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Loco Weights


 

I thought we'd had this conversation in the group before, but can't find a reference...

Is there a rule of thumb for adding weight to a loco - enough to make the most of its power without adding unnecessary strain?

I'm actually getting close to finishing a loco; the prototype is a petrol-electric bogie unit.

The model is plastic and with one powered bullant unit. Ideally, I'd like it to pull half a dozen wrightlines WDLR wagons which have some rolling resistance as they're mostly from the non-pinpoint bearing era.

Before adding weight the loco is 125g and barely enough mass to avoid wheels pin on its own. I've enough lead prepared to fit the body she'll to bring it up to 350g. I've no shortage of lead and plenty of space.

What's the mass is similar locos out there- could equally be a Garrett, funkey, Fairlie. And if powered on just 1 bogie, how is the weight distributed?

Cheers
Simon


 

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Simon,
Are there any gradients in your WDLR scenario? I suspect your answer is going to be down to trial and error on your part. Put a pannier on your loco and add weights until you get the traction you need, where you need it, then transfer the equivalent weight to under the body. Don't forget to add typical loads to your wagons first!
I can only speak from observing the effect on others' layouts when I say DON'T graphite your track.
David


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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:51:48 +0000
Subject: [O14] Loco Weights

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I thought we'd had this conversation in the group before, but can't find a reference...

Is there a rule of thumb for adding weight to a loco - enough to make the most of its power without adding unnecessary strain?

I'm actually getting close to finishing a loco; the prototype is a petrol-electric bogie unit.

The model is plastic and with one powered bullant unit. Ideally, I'd like it to pull half a dozen wrightlines WDLR wagons which have some rolling resistance as they're mostly from the non-pinpoint bearing era.

Before adding weight the loco is 125g and barely enough mass to avoid wheels pin on its own. I've enough lead prepared to fit the body she'll to bring it up to 350g. I've no shortage of lead and plenty of space.

What's the mass is similar locos out there- could equally be a Garrett, funkey, Fairlie. And if powered on just 1 bogie, how is the weight distributed?

Cheers
Simon


 

Simon,
You are better off trying to keep the weight equal on both ends, that way the loco will behave equally, this means you need to have slightly more weight added to the non drive [powered] end, because you have to allow for the weight of the Bullant drive, now as for how much weight you can add, you need to look at what your overall ratio is on your drive system take a look at the specs. on the motor and calculate based on the ratio as to what rpm. the motor is going to be running when the loco is travelling at the nominal scale speed, ideally your motor is going to be running at or near its maximum torque output at that speed, but if not it doesn't matter too much, the main value you need to take note of is the nominal current draw is when the motor is running at its maximum torque, its is this value that you need to aim for.
Now you need to set your loco up so it has a load to pull and set up your multi meter to read m/amps., try driving the loco to pull the load, if you get wheelslip, add some more weight to each end of the loco and try again, at the sametime keep checking the current draw, keep repeating this process until the loco can pull the load comfortably or you reach that current draw limit, remember it is better to have the wheels being able to slip rather then having too much weight and the wheels not being able to slip, because that will stall the motor and burn it out.



Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.

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Subject: [O14] Loco Weights

I thought we'd had this conversation in the group before, but can't find a reference...

Is there a rule of thumb for adding weight to a loco - enough to make the most of its power without adding unnecessary strain?

I'm actually getting close to finishing a loco; the prototype is a petrol-electric bogie unit.

The model is plastic and with one powered bullant unit. Ideally, I'd like it to pull half a dozen wrightlines WDLR wagons which have some rolling resistance as they're mostly from the non-pinpoint bearing era.

Before adding weight the loco is 125g and barely enough mass to avoid wheels pin on its own. I've enough lead prepared to fit the body she'll to bring it up to 350g. I've no shortage of lead and plenty of space.

What's the mass is similar locos out there- could equally be a Garrett, funkey, Fairlie. And if powered on just 1 bogie, how is the weight distributed?

Cheers
Simon

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Hi Simon,

A quick?weigh up?of my PLR stock is as follows:

L&B style Manning Wardle 2-6-2 (scratch built) - 520g
WD Baldwin 4-6-0 - 510g
K1 Garratt 0-4-0 + 0-4-0 - 540g - front engine 240g & rear engine 300g
And for contrast my Scale 7 GWR 2-6-2 prairie is going to be about 1.4kg.

K1 will pull everything I've got, the Baldwin is pretty good and the?Manning Wardle has always been the poorest hauler on the line.

I hope this helps.
John

On 24 Jan 2016, at 09:51, Simon Jones simon@... [O14] wrote:

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I thought we'd had this conversation in the group before, but can't find a reference...

Is there a rule of thumb for adding weight to a loco - enough to make the most of its power without adding unnecessary strain?

I'm actually getting close to finishing a loco; the prototype is a petrol-electric bogie unit.

The model is plastic and with one powered bullant unit. Ideally, I'd like it to pull half a dozen wrightlines WDLR wagons which have some rolling resistance as they're mostly from the non-pinpoint bearing era.

Before adding weight the loco is 125g and barely enough mass to avoid wheels pin on its own. I've enough lead prepared to fit the body she'll to bring it up to 350g. I've no shortage of lead and plenty of space.

What's the mass is similar locos out there- could equally be a Garrett, funkey, Fairlie. And if powered on just 1 bogie, how is the weight distributed?

Cheers
Simon



 

Hi Simon

My "rebuilt Funkey" Vale of Ffestiniog weighs in at 524gm.? She has a BullAnt 8w drive chassis, runs superbly and is a good hauler.

Hope this help

Cheers

David




From: "Simon Jones simon@... [O14]"
To: O14@...
Sent: Sunday, 24 January 2016, 9:51
Subject: [O14] Loco Weights

?
I thought we'd had this conversation in the group before, but can't find a reference...

Is there a rule of thumb for adding weight to a loco - enough to make the most of its power without adding unnecessary strain?

I'm actually getting close to finishing a loco; the prototype is a petrol-electric bogie unit.

The model is plastic and with one powered bullant unit. Ideally, I'd like it to pull half a dozen wrightlines WDLR wagons which have some rolling resistance as they're mostly from the non-pinpoint bearing era.

Before adding weight the loco is 125g and barely enough mass to avoid wheels pin on its own. I've enough lead prepared to fit the body she'll to bring it up to 350g. I've no shortage of lead and plenty of space.

What's the mass is similar locos out there- could equally be a Garrett, funkey, Fairlie. And if powered on just 1 bogie, how is the weight distributed?

Cheers
Simon



 

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Thank you all for your good advice. David & John’s weights for similar-ish locos are showing a pattern. Apart from that St*&%@?d gauge thing - which I’d spotted on your blog, and then ferreted out the K1 articles in NG&I to see if that had weights.

Brian’s method would be ideal if I had more than 15” of track! I’m hoping to see it move further and a little quicker at Mickleover on Saturday, where Paul has suggested he’ll have a test-track. Perhaps I should dig out some wagons too.

In the meantime, by Sunday night it had reached 474g (with about 20g more over the motor) and tonight I’ve brought it up to what turns out to be 509g, before cab detail, white metal driver (still to be acquired) and paint (though I hope there won’t be enough of that to count in the mass stakes.

Cheers
Simon


On 24 Jan 2016, at 16:14, David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:


Hi Simon

My "rebuilt Funkey" Vale of Ffestiniog weighs in at 524gm.? She has a BullAnt 8w drive chassis, runs superbly and is a good hauler.

Hope this help

Cheers

David




From:?"Simon Jones simon@... [O14]" <O14@...>
To:?O14@...?
Sent:?Sunday, 24 January 2016, 9:51
Subject:?[O14] Loco Weights

?
I thought we'd had this conversation in the group before, but can't find a reference...

Is there a rule of thumb for adding weight to a loco - enough to make the most of its power without adding unnecessary strain?

I'm actually getting close to finishing a loco; the prototype is a petrol-electric bogie unit.

The model is plastic and with one powered bullant unit. Ideally, I'd like it to pull half a dozen wrightlines WDLR wagons which have some rolling resistance as they're mostly from the non-pinpoint bearing era.

Before adding weight the loco is 125g and barely enough mass to avoid wheels pin on its own. I've enough lead prepared to fit the body she'll to bring it up to 350g. I've no shortage of lead and plenty of space.

What's the mass is similar locos out there- could equally be a Garrett, funkey, Fairlie. And if powered on just 1 bogie, how is the weight distributed?

Cheers
Simon