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Re: How much do your calibrations vary?

 

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Jim
Yes good idea Jim. I have voltage regulators on each calibrator voltage line, 12v, 5v, and 3.3v and I can tell you they do drift slightly over months of time. Have not charted that but might be another source of change. I have to tweak them a few hundredths or tenths of a volt every month or two but seldom more than a volt. I keep an external box fan ?on 24/7 behind the desktop JOVE computers and calibrator. I have one older Dell that the power supply is slightly under sized and it runs hot. These new NVIDIA graphic cards are power hungry. When you purchase new computers its wise, I found out, to select largest power supply available. Even more of an issue for those running laptops. With radio room ?HVAC temp control and fan for additional circulation, temp never varys in the radio room much more than two degrees. I have one experimental test equipment box I fabricated ?that's ?temperature controlled with peltier thermoelectric modules and PT100 sensitive platinum RTD temperature sensors that can regulate its metal cabinet temp to less than one degree.?

Jim your new calibrator board should be super stable.?
Larry

On Mar 10, 2025, at 1:10?AM, Dave Typinski via groups.io <davetyp@...> wrote:

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This is an outstanding line of investigation, Jim!? Excellent idea.
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Dave


On 3/10/25 00:47, Jim Sky wrote:
For those who have ongoing observations and working calibrators,? I would like to ask a favor.? I want to see how much your calibrations vary over time.? If you have the calibrator running automatically every observation changes in the calibration plot will probably show some "thickening" indicating the amount of variance over several days.? Watching that display can give some confidence that things have not changed due to a problem in the telescope. Below is a copy of my calibration plot for my dipole over 10 consecutive days.? It is hard to know where this variation comes from, the receiver or the calibrator.? My experience has been that the SDRPlay 1A really requires an hour warmup to fully stabilize, which would indicate some temperature dependency probably even after the warmup.? The noise generator inside probably has some power drift with temperature and may have some sensitivity also to changes in it's power supply voltage. While it would be good to sort out the source of calibration plot variation, I am mostly interested in setting realistic error bars to our measurement.??
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If you can, please post a screenshot of your calibration chart (like mine below) after it has run uninterrupted for 10 or more days.? Also I would like to have your best guess at how much temperature variation your receiver and calibrator experienced from night to night when the observation started.? For example, my setup is in a partially heated room that experienced big differences from night to night during the period shown on the plot and I estimate it experienced about 8 degrees C from night to night.? ?I am interested in the temperatures when the calibration was performed, not throughout the day.? If your house has a well regulated heating system your system might experience less than a degree of variation between calibrations.
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Thanks!
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Jim Sky?
radiosky at radiosky dot com


Re: How much do your calibrations vary?

 

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This is an outstanding line of investigation, Jim!? Excellent idea.
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Dave


On 3/10/25 00:47, Jim Sky wrote:

For those who have ongoing observations and working calibrators,? I would like to ask a favor.? I want to see how much your calibrations vary over time.? If you have the calibrator running automatically every observation changes in the calibration plot will probably show some "thickening" indicating the amount of variance over several days.? Watching that display can give some confidence that things have not changed due to a problem in the telescope. Below is a copy of my calibration plot for my dipole over 10 consecutive days.? It is hard to know where this variation comes from, the receiver or the calibrator.? My experience has been that the SDRPlay 1A really requires an hour warmup to fully stabilize, which would indicate some temperature dependency probably even after the warmup.? The noise generator inside probably has some power drift with temperature and may have some sensitivity also to changes in it's power supply voltage. While it would be good to sort out the source of calibration plot variation, I am mostly interested in setting realistic error bars to our measurement.??
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If you can, please post a screenshot of your calibration chart (like mine below) after it has run uninterrupted for 10 or more days.? Also I would like to have your best guess at how much temperature variation your receiver and calibrator experienced from night to night when the observation started.? For example, my setup is in a partially heated room that experienced big differences from night to night during the period shown on the plot and I estimate it experienced about 8 degrees C from night to night.? ?I am interested in the temperatures when the calibration was performed, not throughout the day.? If your house has a well regulated heating system your system might experience less than a degree of variation between calibrations.
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Thanks!
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Jim Sky?
radiosky at radiosky dot com


How much do your calibrations vary?

 

For those who have ongoing observations and working calibrators,? I would like to ask a favor.? I want to see how much your calibrations vary over time.? If you have the calibrator running automatically every observation changes in the calibration plot will probably show some "thickening" indicating the amount of variance over several days.? Watching that display can give some confidence that things have not changed due to a problem in the telescope. Below is a copy of my calibration plot for my dipole over 10 consecutive days.? It is hard to know where this variation comes from, the receiver or the calibrator.? My experience has been that the SDRPlay 1A really requires an hour warmup to fully stabilize, which would indicate some temperature dependency probably even after the warmup.? The noise generator inside probably has some power drift with temperature and may have some sensitivity also to changes in it's power supply voltage. While it would be good to sort out the source of calibration plot variation, I am mostly interested in setting realistic error bars to our measurement.??
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If you can, please post a screenshot of your calibration chart (like mine below) after it has run uninterrupted for 10 or more days.? Also I would like to have your best guess at how much temperature variation your receiver and calibrator experienced from night to night when the observation started.? For example, my setup is in a partially heated room that experienced big differences from night to night during the period shown on the plot and I estimate it experienced about 8 degrees C from night to night.? ?I am interested in the temperatures when the calibration was performed, not throughout the day.? If your house has a well regulated heating system your system might experience less than a degree of variation between calibrations.
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Thanks!
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Jim Sky?
radiosky at radiosky dot com


Re: Solar. 09/03/2025

 

Looks good!

John




On Sunday, March 9, 2025, 10:59 PM, salvador aguirre via groups.io <drsaguirre@...> wrote:

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Solar events Today
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Salvador


Solar. 09/03/2025

 

Hi
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Solar events Today
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Salvador


Re: Some non-Io-A from tonight March 09 2025

 

Very nice non-Io-A, Richard.

The increasing frequency circa 2244 to 2252 UTC is interesting. That may say more about the ionosphere than the arc shape.

Non-Io-A is always vertex late (negative freq drift).

Non-Io-B is RCP and has a positive freq drift -- but it would be very strange, albeit not impossible, to see non-Io-B emission way over in the non-Io-A zone.

Most likely that positive rate was due to ionospheric effects. Sometimes the emission can appear to have drift rate opposite of what's expected across a MHz or three if ionospheric dynamics decide to join the party. I suspect that's what's happening here. When the analysis is zoomed out to a half hour or more and to 10 MHz bandwidth or more, then the true arc shape becomes more apparent.
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Dave

On 3/9/25 21:31, Richard Gray via groups.io wrote:
I think this is classified as non-Io-A. This is from earlier tonight.
Richard


Re: Solar March 09, 2025

 

Thanks Richard!? I appreciate you getting back to me.
Peter

On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 9:45?PM Richard Gray via <grayro=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Peter,
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On these images, the offset was about 1420 with a color gain of about 7.? Those settings may not work with images from all SDRs.? I have a site with a fairly low background and I am using an SDR (RX-888 Mk II) which has a 16bit ADC, so it has a good dynamic range.
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Richard


Re: Solar March 09, 2025

 

Hi Peter,
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On these images, the offset was about 1420 with a color gain of about 7.? Those settings may not work with images from all SDRs.? I have a site with a fairly low background and I am using an SDR (RX-888 Mk II) which has a 16bit ADC, so it has a good dynamic range.
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Richard


Some non-Io-A from tonight March 09 2025

 

I think this is classified as non-Io-A.?? This is from earlier tonight.
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Richard


Re: Solar March 09, 2025

 

Beautiful Richard,
What is your color offset and gain?
Peter

On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 9:25?PM Richard Gray via <grayro=[email protected]> wrote:
Some solar from today.
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Richard


Solar March 09, 2025

 

Some solar from today.
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Richard


Some more Io-B from last night March 08/09 2025

 

Some more from the Io-B storm of last night.
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Richard


Solar 03/09/2025 Easley, South Carolina

 

Good evening again:

? ? ?Solar from today.

John


Solar 9 MAR 2025

 

Observations from Grafton, WV.
Some solar, one hard to see because of the noise.

~Duane


More Solar Events 9 March 2025, Prospect, ME

 

Two of the attached are a bit weak but I think real events....bill....


Solar Events 9March 2025, Prospect, ME

 

Maybe another active day? ....bill....


solar (?) on 08/09 March

 

Good day all!

Received odd/interesting captures that I would like to toss out there.
File 250308223429 Is this soler or maybe Jove. Both in a good postion.
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Also Both in good position, Upper Band Solar?
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Upper Band Solar?? I haven't seen many of these at my location, so my experience is quite low.

Thanks for any feedback!

Carl
Wasilla AK, USA
UTC-9





Re: Io-B March 8 2025

 

Fantastic captures!
Well Done Richard

Carl

On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 3:26?AM salvador aguirre via <drsaguirre=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Richard.
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right place and time!!
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Regards
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Salvador


Re: Io-B March 8 2025

 

Hi Richard.
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right place and time!!
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Regards
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Salvador