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Come on over and blast away! ?FCC Rules part 97, 95, 90 and 22! ?
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Just keep the conversation civil!
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Kevin
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MTR 2000 - PA fan reports not work, but it is working
MTR2000 (UHF, 100w) which is reporting a PA fan fault, but the fan is spinning.? No funny noises of on fan behavior observed.? PS fan spins brief and then stops and is not reporting any faults.
These fans are 2 wire fans, so its not a problem with a sense line.? Has anyone seen this before and what was the resolution?
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-Doug-, KD7DK
Seattle ACS
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Re: GE Delta/Rangr programming
Tyler,?
I was mistaken on the par number. I have two models of radio interface here: TQ3370 and TQ3330.?
The TQ3330 is marked RANGR/DELTA with a cable. I have two TQ3370s (one new in a sealed bag) and some assorted cables. I remember reading somewhere that the newer interface would only program EDACS versions on the RANGR. Should be able to search those part numbers for more info. I believe there's another groups up forum for GE/Ericsson/Tyco/MACom/Harris with more info as well.?
Jeremy K1LFK?
Jeremy?
Jeremy,
Can you give me more info on the tq3312?
WZ5TX
David “Tyler” Bufkin
well
to bad Ted i am far a way,
i have an 32 channell Phoenix here that need to be reprogrammed!
i used to have a small programmer from NHRC but i lost it!
i need to reprogrammed for an AllStar node that i want to built.
73 and Best 2025
Gervais ,ve2ckn
Tyler,
Ask around to see if any of the older 2-way shops
still have a TQ2312 *suitcase* programmer. I have 2
of them which still work :)
If you don't plan to change frequencies, you don't need
any type of head. The channels can be selected using
BCD on the main connector.
I think Jeff has one as well.
Tedd, VE3TJD
On 2024-12-30 11:03 p.m., Tyler- WZ5TX via wrote:
> Are there any other ways to program the x2212 that I’m not seeing?
> (I have the basic control head not the smart one)
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On 1/3/2025 2:44 PM, Michael Robinson
via groups.io wrote:
I agree.?
This is NOT the correct venue for discussing anything other
than building, operating and maintaining amateur radio
repeaters in accordance and compliance with 47CFR97.
Actually - the definition says this - exactly:
Repeater-Builder is a
free technical group (free
to you - we pay for a premium group plan) available to people
seeking information on building ham radio, GMRS, or commercial
repeater systems.
I had deleted
the thread - because this group is NOT for discussing FCC Rules
and Regulations.? And? - I could care less if someone is
challenging them.
Please stop responding to the thread.
Thanks,
Kevin W3KKC
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Re: DR-2X Failure to Switch to DC
I've tested my DR-2X for battery switch over but have never left it connected for actual battery backup. Like any other repeater here I would use a 120VAC coil relay to disconnect the battery during normal use then when power fails the relay will connect the battery. I would also use a separate charger for the backup battery which will of course will be out of circuit during a power failure.?
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Re: DR-2X Failure to Switch to DC
There is a micro fuse in the Yaesu supply that enables charging the battery. ?If the battery is very dead when the AC power restores there is a good probability that the fuse blew. You can open the case and check the fuse, OR put a battery on the repeater with an external charger and forgo the AC input.?
Jim
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On Jan 3, 2025, at 15:29, Bill Davis AE via groups.io <kg5ie@...> wrote:
? Our DR-2X repeater failed to switch to DC today when we had a power failure.?
Red “DC” light is on but repeater is dead. It is connected to a 12v 390 ah automotive battery.?
Any ideas?
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Re: DR-2X Failure to Switch to DC
Oh, it probably did, then when power came back, the supply in the Yaesu Crow-bared or whatever it does.?? It's a common problem.?? I don't know the fix, other than don't let the Yaesu attempt to charge it.
Oh, disconnect the battery, and remove power for a minute.?? Your Yaesu will come back to life when you reapply power.
Andy WJ9J
Our DR-2X repeater failed to switch to DC today when we had a power failure.?
Red “DC” light is on but repeater is dead. It is connected to a 12v 390 ah automotive battery.?
Any ideas?
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Re: Digital voice vs analog
Burt; Can you share what audio processor used in the W6MEP? Thanks K4SAT
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On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 01:02 PM, Burt K6OQK wrote:
From my reading of this thread, we seem to be mixing apples and oranges.
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Analog compression and digital compression are obviously two different things.? As I recall, this thread started out talking about the difference between analog audio and digital audio.? This covers quite a bit of territory, observations, and differences in equipment.
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Regarding analog as used in two-way radios: I've found considerable differences between one manufacturer and another as to their pre-emphasis and de-emphasis, as well as other audio characteristics.? OK, this really only affects the tonal quality and does not normally cause artifacts, which is really what a lot of us are talking about.? As far as clippers in radios... some people seem to overdrive limiters/clippers to get more consistent audio levels.? That's not the way to do it.? Some think that 5 kHz deviation in should cause 5 kHz deviation out.? I disagree.
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OK, as you all know I have W6MEP, an analog only repeater.? I spend a lot of time listening to it and I'm constantly evaluating the audio as heard on my various radios; a Yaesu FT-290R, an ICOM 2300H, a Motorola XTL, as well as others.? They all sound different to me.? So, where is the standard?? W6MEP has audio processing that increases or decreases audio gain as necessary to maintain a reasonably constant audio level to the end user without noticeable or annoying gain riding.? It's pretty linear in audio response and voice characteristics, it's not linear in audio level - deliberately. ?? The bottom line is I try to make W6MEP sound pleasing.
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I remember many years ago when I was at an SMPTE meeting where there was a fellow from Technicolor talking with a fellow from some other company.? The fellow from the other company told the fellow from Technicolor that their colorimetry was incorrect.? The fellow from Technicolor replied, We don't try and produce correct colorimetry, we try to make pleasing pictures.
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I sometimes think we tend to forget what the real purpose of a repeater is: to assist in communications over long or difficult paths, and to do it as pleasantly as possible.? It's not a piece of test equipment.? That's my opinion and my goal.
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Burt, K6OQK
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 04:05 PM, RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
Ahem, You seem to be forgetting about pre-emphasis/deemphasis. It is not linear. Likewise limiting has a big impact.
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You may want to better define “private”. ? Matt AL0R ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of paul dallard via groups.io Sent: Friday, January 3, 2025 14:53 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] How many hams have private repeaters? #poll-notice ? Hey Folks,? ? I have both 220 and 440 Repeaters on my home tower. Cross-linked and equipped with Allstar and Echolink. I also have a GMRS repeater here as well. I also have a Fusion repeater here as well, but it was just too busy to keep here.? Chester, PA
? I run a 2m and 70cm repeater on my home tower.? I also run a gmrs repeater for a total of 3.?
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Hey Folks,? I have both 220 and 440 Repeaters on my home tower. Cross-linked and equipped with Allstar and Echolink. I also have a GMRS repeater here as well. I also have a Fusion repeater here as well, but it was just too busy to keep here.?
de KM3W,
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On Sep 15, 2024, at 12:03 PM, WRHV671 / KI5YPZ <shawnvanhorn@...> wrote:
I run a 2m and 70cm repeater on my home tower.? I also run a gmrs repeater for a total of 3.?
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Re: GE Delta/Rangr programming
Back when I wrote the programmers for Phoenix and Delta, I used information including LBI31266B (Phoenix SX), LBI31360B (Phoenix SX scan), and a text file from the internet "GE Delta / Delta-SX EEPROM Documentation" by KA9FUR -- the site is now defunct.? The file was called "DeltaEEPROM.html".? There may be similar documentation for RANGR.
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Since I did not have a real Delta SX on which to test, I believe I compared the output of my Windows program to that which was produced by the old "Niles" DOS software.
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Also the PXP-Raw program (which only reads and writes binary data from the X2212) would work with data files emitted by the Niles software.? It has been 25 years, so I do not remember for sure.?
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Jeff n1kdo
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" This is NOT the correct venue for discussing anything other than
building, operating and maintaining amateur radio repeaters in accordance
and compliance with 47CFR97."
Repeaterbuilder isn't just for "amateur radio repeaters".
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Robinson via groups.io" To: [email protected]Sent: Friday, January 03, 2025 12:44:53 PM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] GMRS linking I agree. This is NOT the correct venue for discussing anything other than building, operating and maintaining amateur radio repeaters in accordance and compliance with 47CFR97. IF you know of someone or group that is
networking GMRS, MURS, or any other system banned from the networking of
equipment, find out where your District FCC Office is located, get the
phone number and notify the Director of illegal activity. If we don't
address this now, it's just a matter of time when some asshole on GMRS
tries to justify (at OUR expense) their need to network.
Just my $0.02 worth. Maybe GMRS operators need to get training and pass an exam like WE must do to get licensed. That would include more than a
layman's knowledge of the 47CFR90 and/or part 95 requirements.
Michael L Robinson, KC0TA
“In the beginning of a change the Patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.” ? Mark Twain
When Tyranny becomes Law, Revolution becomes Duty!
On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 3:51?PM Kevin Magloughlin via groups.io > [email protected]> wrote:
There IS a group for RULES! Search for FCC-Rules and you will find it.
I set it up dome time ago.
Move the conversation over there if you like.
73
Kevin
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DR-2X Failure to Switch to DC
Our DR-2X repeater failed to switch to DC today when we had a power failure.?
Red “DC” light is on but repeater is dead. It is connected to a 12v 390 ah automotive battery.?
Any ideas?
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Re: "The REAL Reason Repeaters Are Dead!"
He’s famous
I don’t think they would be to happy!
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On Jan 3, 2025, at 11:27?AM, Alan KM4BA <ml9003@...> wrote:
?On 1/3/2025 9:03 AM, KX4PQ wrote:
In the Atlanta area, the guy running that GMRS system has been apprised of the new FCC ruling, regarding linking of GMRS repeaters, but claims it doesn't apply to him! That's going to be interesting, since NGA GMRS simulcasts on 6+ frequencies. I can normally hear 4 at the same time with same content.
Not going to debate whether this is right or wrong, but my personal view is that glomming onto every GMRS repeater frequency in a metro area to just simulcast is against the spirit, intent, and legal definition of the GMRS service. But that's between the owner/operator of NA GMRS and the FCC. Maybe he wants a test case?
Have fun,
Alan KM4BA
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I think the mods killed the original thread, let's not reignite it.
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I agree.? This is NOT the correct venue for discussing anything other than building, operating and maintaining amateur radio repeaters in accordance and compliance with 47CFR97.? IF? you know of someone or group that is networking GMRS, MURS, or any other system banned from the networking of equipment, find out where your District FCC Office is located, get the phone number and notify the Director of illegal activity.? If we don't address this now, it's just a matter of time when some asshole on GMRS tries to justify (at OUR expense) their need to network.
Just my $0.02 worth.? Maybe GMRS operators need to get training and pass an exam like WE must do to get licensed.? That would include more than a layman's knowledge of the 47CFR90 and/or part 95 requirements.
Michael L Robinson, KC0TA
“In the beginning of a change the Patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.”
― Mark Twain
When Tyranny becomes Law, Revolution becomes Duty!
On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 3:51?PM Kevin Magloughlin via <krmjqo= [email protected]> wrote: There IS a group for RULES!? Search for FCC-Rules and you will find it. ?
I set it up dome time ago.?
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Move the conversation over there if you like.?
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73
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Kevin
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Re: GE Delta/Rangr programming
Jeremy,
Can you give me more info on the tq3312?
WZ5TX
David “Tyler” Bufkin
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well
to bad Ted i am far a way,
i have an 32 channell Phoenix here that need to be reprogrammed!
i used to have a small programmer from NHRC but i lost it!
i need to reprogrammed for an AllStar node that i want to built.
73 and Best 2025
Gervais ,ve2ckn
Tyler,
Ask around to see if any of the older 2-way shops
still have a TQ2312 *suitcase* programmer. I have 2
of them which still work :)
If you don't plan to change frequencies, you don't need
any type of head. The channels can be selected using
BCD on the main connector.
I think Jeff has one as well.
Tedd, VE3TJD
On 2024-12-30 11:03 p.m., Tyler- WZ5TX via groups.io wrote:
> Are there any other ways to program the x2212 that I’m not seeing?
> (I have the basic control head not the smart one)
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Re: Looking for recommendations for Commercial Transceivers for VHF data communications (APRS, VARA FM, etc)
The Kenwood NX-5700 works great for aprs can be used for other uses
and the aprs modem pulls it to the aprs channel sends data
and reverts to normal operation
Roger
On 1/3/2025 8:45 AM, ad7i RADIO via
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Terrific.? Thanks David for the clear explanation on
recapping.? Thanks also for the info on splits.? I'll add the
Spectras to my list of radios for consideration.
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Paul, ad7i
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Re: GE Delta/Rangr programming
well
to bad Ted i am far a way,
i have an 32 channell Phoenix here that need to be reprogrammed!
i used to have a small programmer from NHRC but i lost it!
i need to reprogrammed for an AllStar node that i want to built.
73 and Best 2025
Gervais ,ve2ckn
Tyler,
Ask around to see if any of the older 2-way shops
still have a TQ2312 *suitcase* programmer. I have 2
of them which still work :)
If you don't plan to change frequencies, you don't need
any type of head. The channels can be selected using
BCD on the main connector.
I think Jeff has one as well.
Tedd, VE3TJD
On 2024-12-30 11:03 p.m., Tyler- WZ5TX via groups.io wrote:
> Are there any other ways to program the x2212 that I’m not seeing?
> (I have the basic control head not the smart one)
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Re: GE Delta/Rangr programming
Tyler,?
Not that it helps in this situation, but I have an extra TQ3312 PC programming interface (which I thought worked with the Rangr) that I'm willing to part with. I don't need two. I also have a NOS low band (40-50mhz) Rangr in its original box if you're interested.?
Speaking of suitcase programmers, I've now acquired 3 Motorola R1801's which I certainly don't need all (or perhaps any) of.?
Apologies if I'm inadvertantly hijacking the thread.?
Jeremy K1LFK?
Tyler,
Ask around to see if any of the older 2-way shops
still have a TQ2312 *suitcase* programmer. I have 2
of them which still work :)
If you don't plan to change frequencies, you don't need
any type of head. The channels can be selected using
BCD on the main connector.
I think Jeff has one as well.
Tedd, VE3TJD
On 2024-12-30 11:03 p.m., Tyler- WZ5TX via wrote:
> Are there any other ways to program the x2212 that I’m not seeing?
> (I have the basic control head not the smart one)
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Doug Kingston, KD7DK
Kevin Custer
RFI-EMI-GUY
Jeff Otterson n1kdo
Bill Davis AE
Chris Baldwin
Gervais Fillion