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Re: Super low noise PSU for the OXCOs


 

Dave,

Home Run!

"Personally rather than all the messing around testing 100s LM317s, I would have designed a power supply a voltage reference chip used in 6.5 digit multimeters - the LM399 "

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It deftly demonstrates you have never repaired a bench grade DMM. Nor have you read the LM399 and LM317 datasheets. For that matter, you've not bothered with the topic context either. As it is building a PSU for an LM399.

Where do *you* get stable power for high precision long term (multi-year) measurements? I invite you to enlighten us as to how you address the +/-5 % mains tolerances and their ensuing effects. Rotating convertors are fabulous, but rather expensive to operate.

The LM317s are to regulate the mains power to an LM399, one or more CTI OSC5A3B02 OXCOs and the instrumentation amplifier voltage followers. Among other things. I need to reduce the 1e-1 grid variation and *all other* external unpredictable perturbations to well under 1e-9 to 1e-12. Per year!

That requires at least 2 LM317s (e.g. following the preregulator arrangement in the datasheet). I'm likely to do 3 or 4. Dual LM317 circuit from 27 Vp transformer nominal to 15 Vdc with large (100 Farad) capacitor bank to provide load stability followed by 10 V output from 3rd LM317 for the LM399 and the voltage followers with a similar 10 WVDC capacitor bank. Similar feed and topology for the 5 V supply for the OXCO and ATMega. Very heavy filtering and isolation throughout.

By careful selection from data measured over a range of voltages and temperatures, I should be able to make up pairs with as close to a zero tempco as can be done. I'll let an MCU deal with the last few bits.

The tempco matching may be an argument for dual LM317s for each output voltage. I spent much of the day contemplating using a Peltier junction to create a pair of reversible tempco test tunnels.

Have Fun!
Reg

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 04:41:39 PM CDT, David Kirkby <drkirkby@...> wrote:


On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 at 23:22, Reginald Beardsley via <pulaskite=[email protected]> wrote:
The LM317s arrived.? Now I? have to characterize them.? The tabs are the outputs so I've ordered nylon threaded hex spacers? to assist in mounting them.

I've got 5x 44421/2A relay cards and a 3457A.? Inclination is to use an ATMega to drive the relay cards via GPIB along with the 3457A.? At NPLC 10 the 3457A will? read each device twice a minute at 7.5 digits in MATH HI-RES mode.? 15 mV seems a good choice of reference voltage as that will put the 3457A mid range on its lowest scale.

I dont know exactly what you are doing , so maybe the 30 mV range is best,?but the worst range for 24 hour stability on the 3457A is its 30 mV range. It¡¯s more than 10x worse than the 3 V range and twice as bad as the 300 V range.?

The relevant question is what are the "ideal" parameters?? I have no clue at this point other than simple stability over time and temperature.? That may be it.? Pick pairs which have best lab environment stability.

There¡¯s a good video on YouTube


of someone evaluating the performance of the ADR1000A?


which is a voltage reference device which?maybe better than the LTZ1000A

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I say maybe better, since he will not know until years of testing would have been completed.?

Personally rather than all the messing around testing 100s LM317s, I would have designed a power supply a voltage reference chip used in 6.5 digit multimeters - the LM399.?


Have Fun!
Reg


Dave

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