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Re: Tekk SDU-2000 manual

Mike Fahmie
 

I have several similar looking Tekk UHF radios purchased about 14 years ago. Don't recall their model numbers but have data at a different QTH. Might be a few weeks before I can access it though. Were these 220 MHz or 450 MHz models?
-Mike-
WA6ZTY

On Friday, February 26, 2021, 10:52:32 AM PST, Thomas Moss <thomasmoss@...> wrote:


I have a TEKK SUD-2000 dataradio that I would like to be able to use, but can not find a manual. Any help is appreciated.

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Thomas KC5KCT


Tekk SDU-2000 manual

 

I have a TEKK SUD-2000 dataradio that I would like to be able to use, but can not find a manual. Any help is appreciated.

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Thomas KC5KCT


Re: D Connectors

 

At 2/26/2021 10:05 AM, you wrote:


I happen to be pulling my hair out with connectors for the last few days trying to find a circular MIL connector that is man enough� to pass USB 3.0 and has 22 AWG or larger contacts (as specified by the government). I dont think it can be done. Smallest good connector (that actually works) that I have seen has 23/24 AWG contacts. But if its in the spec, it has to be valid. Right.
Trying to pass several GHz wide signals, your best bet might be a connector with a pair of coaxial contacts like the PT06A-18-80P / PT00A-18-80S plug/socket pair.

Bob NO6B


Re: D Connectors

 

Great info. I have gotten into knock-down / drag-out fights with people on this subject. Its kind of like “If it is on the internet, it has to be true.”�

In answer to Gary’s question, I think ITT also developed the original Coaxial inserts for the connectors. In modern times, there are now HD versions, using the same legacy shell sizes, and even some new miniature shells with even tinier contacts.

I happen to be pulling my hair out with connectors for the last few days trying to find a circular MIL connector that is “man enough� to pass USB 3.0 and has 22 AWG or larger contacts (as specified by the government). I don’t think it can be done. Smallest good connector (that actually works) that I have seen has 23/24 AWG contacts. But if its in the spec, it has to be valid. Right.

Rip

Bill Ripley, KY5Q
ARRL Instructor, STEM Mentor, CW Nut, DXer in Training

Mobile: (505) 980-8353 | Skype: wcripley
Email: KY5Q@...

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John J. Riddell via groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [repeater-builder] D Connectors

On 2/24/2021 11:26 PM, William Ripley wrote:
> >
> > I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct
> > terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx,
> > and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!

Yes ! no one makes a DB-9 Smile

See the attached article from VE3FRM

A “B� shell would be the size of a 25 pin connector.

John VE3AMZ


Re: D Connectors

 

John, VE3AMZ

Thanks for the "true" story on D-Sub connector nomenclature. I was one of those who incorrectly called it a "DB9". I stand corrected.

Was it Hewlett-Packard who came up with the D-Sub types that had coax connector version(s)? A lot of their 1960's and 70's test equipment had several D-Sub versions with anywhere from 1 to 5 coax connectors.

73, Gary W3DTN



On Friday, February 26, 2021, 11:11:45 AM EST, John J. Riddell <ve3amz@...> wrote:


On 2/24/2021 11:26 PM, William Ripley wrote:
> >
> > I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct
> > terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx,
> > and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!
Yes ! no one makes a DB-9 Smile
See the attached article from VE3FRM
A “B� shell would be the size of a 25 pin connector.
John VE3AMZ


D Connectors

 

On 2/24/2021 11:26 PM, William Ripley wrote:
> >
> > I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct
> > terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx,
> > and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!
Yes ! no one makes a DB-9 Smile
See the attached article from VE3FRM
A “B� shell would be the size of a 25 pin connector.
John VE3AMZ


Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

Thanks to a kind benefactor (not the OP), there are now manuals for the Zetron Models 42, 49, and 452/459 products on the Zetron page of Repeater-Builder.com.

At least one of these has cable wiring for 9 and 25 pin local computer serial interfacing.


Re: Motorola MTR-2000 pre-emphasized / demphasized settings

 

Jeff,
One quick comment on setting the wireline control to none. I have seen some MTR2000's that will not allow the radio to be programed for duplex operation unless the wireline card if installed, is configured for 4 Wire audio.

Joe - WA7JAW


Motorola MTR-2000 pre-emphasized / demphasized settings

 

Hi all,
I would like to know if the RX and TX audio on the MTR2K Wireline connector is pre-emphasized or de-emphasized according to the configuration of the "Audio" section of the "Channel information" or if it is always de-emphasized / pre-emphasized or always flat.

Considering that our MTR2K will not operate the remote control via Wireline, I would like to know if, after configuring "Remote control type" to "NONE" in the wireline settings, there is any importance of the parameters "Tx notch filter", "Rx notch filter" and HLGT/LLGT frequencies on the audio.

Thank you very much for your help
73
Jeff, F5BCB


Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

Also, the last 10 pages of the Model 25 Technical Manual describe that unit's serial port pinout and signals. It might be similar to what the Model 42 has. At least it's a starting point.


Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

This page:

has some info about a serial port that's close to but slightly different than what was posted above. Maybe it'll work better.


Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

Mine are next to my BFH, just in-case I shed a tear or two for the piece of equipment, electronic or otherwise, that I pounded the bejeezus out of to make it work, and it didn't.

Randy's Rules #1, If it still doesn't work after hours of repair, Hit the thing with a Hammer, if it still doesn't work after that, see Rule #2.

Randy's Rules #2, If it still doesn't work after all that, wack it with a bigger hammer, then It's either fixed or F**ked.

(These rules worked very well on CHEAP C.B. Radios and some types of consumer electronics)

- Randy R.


-------- Original message --------
From: "Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)" <tarra@...>
Date: 2/25/21 10:27 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

They are next to your Crescent wrench!

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Kelsey
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 04:17:56 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model
42 controller?

> Good luck with that ;~)
>
> Now where did I put that box of Kleenex and Q-tips?
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On 2/24/2021 11:26 PM, William Ripley wrote:
> >
> > I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct
> > terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx,
> > and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!
> >
> >
>
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Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

They are next to your Crescent wrench!

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Kelsey
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 04:17:56 AM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

Good luck with that ;~)

Now where did I put that box of Kleenex and Q-tips?

Chuck



On 2/24/2021 11:26 PM, William Ripley wrote:

I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct
terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx,
and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!





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Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

Looks like it is wanting to talk to a modem with the AT commands. May need to simulate one or assert other leads.


Stan


On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:26 PM, M M <wa6ilq@...> wrote:

I got a call back from Zetron and they were of no help, other than telling me
what I already knew...

The manual schematic tells me that it uses a MAX232 chip, and that DE9 pins
pins 1 and 3 are outputs and pins 2 and 4 are inputs, and both pin 5
and 9 are ground. I received a private message that told me that the modem
cable pinout is this:

9 pin 25 pin
1 black 20
2 red 8
3 green 2
4 white 3

I have two spare controllers on the bench and thanks to that plus Tom's
and Jeff's reply I'm able to get it to do this on power-up:

= = =
Model 42 Version 2.31
Copyright 1993-97 ZETRON INC.

96
INSTALLED OPTIONS
DISPATCH
GHOST REPEATER
EF JOHNSON BUS
VERSION 6.+ DEFAULT OPERATION
AT
AT E0 Q0 V1 X1 S0=1
= = =
The second spare does this:
= = =
Model 42 Version 2.4a
Copyright 1993-98 ZETRON INC.

64
INSTALLED OPTIONS
DISPATCH
EF JOHNSON BUS
VERSION 6.+ DEFAULT OPERATION
AT
AT E0 Q0 V1 X1 S0=1
= = =
But neither responds to anything from the keyboard.

I found a comment on another web site that Zetron had a software product
called Multibase, and that the manual for that had the info on communicating
with the units using a dumb terminal. Anybody have a Multibase manual on
their shelf? Or a PDF on their hard drive?

I have a PDF of the Model 42 manual if anybody needs it.

Mike


Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

Good luck with that ;~)

Now where did I put that box of Kleenex and Q-tips?

Chuck



On 2/24/2021 11:26 PM, William Ripley wrote:

I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx, and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!




Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

I agree, though it may be a bit OT. An offshoot of many technical people not being good spellers, no doubt.

Chuck KG6NF

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:26 PM William Ripley <bill.ripley@...> wrote:

I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx, and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!

Bill Ripley, KY5Q
ARRL Instructor, STEM Mentor, CW Nut, DXer in Training

Mobile: (505) 980-8353 | Skype: wcripley
Email: KY5Q@...

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo WN3A via
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 3:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

Yeah, that was a common issue with early Zetron products that were designed prior to any real RS-232 standard existing for DE-9's. If memory serves, they used pins 3 and 4 instead of 2 and 3 for data. And I think pin 2 was either +5V or +12V for powering external equipment. I forget what ground was...should be able to ohm it out to chassis if nothing else.

--- Jeff WN3A

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom Saunders
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

Zetron did not use the standard pin out of db-9 connectors. Check in any of their manuals for the pin outs (don’t have a manual handy here now or I’d post it)

Tom n7oep

On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:09 AM, M M <wa6ilq@...> wrote:

Yes, it's a LTR controller, and not of much interest to hams... but I'm helping a gentleman with an LTR system that uses the Zetron 42s.... and the manual sucks in the area of establishing serial communication with them.

So a request.. if anyone here knows the magical incantation needed to make the front panel DB9 port work I'd be interested in chatting with you. I have two systems each with several Zetron 42s and I need to drain the billing data.

Thanks in advance

Mike

Virus-free.


Re: Sinclair Q202GC Duplexers.

 

I think you may have replied to the wrong message : )

Mick - W7CAT

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Aspinwall
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 09:37:36 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Sinclair Q202GC Duplexers.

As the author/article at theverge represented, Fry's has been "dead
to us" for at least two years. SF Bay Area stores - Campbell, Palo Alto, San Jose, Fremont, empty hollow depressing shells of their once go-to selves. Skeleton crew of floor employees sadly paid to lie for a paycheck. Not much excuse/justification except perhaps internal mis-management and exploitation. I recall the original Fry's "7-11' store space in Sunnyvale - some techie stuff, candy/treats, magazines - nothing else until 'exploding' to various go-to locations.

Their demise evolved, along with HRO-Sunnyvale, Weird Stuff,
Alltronics, Haltek, Halted, etc. leaving us, the supposed tech-central of America with only Central Computer (good maker resource) and Anchor Electronics. Sadly in parallel the demise of the Maker spaces, events and publications. STEM/STEAM, pro-active hands-on experiences with any/all tech has too rapidly gone the way of "shop class" - "all your tech be virtual..." - but it's NOT!

MikeRoweWorks can produce plumbers, welders, mechanics, electricians,
but any/all the might and $$$ of high-tech cannot step up to facilitate network, telemetry, data center, security system, deployment, infrastructure trained persons? WTF? I've emailed Mike Rowe many times about expanding his program/scope - nadda. I tried to establish a parallel tech-related effort with some encouragement and potential backing (Silicon Valley has a LOT of money to be exploited for this...) but, have to maintain a day-job...

If FirstNet, much less commercial 2-way is ever going to survive - it
obviously needs what WE can share, while we can, before we aren't here to do so. Does anyone care? If it matters, I am willing to again strive to faciliate contact/faciliate.




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Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

I got a call back from Zetron and they were of no help, other than telling me
what I already knew...

The manual schematic tells me that it uses a MAX232 chip, and that DE9 pins
pins 1 and 3 are outputs and pins 2 and 4 are inputs, and both pin 5
and 9 are ground. I received a private message that told me that the modem
cable pinout is this:

9 pin 25 pin
1 black 20
2 red 8
3 green 2
4 white 3

I have two spare controllers on the bench and thanks to that plus Tom's
and Jeff's reply I'm able to get it to do this on power-up:

= = =
Model 42 Version 2.31
Copyright 1993-97 ZETRON INC.

96
INSTALLED OPTIONS
DISPATCH
GHOST REPEATER
EF JOHNSON BUS
VERSION 6.+ DEFAULT OPERATION
AT
AT E0 Q0 V1 X1 S0=1
= = =
The second spare does this:
= = =
Model 42 Version 2.4a
Copyright 1993-98 ZETRON INC.

64
INSTALLED OPTIONS
DISPATCH
EF JOHNSON BUS
VERSION 6.+ DEFAULT OPERATION
AT
AT E0 Q0 V1 X1 S0=1
= = =
But neither responds to anything from the keyboard.

I found a comment on another web site that Zetron had a software product
called Multibase, and that the manual for that had the info on communicating
with the units using a dumb terminal. Anybody have a Multibase manual on
their shelf? Or a PDF on their hard drive?

I have a PDF of the Model 42 manual if anybody needs it.

Mike


Re: Sinclair Q202GC Duplexers.

 

As the author/article at theverge represented, Fry's has been "dead to us" for at least two years. SF Bay Area stores - Campbell, Palo Alto, San Jose, Fremont, empty hollow depressing shells of their once go-to selves. Skeleton crew of floor employees sadly paid to lie for a paycheck. Not much excuse/justification except perhaps internal mis-management and exploitation. I recall the original Fry's "7-11' store space in Sunnyvale - some techie stuff, candy/treats, magazines - nothing else until 'exploding' to various go-to locations.

Their demise evolved, along with HRO-Sunnyvale, Weird Stuff, Alltronics, Haltek, Halted, etc. leaving us, the supposed tech-central of America with only Central Computer (good maker resource) and Anchor Electronics. Sadly in parallel the demise of the Maker spaces, events and publications. STEM/STEAM, pro-active hands-on experiences with any/all tech has too rapidly gone the way of "shop class" - "all your tech be virtual..." - but it's NOT!

MikeRoweWorks can produce plumbers, welders, mechanics, electricians, but any/all the might and $$$ of high-tech cannot step up to facilitate network, telemetry, data center, security system, deployment, infrastructure trained persons? WTF? I've emailed Mike Rowe many times about expanding his program/scope - nadda. I tried to establish a parallel tech-related effort with some encouragement and potential backing (Silicon Valley has a LOT of money to be exploited for this...) but, have to maintain a day-job...

If FirstNet, much less commercial 2-way is ever going to survive - it obviously needs what WE can share, while we can, before we aren't here to do so. Does anyone care? If it matters, I am willing to again strive to faciliate contact/faciliate.


Re: Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

 

I am so happy to find someone else that actually knows the correct terminology for the D-Sub connectors. Nearly everyone calls DB-xx, and it makes me crazy. DA-15, DB-25, DC-37, DD-50, DE-9. Thanks !!

Bill Ripley, KY5Q
ARRL Instructor, STEM Mentor, CW Nut, DXer in Training

Mobile: (505) 980-8353 | Skype: wcripley
Email: KY5Q@...

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo WN3A via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 3:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

Yeah, that was a common issue with early Zetron products that were designed prior to any real RS-232 standard existing for DE-9's. If memory serves, they used pins 3 and 4 instead of 2 and 3 for data. And I think pin 2 was either +5V or +12V for powering external equipment. I forget what ground was...should be able to ohm it out to chassis if nothing else.

--- Jeff WN3A

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom Saunders
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Anyone here familiar with a Zetron model 42 controller?

Zetron did not use the standard pin out of db-9 connectors. Check in any of their manuals for the pin outs (don’t have a manual handy here now or I’d post it)

Tom n7oep

On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:09 AM, M M <wa6ilq@...> wrote:

Yes, it's a LTR controller, and not of much interest to hams... but I'm helping a gentleman with an LTR system that uses the Zetron 42s.... and the manual sucks in the area of establishing serial communication with them.

So a request.. if anyone here knows the magical incantation needed to make the front panel DB9 port work I'd be interested in chatting with you. I have two systems each with several Zetron 42s and I need to drain the billing data.

Thanks in advance

Mike

Virus-free.