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Re: Crystals


 

Chuck,
I'm still looking for the HC-49S data that I have, but I did find some data from a batch of 8MHz HC-49U crystals that I have. I used the method outlined in Jim?K8IQY's excellent paper on crystal characterization. I built the impedance-reducing circuit to measure, and used an HP8640B as the signal source, Philips PM6665 counter and an HP400EL RMS voltmeter for measurements. I created a spreadsheet to do the math that followed Jim's procedure. The first 4 columns are measured, with the following 4 calculated. Out of curiosity, I added an entry for the crystal's frequency in the G3UUR oscillator test fixture (labeled Fosc). The last column is the difference between the resonant?frequency measured with the signal generator and the G3UUR oscillator. I expected to see a fairly?consistent difference between the two methods, but I did not. You can see that in the last number in the?spreadsheet.

I think an advantage over the oscillator method is the crystal under test is only seeing very low power (-20dbm to -30dbm) which prevents heating. The crystal frequency in the G3UUR oscillator drifts quite a bit, although it does seem to stabilize over 5-10 minutes. I can't remember exactly, but I believe I waited the same amount of time with each crystal in that fixture before taking the reading. Maybe I have a problem with my G3UUR fixture?

Hopefully this is readable.

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73
Mike M.? KU4QO

On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 1:03?PM chuck adams via <chuck.adams.phd=[email protected]> wrote:
What is SSB?? :-)

Yes, you're right.? Yes. Please post.? We need more data.
There are always tradeoffs between the two crystals.
One operates in the shear mode and the other in the
flex mode.? One of the reasons I want a internal photo.
Some machinist is going to have to do that as I no longer
have my mill and lathe.

I didn't think (do I ever?) to do a search of youtube and
now I find several videos on measuring different ways.
I did not compare with G3UUR fixture, but we can add that
to the list of 'to do' things or better known and 'bucket
list'.

chow,

chuck, look at the leader of 'send in the clowns'

On 3/13/25 09:48, Michael Maiorana via wrote:
> Hi Chuck,
> Yes, the HC-49S crystals can have excellent Q, but their Lm to Lc
> ratio is very high which makes them impractical for use in wider
> filters (SSB, etc).
> I have some measurements somewhere. If you'd like, I can dig them up
> and post them.
> 73
> Mike M.? KU4QO
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 11:44?AM chuck adams via
> <> <chuck.adams.phd=[email protected]> wrote:
>
>? ? ?One more thingy.
>
>? ? ?I forgot to mention.? If you will note, the K7QO paper had one HC-49S
>? ? ?(the short
>? ? ?crystal).? In a current shopping spree I find that the HC-49U has
>? ? ?practically
>? ? ?disappeared from the face of the earth.
>
>? ? ?But that may be a good thing.? Note:? the HC-49S crystal in the paper
>? ? ?had the
>? ? ?highest Q rating!!
>
>? ? ?Figure 1 in Chucks paper shows a HC-49U carefully taken apart. Try
>? ? ?to find
>? ? ?a photograph of a HC-49S.? I dare you.? Some take one apart and do
>? ? ?a high
>? ? ?resolution photo.? Please.
>
>? ? ?chuck
>
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