectors, we¡¯ll replace the lower leg of feedline with a RG-214 jumper and retest, but my gut tells me that the feedline is spliced with a heliax splice; having an N-Connector there would be too easy.
The antenna is a G7-144 and was replaced at the same time the antennas were put up along the top perimeter of the water tower.? Against my advice, the antenna was hooked directly to the feedline without a jumper.? I ¡®think¡¯ the upper connector was replaced when the antenna was installed, but I need to check back on that.? I don¡¯t know much about the G7-144, but from what I¡¯ve seen here in the archives it appears to be ok for repeater service with the exception of not being particularly good in the weather.? If I¡¯m mistaken, I¡¯m sure I¡¯ll here about it here.? I offered to give them a DB-224, but that offer fell on deaf ears.?
Needless to say, we¡¯re suspect of the feedline.? Nobody knows how long it¡¯s been up there, but I do know it¡¯s been up there for a long time.? I did see one place at the end of the ice-bridge where someone had stepped on a piece of 5/8¡± heliax and crimped it good; it would not surprise me if the same thing had happened to the LDF5 cable at some point.? Clearly, there have been climbers all over that tower more than once.
The only thing that worries me are the 5G panels at the top of the water tower.? I¡¯m concerned that broadband noise from them is causing the desense, but frankly I don¡¯t know how to test for that.? Everything I learned about repeaters I learned here and I¡¯m a lot stronger in the shop then I am on-site.? Clearly the club doesn¡¯t want to spend a bunch of money on feedline and climbers only to find out that it didn¡¯t cure the problem.?
Standing by for advice; flameproof underwear has been donned.
Mike
WM4B
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The G7 is a good performer but hates lightning...lost several in the 80s to Zap the lightning god...installed properly it can out do a DB224...opinions vary but I'm basing mine on 40 years of dealing with them...
I'd definitely sweep the line yourself...if you could get someone to climb and put a dummy load on the antenna end and check defense would be best..
The 5G could be an issue...might need to get a spectrum analyzer and look at the noise on 2m
Chris WB5ITT
On Sun, May 11, 2025, 4:57?PM Mike Besemer - WM4B via <mwbesemer= [email protected]> wrote:
I was asked to go out the site in the attached picture yesterday to help troubleshoot.? Before I go on, let me describe the site.? Although there are numerous antennas on the tower, we are the only 2-way user there.? The rest of the antennas are not connected to anything and the feedlines have (unfortunately) been hacked off just below the catwalk.? There are licenses for Sprint, Verizon, and T-Mobile at this site, but we don¡¯t know what¡¯s active.? There is only one shelter besides our own.?
The panels around the perimeter of the catwalk have been there for quite some time.? The panels on top of the tower were installed a couple years ago, but the issue with this machine existed before they were installed.? This repeater used to have extremely good coverage, but now it¡¯s limited to maybe 10 miles with a strong mobile.?
Users are complaining about not being able to hit the repeater and it sounded to me like it was desense.? Sure enough, I put an isotee inline at the output of the duplexer and there was so much desense I didn¡¯t even try to measure it.? I cranked down the power on the TX and the desense was still there all the way down to nothing.? I cranked the power back up and replaced the feedline with a dummy load and there was zero desense in the repeater/duplexer combo.? As an aside, the duplexer is a WP642 (tuned by me) and the repeater is an MSR-2000 (built by me).?
All I had with me to test the feedline was a Bird 43, and reflected power was nil.? I have been told that the feedline has been swept with a NanoVNA, but they were unable to provide me with pictures of the sweeps, so I¡¯m taking the word that ¡®it looked fine¡¯ with a huge grain of salt.? I¡¯ll have to go back another time and sweep it myself.
The feedline is LDF5-50A and the end of the heliax connects directly to the duplexer tee through a polyphaser.? (Yes¡ I tried testing it with and without the polyphaser inline.)? I can see where the feedline has been spliced where the ice-bridge meets the leg of the water tower just after the feedline goes vertical.? We didn¡¯t have a ladder with us to go up and have a look at it, but we do plan to do that.? We tried to discern what kind of splice was installed¡ whether it was a heliax splice or two N-Connectors, but with the tape ball, it was impossible to tell.? If it¡¯s N-connectors, we¡¯ll replace the lower leg of feedline with a RG-214 jumper and retest, but my gut tells me that the feedline is spliced with a heliax splice; having an N-Connector there would be too easy.
The antenna is a G7-144 and was replaced at the same time the antennas were put up along the top perimeter of the water tower.? Against my advice, the antenna was hooked directly to the feedline without a jumper.? I ¡®think¡¯ the upper connector was replaced when the antenna was installed, but I need to check back on that.? I don¡¯t know much about the G7-144, but from what I¡¯ve seen here in the archives it appears to be ok for repeater service with the exception of not being particularly good in the weather.? If I¡¯m mistaken, I¡¯m sure I¡¯ll here about it here.? I offered to give them a DB-224, but that offer fell on deaf ears.?
Needless to say, we¡¯re suspect of the feedline.? Nobody knows how long it¡¯s been up there, but I do know it¡¯s been up there for a long time.? I did see one place at the end of the ice-bridge where someone had stepped on a piece of 5/8¡± heliax and crimped it good; it would not surprise me if the same thing had happened to the LDF5 cable at some point.? Clearly, there have been climbers all over that tower more than once.
The only thing that worries me are the 5G panels at the top of the water tower.? I¡¯m concerned that broadband noise from them is causing the desense, but frankly I don¡¯t know how to test for that.? Everything I learned about repeaters I learned here and I¡¯m a lot stronger in the shop then I am on-site.? Clearly the club doesn¡¯t want to spend a bunch of money on feedline and climbers only to find out that it didn¡¯t cure the problem.?
Standing by for advice; flameproof underwear has been donned.
Mike
WM4B
?
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I was asked to go out the site in the attached picture yesterday to help troubleshoot.? Before I go on, let me describe the site.? Although there are numerous antennas on the tower, we are the only 2-way user there.? The rest of the antennas are not connected to anything and the feedlines have (unfortunately) been hacked off just below the catwalk.? There are licenses for Sprint, Verizon, and T-Mobile at this site, but we don¡¯t know what¡¯s active.? There is only one shelter besides our own.?
The panels around the perimeter of the catwalk have been there for quite some time.? The panels on top of the tower were installed a couple years ago, but the issue with this machine existed before they were installed.? This repeater used to have extremely good coverage, but now it¡¯s limited to maybe 10 miles with a strong mobile.?
Users are complaining about not being able to hit the repeater and it sounded to me like it was desense.? Sure enough, I put an isotee inline at the output of the duplexer and there was so much desense I didn¡¯t even try to measure it.? I cranked down the power on the TX and the desense was still there all the way down to nothing.? I cranked the power back up and replaced the feedline with a dummy load and there was zero desense in the repeater/duplexer combo.? As an aside, the duplexer is a WP642 (tuned by me) and the repeater is an MSR-2000 (built by me).?
All I had with me to test the feedline was a Bird 43, and reflected power was nil.? I have been told that the feedline has been swept with a NanoVNA, but they were unable to provide me with pictures of the sweeps, so I¡¯m taking the word that ¡®it looked fine¡¯ with a huge grain of salt.? I¡¯ll have to go back another time and sweep it myself.
The feedline is LDF5-50A and the end of the heliax connects directly to the duplexer tee through a polyphaser.? (Yes¡ I tried testing it with and without the polyphaser inline.)? I can see where the feedline has been spliced where the ice-bridge meets the leg of the water tower just after the feedline goes vertical.? We didn¡¯t have a ladder with us to go up and have a look at it, but we do plan to do that.? We tried to discern what kind of splice was installed¡ whether it was a heliax splice or two N-Connectors, but with the tape ball, it was impossible to tell.? If it¡¯s N-connectors, we¡¯ll replace the lower leg of feedline with a RG-214 jumper and retest, but my gut tells me that the feedline is spliced with a heliax splice; having an N-Connector there would be too easy.
The antenna is a G7-144 and was replaced at the same time the antennas were put up along the top perimeter of the water tower.? Against my advice, the antenna was hooked directly to the feedline without a jumper.? I ¡®think¡¯ the upper connector was replaced when the antenna was installed, but I need to check back on that.? I don¡¯t know much about the G7-144, but from what I¡¯ve seen here in the archives it appears to be ok for repeater service with the exception of not being particularly good in the weather.? If I¡¯m mistaken, I¡¯m sure I¡¯ll here about it here.? I offered to give them a DB-224, but that offer fell on deaf ears.?
Needless to say, we¡¯re suspect of the feedline.? Nobody knows how long it¡¯s been up there, but I do know it¡¯s been up there for a long time.? I did see one place at the end of the ice-bridge where someone had stepped on a piece of 5/8¡± heliax and crimped it good; it would not surprise me if the same thing had happened to the LDF5 cable at some point.? Clearly, there have been climbers all over that tower more than once.
The only thing that worries me are the 5G panels at the top of the water tower.? I¡¯m concerned that broadband noise from them is causing the desense, but frankly I don¡¯t know how to test for that.? Everything I learned about repeaters I learned here and I¡¯m a lot stronger in the shop then I am on-site.? Clearly the club doesn¡¯t want to spend a bunch of money on feedline and climbers only to find out that it didn¡¯t cure the problem.?
Standing by for advice; flameproof underwear has been donned.
Mike
WM4B
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Re: quantar use for 2meter repeater
Thanks i have changed the tx freq to 151.0 validated and rebooted? but still no transmit so I may have a hardware problem
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Re: Broadcast audio on repeater receive audio
Hey Jeff!
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Audio is tapped off of the discriminator in the Tait, ahead of all the filtering. Feeds a Palomar Telecom controller.
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The broadcast audio is then propagated out of all transmitters (420 and 440). The only thing that seems to be affected is the 440 receiver.
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I'm assuming the 1nF cap can run from the audio input to the controller to ground.
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Link TX/RX is a Motorola CDM arrangement with a custom interface board. It does not seem to be bothered at all.
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Not surprised on the ferrites - I assumed they likely wouldn't be of the right frequency.
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Thanks Jeff.
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Chris
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Chris Baldwin, CETSr. (KF6AJM)
Trustee - MetroNET Cal. Intertie (KB3PX)
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Re: trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater
I've gone as far as I can with this thing. I'm happy to pay
someone to fix this thing. I'm totally blind and although I can
check and align things with a service monitor, I can't replace
parts. When first turned on, it is fine. After it warms up for
a while, I get a noise in the receiver like the attached file.
It isn't the fan, and the transmitter is off, although it does
get louder when transmitter is turned on. This is listening to
the repeater speaker. I won't ship the whole wrack mount chasi,
I'll just ship the repeater itself. Feel free to write off list.
wa0vjr@...
Thanks for everyone's help.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John via groups.io" <jhaserick84@...> To: < [email protected]>; "Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io" <wa0vjr@...> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2025 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater Check to see if the popping noise coincides with when the switching power power supply DC brushless fan starts up. John On 05/10/2025 10:06 PM EDT Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
I put it back on original frequency and it is the same.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
When I had it, before Butch bought it, it was on 451.1875 with
a
plus offset. And I did the program it for a 442.100 frequencies
so I hope that didn't unlock the PLL.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 8:30?PM, Joe <k1ike_mail@...> wrote:
?Hi Butch,
I'm not familiar with the 851, but my first thought would be
is
this a repeater that was used? If so, did you first test it
on
its original frequency? If you moved it too for it may be a
PLL tuning problem.
I don't know if you have to retune the PLL on an 851 if you
move it a lot in frequency.
Joe, K1ike
On 5/10/2025 9:18 PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io wrote:
I think something in the receiver, it is clean when turned
cold,
noise comes on after a warm up. Service monitor has been
las
several days.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
If it is doing that and a) the TX is off and b)
you're sure it's not your service monitor then
the only option left is the RX itself
Ken
At 04:36 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
this on the bench with a service monitor. dummy load
on
the
transmitter, repeat mode turnede off. When first turned
on,
sounds nice and quiet. AFter a minute or so, gets a noise
like
bacon frying. Of course it is repeated if I turn on the
transmitter. As I said, just feeding a signal into the
receiver
with my ifr 1200.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The cracklies?
Duplexer?
Cabling?
Feedline?
At 01:48 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 3:02???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io <wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???o.k., is quiet until it is on about a minute then gets
a
crackle
kind of like bacon frying.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
I changed frequency to 442.100. But not sure about the
crackle. I
tried it here and didn't notice any noise on RX.
Give me a call later on tomorrow, since leaving soon.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
On
Behalf Of Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The repeater has a noise on receive like bacon frying.
Not
sure
what is causing that. I can give you a call if you want
to
listen to it. kind of a crackling noise. I haven't
tried
adjusting anything yet, but sensativity is poor even on
the
151.1875 frequency.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That's good to know thanks. Hopefully my little laptop
comes
by
Wednesday because tentatively planning on going back to
the
site
in portage on Thursday to visit the lady Buggs, well OK
not
really, but putting up the Lincoln tenor for the
repeaters
and
figuring out what is going on with my DNC. I turned it on
and
it
gives me a little Gibberish character, but then I turn it
off
and
back on again and then it works. Might have to just flush
the
whole TNC and start over. Would like it just to power up
and
work
because if there's a power failure and that TNC comes
back
on
then it won't power up correctly and I'm 70+ miles away
from
the
site with no transportation.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:58???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???yes, works fine. nvda is the best, although works
with
window-eyes
as well.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That was one of my questions I actually had and you
might
have
just
answered it for me, but, does your Windows XP box work
with
the
KPG
91D software?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:32???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???The computer I usually use doesn't have a serial
port
and I
can't
find my usb to serial adapter, so fired up my old xp
machine
with a
for real serial port.
Thanks all for your help. Good to know about the fuse.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
See Chris's comments about the fuse.
BTW, the only reason to use the mic jack is if you're
updating
the
firmware (or don't want to otherwise with the rear
panel
DB25).
Good to hear you're good to go
Ken
At 10:13 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I tried it on serial port on the back and it works,
for
some
reason, not on the mike connector on the front which
is
what
I
use on my other repeaters. Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io"
<wa0vjr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
that is what I thought, then why do I get that error?
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
KPG-91D will work
Ken
At 09:40 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I thought my software for my 850 would work, but it
says
check
radio model, retry. Does it take a different
program?
Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
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Re: quantar use for 2meter repeater
Then my guess is, it actually IS a high split transmitter and the VCO is not locking as low as you'd like it to (technically OOB). Change your TX frequency to something above 150 and see if it starts working...
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Re: Looking for XPR8380 Repeater
Do you want VHF or UHF. We have several of both? also XPR8400, which we have replaced? with 5700's.
We would probably sell some for about $400 - $500 each, all working condition.
Charlie ADAMS K3HKZ
cadams @ icom-co.com
Charles Adams
Industrial Communications Co.
Mobile 610-360-0050?
Office 610-253-1214?
cadams@...
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If anyone has one to sell, please let me know.
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Re: Broadcast audio on repeater receive audio
Probably more questions than answers at this point: 1. If I¡¯m understanding correctly, when the 440 receiver is active, you hear the FM audio on the 420 link transmitter, right? Do you also hear FM mixed in with the 440 receive audio on the 440 repeater transmitter? 2. Where are you Rx taking audio from on the Tait? 3. Is there any DC riding on top of #2 above? 4. What kind f controller? 5. What kind of link transmitter? 6. Instead of, or in addition to, ferrite, have you tried filtering with bypass caps across the audio lines? Use something good for the purpose, like a ceramic disc, 1 nF or thereabouts. The ferrite that comes with the Quantars and GTR¡¯s is primarily for EMI from the switching supplies and for lightning protection, may not provide much choking Z up in the 3 meter band, and obviously doesn't help with differential mode RFI. 7. ¡°Only noticeable change is that when the RX audio line shield of the 174 is grounded, the audio level of the broadcast FM increases.¡± That seems to point to a common-mode problem. Are you taking audio from a balanced line driver on the Tait? Happy Motherola Day. --- Jeff WN3A From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Chris Baldwin via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 8:07 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [repeater-builder] Broadcast audio on repeater receive audio This one is playing hell with my sanity. I've got a 440 site with a 420 link radio that has broadcast audio from 95.7FM coming in along with the repeater receiver audio. I can dial it down to zero using the controller's audio input pot, so I'd assume it's coming in on the RX audio line. The audio level of the broadcast audio is significantly lower than the repeat audio, so the repeater is still usable, it's just... Highly annoying. Switched all audio lines over to RG174. Tried grounding both ends of the shield, one end of the shield, the other end of the shield, nothing. Tried some ferrites (the ones that come with the Quantar and AstroTAC equipment), no luck. Tried them everywhere. AC lines, audio lines, control lines, no change. Only noticeable change is that when the RX audio line shield of the 174 is grounded, the audio level of the broadcast FM increases. Receiver is a Tait T800-I slimline. I wonder if it's all the exposed wiring on the back side of it that's picking this up. I've tried just about everything I can think of with regard to shielding and ferrites. I don't believe that RF is getting into the controller itself directly, it's obviously coming in on the RX audio line. At this point I am considering swapping the Tait with a TKR-840 so there isn't so much exposed wiring, nor a need for an outboard PL encoder/decoder which could be part of this (but I tried ferrites on all of its cabling as well. OK braintrust... Jeff/WN3A, whatcha got for me? This one is out of my league. Thanks! Chris/KF6AJM -- Chris Baldwin, CETSr. (KF6AJM) Trustee - MetroNET Cal. Intertie (KB3PX)
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Re: trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater
yep, I thought of that after I replied. I have fan set to
temperature control, and noise is there when fan isn't running.
Power is set to ten watts, but I have transmitter turned off.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe via groups.io" <k1ike_mail@...> To: < [email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2025 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater Hi Bruce, I think he was referring to noise being created by the internal fan in the 851. What power level do you have it set to? If you set the 851 to the lowest power output does the condition still exist? Does it take longer to start the noise? Better yet, can you program the 851 fan to continuous ON status? Is the noise then always there? 73, Joe, K1ike On 5/11/2025 8:56 AM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io wrote: thanks, I switched supplies to my astron 35a bench supply and
no
change. There is, however, a fan in the repeater itself.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "John via groups.io" <jhaserick84@...>
To: <[email protected]>; "Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io" <wa0vjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2025 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
Check to see if the popping noise coincides with when the
switching power power supply DC brushless fan starts up.
John
On 05/10/2025 10:06 PM EDT Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
I put it back on original frequency and it is the same.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
When I had it, before Butch bought it, it was on 451.1875 with
a
plus offset. And I did the program it for a 442.100
frequencies
so I hope that didn't unlock the PLL.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 8:30?PM, Joe <k1ike_mail@...> wrote:
?Hi Butch,
I'm not familiar with the 851, but my first thought would be
is
this a repeater that was used? If so, did you first test it
on
its original frequency? If you moved it too for it may be a
PLL tuning problem.
I don't know if you have to retune the PLL on an 851 if you
move it a lot in frequency.
Joe, K1ike
On 5/10/2025 9:18 PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io wrote:
I think something in the receiver, it is clean when turned
cold,
noise comes on after a warm up. Service monitor has been
las
several days.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
If it is doing that and a) the TX is off and b)
you're sure it's not your service monitor then
the only option left is the RX itself
Ken
At 04:36 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
this on the bench with a service monitor. dummy load
on
the
transmitter, repeat mode turnede off. When first turned
on,
sounds nice and quiet. AFter a minute or so, gets a noise
like
bacon frying. Of course it is repeated if I turn on the
transmitter. As I said, just feeding a signal into the
receiver
with my ifr 1200.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The cracklies?
Duplexer?
Cabling?
Feedline?
At 01:48 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 3:02???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io <wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???o.k., is quiet until it is on about a minute then gets
a
crackle
kind of like bacon frying.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
I changed frequency to 442.100. But not sure about the
crackle. I
tried it here and didn't notice any noise on RX.
Give me a call later on tomorrow, since leaving soon.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
On
Behalf Of Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The repeater has a noise on receive like bacon frying.
Not
sure
what is causing that. I can give you a call if you want
to
listen to it. kind of a crackling noise. I haven't
tried
adjusting anything yet, but sensativity is poor even on
the
151.1875 frequency.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That's good to know thanks. Hopefully my little laptop
comes
by
Wednesday because tentatively planning on going back to
the
site
in portage on Thursday to visit the lady Buggs, well OK
not
really, but putting up the Lincoln tenor for the
repeaters
and
figuring out what is going on with my DNC. I turned it on
and
it
gives me a little Gibberish character, but then I turn it
off
and
back on again and then it works. Might have to just flush
the
whole TNC and start over. Would like it just to power up
and
work
because if there's a power failure and that TNC comes
back
on
then it won't power up correctly and I'm 70+ miles away
from
the
site with no transportation.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:58???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???yes, works fine. nvda is the best, although works
with
window-eyes
as well.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That was one of my questions I actually had and you
might
have
just
answered it for me, but, does your Windows XP box work
with
the
KPG
91D software?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:32???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???The computer I usually use doesn't have a serial
port
and I
can't
find my usb to serial adapter, so fired up my old xp
machine
with a
for real serial port.
Thanks all for your help. Good to know about the fuse.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
See Chris's comments about the fuse.
BTW, the only reason to use the mic jack is if you're
updating
the
firmware (or don't want to otherwise with the rear
panel
DB25).
Good to hear you're good to go
Ken
At 10:13 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I tried it on serial port on the back and it works,
for
some
reason, not on the mike connector on the front which
is
what
I
use on my other repeaters. Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io"
<wa0vjr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
that is what I thought, then why do I get that error?
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
KPG-91D will work
Ken
At 09:40 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I thought my software for my 850 would work, but it
says
check
radio model, retry. Does it take a different
program?
Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
|
Re: Broadcast audio on repeater receive audio
Kevin: It's a Palomar Telecom RBC-700 series with the shielding kit installed. I have no reason to believe the audio is being induced at the controller.
?
Milt: FM broadcast station is at the same site, probably less than 150' away.
?
It's a full 440 repeater with a full duplex 420 link back to a tandem that then links to other sites.
?
I did speak with another group with a repeater at the same site in the same configuration, they too have issues though not to the same degree. They suggested a radio change. That conversation was late last night.
?
Chris
?
--
Chris Baldwin, CETSr. (KF6AJM)
Trustee - MetroNET Cal. Intertie (KB3PX)
|
Re: trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater
Hi Bruce,
I think he was referring to noise being created by the internal fan in the 851. What power level do you have it set to? If you set the 851 to the lowest power output does the condition still exist? Does it take longer to start the noise?
Better yet, can you program the 851 fan to continuous ON status? Is the noise then always there?
73, Joe, K1ike
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On 5/11/2025 8:56 AM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io wrote: thanks, I switched supplies to my astron 35a bench supply and no
change. There is, however, a fan in the repeater itself.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "John via groups.io" <jhaserick84@...>
To: <[email protected]>; "Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io" <wa0vjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2025 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a kenwood
851 repeater
Check to see if the popping noise coincides with when the
switching power power supply DC brushless fan starts up.
John
On 05/10/2025 10:06 PM EDT Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
I put it back on original frequency and it is the same.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
When I had it, before Butch bought it, it was on 451.1875 with
a
plus offset. And I did the program it for a 442.100 frequencies
so I hope that didn't unlock the PLL.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 8:30?PM, Joe <k1ike_mail@...> wrote:
?Hi Butch,
I'm not familiar with the 851, but my first thought would be
is
this a repeater that was used? If so, did you first test it
on
its original frequency? If you moved it too for it may be a
PLL tuning problem.
I don't know if you have to retune the PLL on an 851 if you
move it a lot in frequency.
Joe, K1ike
On 5/10/2025 9:18 PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io wrote:
I think something in the receiver, it is clean when turned
cold,
noise comes on after a warm up. Service monitor has been
las
several days.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
If it is doing that and a) the TX is off and b)
you're sure it's not your service monitor then
the only option left is the RX itself
Ken
At 04:36 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
this on the bench with a service monitor. dummy load
on
the
transmitter, repeat mode turnede off. When first turned
on,
sounds nice and quiet. AFter a minute or so, gets a noise
like
bacon frying. Of course it is repeated if I turn on the
transmitter. As I said, just feeding a signal into the
receiver
with my ifr 1200.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The cracklies?
Duplexer?
Cabling?
Feedline?
At 01:48 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 3:02???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io <wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???o.k., is quiet until it is on about a minute then gets
a
crackle
kind of like bacon frying.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
I changed frequency to 442.100. But not sure about the
crackle. I
tried it here and didn't notice any noise on RX.
Give me a call later on tomorrow, since leaving soon.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
On
Behalf Of Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The repeater has a noise on receive like bacon frying.
Not
sure
what is causing that. I can give you a call if you want
to
listen to it. kind of a crackling noise. I haven't
tried
adjusting anything yet, but sensativity is poor even on
the
151.1875 frequency.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That's good to know thanks. Hopefully my little laptop
comes
by
Wednesday because tentatively planning on going back to
the
site
in portage on Thursday to visit the lady Buggs, well OK
not
really, but putting up the Lincoln tenor for the
repeaters
and
figuring out what is going on with my DNC. I turned it on
and
it
gives me a little Gibberish character, but then I turn it
off
and
back on again and then it works. Might have to just flush
the
whole TNC and start over. Would like it just to power up
and
work
because if there's a power failure and that TNC comes
back
on
then it won't power up correctly and I'm 70+ miles away
from
the
site with no transportation.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:58???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???yes, works fine. nvda is the best, although works
with
window-eyes
as well.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That was one of my questions I actually had and you
might
have
just
answered it for me, but, does your Windows XP box work
with
the
KPG
91D software?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:32???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???The computer I usually use doesn't have a serial
port
and I
can't
find my usb to serial adapter, so fired up my old xp
machine
with a
for real serial port.
Thanks all for your help. Good to know about the fuse.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
See Chris's comments about the fuse.
BTW, the only reason to use the mic jack is if you're
updating
the
firmware (or don't want to otherwise with the rear
panel
DB25).
Good to hear you're good to go
Ken
At 10:13 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I tried it on serial port on the back and it works,
for
some
reason, not on the mike connector on the front which
is
what
I
use on my other repeaters. Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io"
<wa0vjr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
that is what I thought, then why do I get that error?
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
KPG-91D will work
Ken
At 09:40 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I thought my software for my 850 would work, but it
says
check
radio model, retry. Does it take a different
program?
Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
|
Re: trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater
thanks, I switched supplies to my astron 35a bench supply and no
change. There is, however, a fan in the repeater itself.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
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Show quoted text
----- Original Message ----- From: "John via groups.io" <jhaserick84@...> To: < [email protected]>; "Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io" <wa0vjr@...> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2025 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater Check to see if the popping noise coincides with when the switching power power supply DC brushless fan starts up. John On 05/10/2025 10:06 PM EDT Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
I put it back on original frequency and it is the same.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
When I had it, before Butch bought it, it was on 451.1875 with
a
plus offset. And I did the program it for a 442.100 frequencies
so I hope that didn't unlock the PLL.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 8:30?PM, Joe <k1ike_mail@...> wrote:
?Hi Butch,
I'm not familiar with the 851, but my first thought would be
is
this a repeater that was used? If so, did you first test it
on
its original frequency? If you moved it too for it may be a
PLL tuning problem.
I don't know if you have to retune the PLL on an 851 if you
move it a lot in frequency.
Joe, K1ike
On 5/10/2025 9:18 PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io wrote:
I think something in the receiver, it is clean when turned
cold,
noise comes on after a warm up. Service monitor has been
las
several days.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
If it is doing that and a) the TX is off and b)
you're sure it's not your service monitor then
the only option left is the RX itself
Ken
At 04:36 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
this on the bench with a service monitor. dummy load
on
the
transmitter, repeat mode turnede off. When first turned
on,
sounds nice and quiet. AFter a minute or so, gets a noise
like
bacon frying. Of course it is repeated if I turn on the
transmitter. As I said, just feeding a signal into the
receiver
with my ifr 1200.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The cracklies?
Duplexer?
Cabling?
Feedline?
At 01:48 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 3:02???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io <wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???o.k., is quiet until it is on about a minute then gets
a
crackle
kind of like bacon frying.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
I changed frequency to 442.100. But not sure about the
crackle. I
tried it here and didn't notice any noise on RX.
Give me a call later on tomorrow, since leaving soon.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
On
Behalf Of Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The repeater has a noise on receive like bacon frying.
Not
sure
what is causing that. I can give you a call if you want
to
listen to it. kind of a crackling noise. I haven't
tried
adjusting anything yet, but sensativity is poor even on
the
151.1875 frequency.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That's good to know thanks. Hopefully my little laptop
comes
by
Wednesday because tentatively planning on going back to
the
site
in portage on Thursday to visit the lady Buggs, well OK
not
really, but putting up the Lincoln tenor for the
repeaters
and
figuring out what is going on with my DNC. I turned it on
and
it
gives me a little Gibberish character, but then I turn it
off
and
back on again and then it works. Might have to just flush
the
whole TNC and start over. Would like it just to power up
and
work
because if there's a power failure and that TNC comes
back
on
then it won't power up correctly and I'm 70+ miles away
from
the
site with no transportation.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:58???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???yes, works fine. nvda is the best, although works
with
window-eyes
as well.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That was one of my questions I actually had and you
might
have
just
answered it for me, but, does your Windows XP box work
with
the
KPG
91D software?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:32???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???The computer I usually use doesn't have a serial
port
and I
can't
find my usb to serial adapter, so fired up my old xp
machine
with a
for real serial port.
Thanks all for your help. Good to know about the fuse.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
See Chris's comments about the fuse.
BTW, the only reason to use the mic jack is if you're
updating
the
firmware (or don't want to otherwise with the rear
panel
DB25).
Good to hear you're good to go
Ken
At 10:13 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I tried it on serial port on the back and it works,
for
some
reason, not on the mike connector on the front which
is
what
I
use on my other repeaters. Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io"
<wa0vjr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
that is what I thought, then why do I get that error?
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on
a
kenwood
851 repeater
KPG-91D will work
Ken
At 09:40 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I thought my software for my 850 would work, but it
says
check
radio model, retry. Does it take a different
program?
Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
|
Re: trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater
Check to see if the popping noise coincides with when the switching power power supply DC brushless fan starts up.
John
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On 05/10/2025 10:06 PM EDT Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io <wa0vjr@...> wrote:
I put it back on original frequency and it is the same.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a kenwood
851 repeater
When I had it, before Butch bought it, it was on 451.1875 with a
plus offset. And I did the program it for a 442.100 frequencies
so I hope that didn't unlock the PLL.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 8:30?PM, Joe <k1ike_mail@...> wrote:
?Hi Butch,
I'm not familiar with the 851, but my first thought would be is
this a repeater that was used? If so, did you first test it on
its original frequency? If you moved it too for it may be a
PLL tuning problem.
I don't know if you have to retune the PLL on an 851 if you
move it a lot in frequency.
Joe, K1ike
On 5/10/2025 9:18 PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io wrote:
I think something in the receiver, it is clean when turned
cold,
noise comes on after a warm up. Service monitor has been las
several days.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
If it is doing that and a) the TX is off and b)
you're sure it's not your service monitor then
the only option left is the RX itself
Ken
At 04:36 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
this on the bench with a service monitor. dummy load on
the
transmitter, repeat mode turnede off. When first turned on,
sounds nice and quiet. AFter a minute or so, gets a noise
like
bacon frying. Of course it is repeated if I turn on the
transmitter. As I said, just feeding a signal into the
receiver
with my ifr 1200.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The cracklies?
Duplexer?
Cabling?
Feedline?
At 01:48 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 3:02???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io <wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???o.k., is quiet until it is on about a minute then gets a
crackle
kind of like bacon frying.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
I changed frequency to 442.100. But not sure about the
crackle. I
tried it here and didn't notice any noise on RX.
Give me a call later on tomorrow, since leaving soon.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
On
Behalf Of Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
The repeater has a noise on receive like bacon frying. Not
sure
what is causing that. I can give you a call if you want to
listen to it. kind of a crackling noise. I haven't tried
adjusting anything yet, but sensativity is poor even on the
151.1875 frequency.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That's good to know thanks. Hopefully my little laptop
comes
by
Wednesday because tentatively planning on going back to the
site
in portage on Thursday to visit the lady Buggs, well OK not
really, but putting up the Lincoln tenor for the repeaters
and
figuring out what is going on with my DNC. I turned it on
and
it
gives me a little Gibberish character, but then I turn it
off
and
back on again and then it works. Might have to just flush
the
whole TNC and start over. Would like it just to power up
and
work
because if there's a power failure and that TNC comes back
on
then it won't power up correctly and I'm 70+ miles away
from
the
site with no transportation.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:58???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???yes, works fine. nvda is the best, although works with
window-eyes
as well.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Nelson via groups.io"
<chad.nelson71@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
That was one of my questions I actually had and you might
have
just
answered it for me, but, does your Windows XP box work
with
the
KPG
91D software?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 10, 2025, at 12:32???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
groups.io
<wa0vjr@...> wrote:
???The computer I usually use doesn't have a serial port
and I
can't
find my usb to serial adapter, so fired up my old xp
machine
with a
for real serial port.
Thanks all for your help. Good to know about the fuse.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
See Chris's comments about the fuse.
BTW, the only reason to use the mic jack is if you're
updating
the
firmware (or don't want to otherwise with the rear panel
DB25).
Good to hear you're good to go
Ken
At 10:13 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I tried it on serial port on the back and it works, for
some
reason, not on the mike connector on the front which is
what
I
use on my other repeaters. Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch-tiny puppy via groups.io"
<wa0vjr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
that is what I thought, then why do I get that error?
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io"
<ken@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
kenwood
851 repeater
KPG-91D will work
Ken
At 09:40 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
I thought my software for my 850 would work, but it
says
check
radio model, retry. Does it take a different program?
Thanks.
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr
wa0vjr@...
irlp 7135
allstar 56023
echolink 790800
new home phone 785 852-1102
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
|
Re: Broadcast audio on repeater receive audio
Where is the FM broadcast station relative to the equipment, local or distant?
Is the 440 site with the 420 link a repeater with a 420 link receiver
or is it a receive site with a link transmitter?
Milt
N3LTQ
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On May 10, 2025, at 20:54, Joe <k1ike_mail@...> wrote:
?What about putting a dummy load directly on the 420 receiver. Then, using an HT, transmit a signal near the receiver. If the FM station audio goes away, the problem is external to the equipment, possibly intermod. If you still hear the FM audio the problem is in the receive equipment. At least that is a start at locating where it is coming from.
Joe, K1ike
On 5/10/2025 8:07 PM, Chris Baldwin via groups.io wrote:
This one is playing hell with my sanity.
I've got a 440 site with a 420 link radio that has broadcast audio from 95.7FM coming in along with the repeater receiver audio. I can dial it down to zero using the controller's audio input pot, so I'd assume it's coming in on the RX audio line. The audio level of the broadcast audio is significantly lower than the repeat audio, so the repeater is still usable, it's just... Highly annoying.
Switched all audio lines over to RG174. Tried grounding both ends of the shield, one end of the shield, the other end of the shield, nothing. Tried some ferrites (the ones that come with the Quantar and AstroTAC equipment), no luck. Tried them everywhere. AC lines, audio lines, control lines, no change.
Only noticeable change is that when the RX audio line shield of the 174 is grounded, the audio level of the broadcast FM increases.
Receiver is a Tait T800-I slimline. I wonder if it's all the exposed wiring on the back side of it that's picking this up.
I've tried just about everything I can think of with regard to shielding and ferrites. I don't believe that RF is getting into the controller itself directly, it's obviously coming in on the RX audio line.
At this point I am considering swapping the Tait with a TKR-840 so there isn't so much exposed wiring, nor a need for an outboard PL encoder/ decoder which could be part of this (but I tried ferrites on all of its cabling as well.
OK braintrust... Jeff/WN3A, whatcha got for me? This one is out of my league.
Thanks!
Chris/KF6AJM
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Chris Baldwin, CETSr. (KF6AJM)
Trustee - MetroNET Cal. Intertie (KB3PX)
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Re: quantar use for 2meter repeater
Thanks
When I select R1 I get a msg that the tx is a mismatch and I have pressed the validate button? and wrote the codeplug and reset the station
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Re: trying to read data on a kenwood 851 repeater
Check the IF demodulator IC9 located near the ceramic filters on the TX/RX Unit (see below). Part number is TK14489.?
Hit it with a shot of freeze spray and see if your RX quality improves. If so, reflow/replace as necessary. Also may want to check X1 for sensitivity.?
Jeremy K1LFK
On Sat, May 10, 2025, 8:51?PM Chad Nelson via <chad.nelson71= [email protected]> wrote: I bought the thing off of eBay about a few months ago and never really tested it but then when I did, I just made sure it received transmitted. I didn't pay attention to how it sounded on which is my fault. So I'm not sure what the condition really was when I bought it. I should've done more testing with it before I sold it so again, that's my fault. Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16. ? Good thinking Joe.
Basically, did it ever work?? And if so, what changed to make it stop working right.
Andy Hi Butch,
I'm not familiar with the 851, but my first thought would be is this a
repeater that was used?? If so, did you first test it on its original
frequency?? If you moved it too for it may be a PLL tuning problem.
I don't know if you have to retune the PLL on an 851 if you move it a
lot in frequency.
Joe, K1ike
On 5/10/2025 9:18 PM, Butch-tiny puppy via wrote:
> I think something in the receiver, it is clean when turned cold,
> noise comes on after a warm up.? Service monitor has been las
> several days.
>
> Butch Bussen
> wa0vjr
> wa0vjr@...
> irlp 7135
> allstar 56023
> echolink 790800
> new home phone 785 852-1102
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via "
> <ken=[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a kenwood
> 851 repeater
>
>
> If it is doing that and a) the TX is off and b)
> you're sure it's not your service monitor then
> the only option left is the RX itself
>
> Ken
>
>
> At 04:36 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
>>? ? ? this on the bench with a service monitor.? dummy load on
>> the
>> transmitter, repeat mode turnede off.? When first turned on,
>> sounds nice and quiet.? AFter a minute or so, gets a noise like
>> bacon frying.? Of course it is repeated if I turn on the
>> transmitter.? As I said, just feeding a signal into the receiver
>> with my ifr 1200.
>>
>> Butch Bussen
>> wa0vjr
>> wa0vjr@...
>> irlp 7135
>> allstar 56023
>> echolink 790800
>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via "
>> <ken=[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 3:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a kenwood
>> 851 repeater
>>
>>
>> The cracklies?
>>
>> Duplexer?
>> Cabling?
>> Feedline?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 01:48 PM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
>>> Anyone have any thoughts on this problem?
>>> Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
>>> Janesville Wisconsin
>>> 608-754-8671
>>> Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2025, at 3:02???PM, Butch-tiny
>>> puppy via <wa0vjr=[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ???o.k., is quiet until it is on about a minute then gets a
>>>> crackle
>>>> kind of like bacon frying.
>>>>
>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>> wa0vjr
>>>> wa0vjr@...
>>>> irlp 7135
>>>> allstar 56023
>>>> echolink 790800
>>>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chad Nelson via "
>>>> <chad.nelson71=[email protected]>
>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 1:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
>>>> kenwood
>>>> 851 repeater
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I changed frequency to 442.100. But not sure about the
>>>> crackle. I
>>>> tried it here and didn't notice any noise on RX.
>>>>
>>>> Give me a call later on tomorrow, since leaving soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Butch-tiny puppy via
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:21 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
>>>> kenwood
>>>> 851 repeater
>>>>
>>>> The repeater has a noise on receive like bacon frying.? Not
>>>> sure
>>>> what is causing that.? I can give you a call if you want to
>>>> listen to it.? kind of a crackling noise.? I haven't tried
>>>> adjusting anything yet, but sensativity is poor even on the
>>>> 151.1875 frequency.
>>>>
>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>> wa0vjr
>>>> wa0vjr@...
>>>> irlp 7135
>>>> allstar 56023
>>>> echolink 790800
>>>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chad Nelson via "
>>>> <chad.nelson71=[email protected]>
>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 12:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
>>>> kenwood
>>>> 851 repeater
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's good to know thanks. Hopefully my little laptop
>>>> comes
>>>> by
>>>> Wednesday because tentatively planning on going back to the
>>>> site
>>>> in portage on Thursday to visit the lady Buggs, well OK not
>>>> really, but putting up the Lincoln tenor for the repeaters
>>>> and
>>>> figuring out what is going on with my DNC. I turned it on
>>>> and
>>>> it
>>>> gives me a little Gibberish character, but then I turn it
>>>> off
>>>> and
>>>> back on again and then it works. Might have to just flush
>>>> the
>>>> whole TNC and start over. Would like it just to power up
>>>> and
>>>> work
>>>> because if there's a power failure and that TNC comes back
>>>> on
>>>> then it won't power up correctly and I'm 70+ miles away
>>>> from
>>>> the
>>>> site with no transportation.
>>>> Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
>>>> Janesville Wisconsin
>>>> 608-754-8671
>>>> Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2025, at 12:58???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
>>>>>
>>>>> <wa0vjr=[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ???yes, works fine.? nvda is the best, although works with
>>>>> window-eyes
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>> wa0vjr@...
>>>>> irlp 7135
>>>>> allstar 56023
>>>>> echolink 790800
>>>>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Chad Nelson via "
>>>>> <chad.nelson71=[email protected]>
>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:44 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
>>>>> kenwood
>>>>> 851 repeater
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That was one of my questions I actually had and you might
>>>>> have
>>>>> just
>>>>> answered it for me, but, does your Windows XP box work
>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> KPG
>>>>> 91D software?
>>>>> Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
>>>>> Janesville Wisconsin
>>>>> 608-754-8671
>>>>> Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 10, 2025, at 12:32???PM, Butch-tiny puppy via
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <wa0vjr=[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ???The computer I usually use doesn't have a serial port
>>>>>> and I
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> find my usb to serial adapter, so fired up my old xp
>>>>>> machine
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> for real serial port.
>>>>>> Thanks all for your help. Good to know about the fuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>>> wa0vjr@...
>>>>>> irlp 7135
>>>>>> allstar 56023
>>>>>> echolink 790800
>>>>>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via "
>>>>>> <ken=[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 11:21 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
>>>>>> kenwood
>>>>>> 851 repeater
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See Chris's comments about the fuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, the only reason to use the mic jack is if you're
>>>>>> updating
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> firmware (or don't want to otherwise with the rear panel
>>>>>> DB25).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to hear you're good to go
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 10:13 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
>>>>>>> I tried it on serial port on the back and it works, for
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> reason, not on the mike connector on the front which is
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> use on my other repeaters.? Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>>>> wa0vjr@...
>>>>>>> irlp 7135
>>>>>>> allstar 56023
>>>>>>> echolink 790800
>>>>>>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Butch-tiny puppy via "
>>>>>>> <wa0vjr=[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
>>>>>>> kenwood
>>>>>>> 851 repeater
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that is what I thought, then why do I get that error?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>>>> wa0vjr@...
>>>>>>> irlp 7135
>>>>>>> allstar 56023
>>>>>>> echolink 790800
>>>>>>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Ken Arck AH6LE via "
>>>>>>> <ken=[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2025 10:42 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] trying to read data on a
>>>>>>> kenwood
>>>>>>> 851 repeater
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KPG-91D will work
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 09:40 AM 5/10/2025, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> I thought my software for my 850 would work, but it
>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>> radio model, retry.? Does it take a different program?
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>>>>>> wa0vjr
>>>>>>>> wa0vjr@...
>>>>>>>> irlp 7135
>>>>>>>> allstar 56023
>>>>>>>> echolink 790800
>>>>>>>> new home phone 785 852-1102
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
>>>>>>> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
>>>>>>> Phone: (503) 678 6182
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
>>>>>>> We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
>>>>>>> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
>>>>>> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
>>>>>> Phone: (503) 678 6182
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
>>>>>> We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
>>>>>> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
>>>>>> []
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
>> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
>> Phone: (503) 678 6182
>>
>> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
>> We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
>> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
>> []
>>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
> Phone: (503) 678 6182
>
> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
> We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
> []
>
>
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Re: Broadcast audio on repeater receive audio
Try disconnecting the audio line FROM the receiver, AT THE RECEIVER and shorting it toward the controller. Does the offending audio go away? ?is there a change in level?
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?Then try shorting at the controller. ?Is there a change?
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What controller are you using?
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Chris Boone WB5ITT
Chris Baldwin