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A3014 Micro display

 

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Hi Frank,
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What you have written, is what I believe is the problem?
?
I have a Cannon EOS 550D , and I have not explored all the settings, however I am sure the camera has the capability for all these different settings.
?
I have also been advised to take pictures in RAW format, although, again, I haven’t experimented with this, and do not properly understand the difference, and I neither have, or know how to use Photoshop?
?
When I do a photographic session at home, and use the special photography lighting, the colour balance is good. However, at exhibitions when I take pictures with the display quartz halogen lighting, I then get the “yellow” saturation. Maybe I need to experiment at home with the quartz halogen lights to see how to remove the yellow, and get a better colour balance??
?
Thanks again for your tips, I think I need to get busy with experimenting with all the different camera settings
?
Best regards
Bruce
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Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
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Hi Bruce,

Regarding the colour balance of photographs it may be that the photographers are altering the white balance setting on their cameras. On my Canon DSLR I can alter the white balance to whatever the ambient light is. I can set it for Tungsten, Flourescent etc. at the time of taking the photos. Also if I take in RAW format photoshop has a setting to adjust the balance. This does not apply if the photo is save as a JPG.

I don't think that the compact digital cameras have as much flexibility.

Best wishes

Frank Metcalf



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:36:58 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
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Hi David,
?
Thank-you for the tip on the lighting. I was thinking of a desk lamp, the type with the long swinging arm. (I think that is the same as what you have suggested?)
?
My O16.5 display (which is approx 1 meter x 1 meter in the display area) has an overhead gantry, with six adjustable quarts halogen lights.? A lot of the pictures I have taken have a yellow bias. I have tried adjusting the camera, without success, so I need to do some homework on possibly replacing the current globes to give a better balance of colour? I don’t know why, however pictures I have seen taken by other photographers of my display, do have a good balance of colour, so maybe they are using a photograph editing application to adjust the colour balance?
?
Thanks for the information on the A3014 motorway – I wasn’t aware of that! I am a member of the Gauge O Guild.
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:43 AM
To: o14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
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Bruce,
Now I've managed to see the photos - v nice indeed! No excuses now: I need to crack on.
On the lighting front, most of the box file layouts at Swanley a couple of years ago had simple angle poise lamps. There are many types of bulb out there to give different light temperatures, even dimmable and varicolour LED arrays, so you can replicate dawn to dusk light angles and colour.
By the way, I used to live not far from the A3014 road here in the UK, and would use it to visit the Gauge 0 Guild open day at Normandy, Surrey. See ?
Cheers,
David
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snip
<A3014 is now virtually complete, so I have posted a couple of pics. I will probably need to consider a back scene, and as for lighting, I haven’t started to consider how to apply lighting to something so small?>


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Hi Bruce,

As you are using a Canon EOS 550D then, yes, you need to explore white balance in the settings. I use a Canon EOS 700D, and before that a Canon EOS 450D. You do not need Photoshop to manipulate RAW as Canon have their own photoediting software on the disk which comes with the camera or you can download it from their site.

Best wishes

Frank



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:35:09 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?

Hi Frank,
?
What you have written, is what I believe is the problem?
?
I have a Cannon EOS 550D , and I have not explored all the settings, however I am sure the camera has the capability for all these different settings.
?
I have also been advised to take pictures in RAW format, although, again, I haven’t experimented with this, and do not properly understand the difference, and I neither have, or know how to use Photoshop?
?
When I do a photographic session at home, and use the special photography lighting, the colour balance is good. However, at exhibitions when I take pictures with the display quartz halogen lighting, I then get the “yellow” saturation. Maybe I need to experiment at home with the quartz halogen lights to see how to remove the yellow, and get a better colour balance??
?
Thanks again for your tips, I think I need to get busy with experimenting with all the different camera settings
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
?

Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?

Hi Bruce,

Regarding the colour balance of photographs it may be that the photographers are altering the white balance setting on their cameras. On my Canon DSLR I can alter the white balance to whatever the ambient light is. I can set it for Tungsten, Flourescent etc. at the time of taking the photos. Also if I take in RAW format photoshop has a setting to adjust the balance. This does not apply if the photo is save as a JPG.

I don't think that the compact digital cameras have as much flexibility.

Best wishes

Frank Metcalf



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:36:58 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
?
Hi David,
?
Thank-you for the tip on the lighting. I was thinking of a desk lamp, the type with the long swinging arm. (I think that is the same as what you have suggested?)
?
My O16.5 display (which is approx 1 meter x 1 meter in the display area) has an overhead gantry, with six adjustable quarts halogen lights.? A lot of the pictures I have taken have a yellow bias. I have tried adjusting the camera, without success, so I need to do some homework on possibly replacing the current globes to give a better balance of colour? I don’t know why, however pictures I have seen taken by other photographers of my display, do have a good balance of colour, so maybe they are using a photograph editing application to adjust the colour balance?
?
Thanks for the information on the A3014 motorway – I wasn’t aware of that! I am a member of the Gauge O Guild.
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:43 AM
To: o14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
?
Bruce,
Now I've managed to see the photos - v nice indeed! No excuses now: I need to crack on.
On the lighting front, most of the box file layouts at Swanley a couple of years ago had simple angle poise lamps. There are many types of bulb out there to give different light temperatures, even dimmable and varicolour LED arrays, so you can replicate dawn to dusk light angles and colour.
By the way, I used to live not far from the A3014 road here in the UK, and would use it to visit the Gauge 0 Guild open day at Normandy, Surrey. See ?
Cheers,
David
?
snip
<A3014 is now virtually complete, so I have posted a couple of pics. I will probably need to consider a back scene, and as for lighting, I haven’t started to consider how to apply lighting to something so small?>


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Thanks Frank – I can see I have some learning / experimenting to do!
?
Hopefully, this weekend I can start to improve my results?
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
?

Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:30 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?

Hi Bruce,

As you are using a Canon EOS 550D then, yes, you need to explore white balance in the settings. I use a Canon EOS 700D, and before that a Canon EOS 450D. You do not need Photoshop to manipulate RAW as Canon have their own photoediting software on the disk which comes with the camera or you can download it from their site.

Best wishes

Frank



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:35:09 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
?
Hi Frank,
?
What you have written, is what I believe is the problem?
?
I have a Cannon EOS 550D , and I have not explored all the settings, however I am sure the camera has the capability for all these different settings.
?
I have also been advised to take pictures in RAW format, although, again, I haven’t experimented with this, and do not properly understand the difference, and I neither have, or know how to use Photoshop?
?
When I do a photographic session at home, and use the special photography lighting, the colour balance is good. However, at exhibitions when I take pictures with the display quartz halogen lighting, I then get the “yellow” saturation. Maybe I need to experiment at home with the quartz halogen lights to see how to remove the yellow, and get a better colour balance??
?
Thanks again for your tips, I think I need to get busy with experimenting with all the different camera settings
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
?
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
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Hi Bruce,

Regarding the colour balance of photographs it may be that the photographers are altering the white balance setting on their cameras. On my Canon DSLR I can alter the white balance to whatever the ambient light is. I can set it for Tungsten, Flourescent etc. at the time of taking the photos. Also if I take in RAW format photoshop has a setting to adjust the balance. This does not apply if the photo is save as a JPG.

I don't think that the compact digital cameras have as much flexibility.

Best wishes

Frank Metcalf



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:36:58 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
?
Hi David,
?
Thank-you for the tip on the lighting. I was thinking of a desk lamp, the type with the long swinging arm. (I think that is the same as what you have suggested?)
?
My O16.5 display (which is approx 1 meter x 1 meter in the display area) has an overhead gantry, with six adjustable quarts halogen lights.? A lot of the pictures I have taken have a yellow bias. I have tried adjusting the camera, without success, so I need to do some homework on possibly replacing the current globes to give a better balance of colour? I don’t know why, however pictures I have seen taken by other photographers of my display, do have a good balance of colour, so maybe they are using a photograph editing application to adjust the colour balance?
?
Thanks for the information on the A3014 motorway – I wasn’t aware of that! I am a member of the Gauge O Guild.
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:43 AM
To: o14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
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Bruce,
Now I've managed to see the photos - v nice indeed! No excuses now: I need to crack on.
On the lighting front, most of the box file layouts at Swanley a couple of years ago had simple angle poise lamps. There are many types of bulb out there to give different light temperatures, even dimmable and varicolour LED arrays, so you can replicate dawn to dusk light angles and colour.
By the way, I used to live not far from the A3014 road here in the UK, and would use it to visit the Gauge 0 Guild open day at Normandy, Surrey. See ?
Cheers,
David
?
snip
<A3014 is now virtually complete, so I have posted a couple of pics. I will probably need to consider a back scene, and as for lighting, I haven’t started to consider how to apply lighting to something so small?>


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The other approach is to use a daylight filter gel over your light source. I've only
?used those for converting tungsen to daylight, but a good photography shop should be able to advise on the correct one for quartz halogen. Last time i bought some it cost me about�5 for a large sheet. Best from Sweden. George!


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" <O14@...>
Date:02/07/2015 14:03 (GMT+01:00)
To: O14@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

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Thanks Frank – I can see I have some learning / experimenting to do!
?
Hopefully, this weekend I can start to improve my results?
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
?
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:30 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?

Hi Bruce,

As you are using a Canon EOS 550D then, yes, you need to explore white balance in the settings. I use a Canon EOS 700D, and before that a Canon EOS 450D. You do not need Photoshop to manipulate RAW as Canon have their own photoediting software on the disk which comes with the camera or you can download it from their site.

Best wishes

Frank



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:35:09 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
?
Hi Frank,
?
What you have written, is what I believe is the problem?
?
I have a Cannon EOS 550D , and I have not explored all the settings, however I am sure the camera has the capability for all these different settings.
?
I have also been advised to take pictures in RAW format, although, again, I haven’t experimented with this, and do not properly understand the difference, and I neither have, or know how to use Photoshop?
?
When I do a photographic session at home, and use the special photography lighting, the colour balance is good. However, at exhibitions when I take pictures with the display quartz halogen lighting, I then get the “yellow” saturation. Maybe I need to experiment at home with the quartz halogen lights to see how to remove the yellow, and get a better colour balance??
?
Thanks again for your tips, I think I need to get busy with experimenting with all the different camera settings
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
?
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
?
Hi Bruce,

Regarding the colour balance of photographs it may be that the photographers are altering the white balance setting on their cameras. On my Canon DSLR I can alter the white balance to whatever the ambient light is. I can set it for Tungsten, Flourescent etc. at the time of taking the photos. Also if I take in RAW format photoshop has a setting to adjust the balance. This does not apply if the photo is save as a JPG.

I don't think that the compact digital cameras have as much flexibility.

Best wishes

Frank Metcalf



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:36:58 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
?
Hi David,
?
Thank-you for the tip on the lighting. I was thinking of a desk lamp, the type with the long swinging arm. (I think that is the same as what you have suggested?)
?
My O16.5 display (which is approx 1 meter x 1 meter in the display area) has an overhead gantry, with six adjustable quarts halogen lights.? A lot of the pictures I have taken have a yellow bias. I have tried adjusting the camera, without success, so I need to do some homework on possibly replacing the current globes to give a better balance of colour? I don’t know why, however pictures I have seen taken by other photographers of my display, do have a good balance of colour, so maybe they are using a photograph editing application to adjust the colour balance?
?
Thanks for the information on the A3014 motorway – I wasn’t aware of that! I am a member of the Gauge O Guild.
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:43 AM
To: o14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
?
Bruce,
Now I've managed to see the photos - v nice indeed! No excuses now: I need to crack on.
On the lighting front, most of the box file layouts at Swanley a couple of years ago had simple angle poise lamps. There are many types of bulb out there to give different light temperatures, even dimmable and varicolour LED arrays, so you can replicate dawn to dusk light angles and colour.
By the way, I used to live not far from the A3014 road here in the UK, and would use it to visit the Gauge 0 Guild open day at Normandy, Surrey. See ?
Cheers,
David
?
snip
<A3014 is now virtually complete, so I have posted a couple of pics. I will probably need to consider a back scene, and as for lighting, I haven’t started to consider how to apply lighting to something so small?>


?
?


?
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Thanks George!
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This is the first time I have heard of this product. I have done some “Googling” and it appears to be entering a very technical (but interesting) area of light conversion.
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Thanks for the tip.
?
Best regards
Bruce
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Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:35 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display
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The other approach is to use a daylight filter gel over your light source. I've only
used those for converting tungsen to daylight, but a good photography shop should be able to advise on the correct one for quartz halogen. Last time i bought some it cost me about�5 for a large sheet. Best from Sweden. George!
?
?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]"
Date:02/07/2015 14:03 (GMT+01:00)
To: O14@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
Thanks Frank – I can see I have some learning / experimenting to do!
?
Hopefully, this weekend I can start to improve my results?
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
?
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:30 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
Hi Bruce,

As you are using a Canon EOS 550D then, yes, you need to explore white balance in the settings. I use a Canon EOS 700D, and before that a Canon EOS 450D. You do not need Photoshop to manipulate RAW as Canon have their own photoediting software on the disk which comes with the camera or you can download it from their site.

Best wishes

Frank



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:35:09 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
?
Hi Frank,
?
What you have written, is what I believe is the problem?
?
I have a Cannon EOS 550D , and I have not explored all the settings, however I am sure the camera has the capability for all these different settings.
?
I have also been advised to take pictures in RAW format, although, again, I haven’t experimented with this, and do not properly understand the difference, and I neither have, or know how to use Photoshop?
?
When I do a photographic session at home, and use the special photography lighting, the colour balance is good. However, at exhibitions when I take pictures with the display quartz halogen lighting, I then get the “yellow” saturation. Maybe I need to experiment at home with the quartz halogen lights to see how to remove the yellow, and get a better colour balance??
?
Thanks again for your tips, I think I need to get busy with experimenting with all the different camera settings
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
?
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
?
Hi Bruce,

Regarding the colour balance of photographs it may be that the photographers are altering the white balance setting on their cameras. On my Canon DSLR I can alter the white balance to whatever the ambient light is. I can set it for Tungsten, Flourescent etc. at the time of taking the photos. Also if I take in RAW format photoshop has a setting to adjust the balance. This does not apply if the photo is save as a JPG.

I don't think that the compact digital cameras have as much flexibility.

Best wishes

Frank Metcalf



To: O14@...
From: O14@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:36:58 +1000
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display

?
?
Hi David,
?
Thank-you for the tip on the lighting. I was thinking of a desk lamp, the type with the long swinging arm. (I think that is the same as what you have suggested?)
?
My O16.5 display (which is approx 1 meter x 1 meter in the display area) has an overhead gantry, with six adjustable quarts halogen lights.? A lot of the pictures I have taken have a yellow bias. I have tried adjusting the camera, without success, so I need to do some homework on possibly replacing the current globes to give a better balance of colour? I don’t know why, however pictures I have seen taken by other photographers of my display, do have a good balance of colour, so maybe they are using a photograph editing application to adjust the colour balance?
?
Thanks for the information on the A3014 motorway – I wasn’t aware of that! I am a member of the Gauge O Guild.
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:43 AM
To: o14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?
?
Bruce,
Now I've managed to see the photos - v nice indeed! No excuses now: I need to crack on.
On the lighting front, most of the box file layouts at Swanley a couple of years ago had simple angle poise lamps. There are many types of bulb out there to give different light temperatures, even dimmable and varicolour LED arrays, so you can replicate dawn to dusk light angles and colour.
By the way, I used to live not far from the A3014 road here in the UK, and would use it to visit the Gauge 0 Guild open day at Normandy, Surrey. See ?
Cheers,
David
?
snip
<A3014 is now virtually complete, so I have posted a couple of pics. I will probably need to consider a back scene, and as for lighting, I haven’t started to consider how to apply lighting to something so small?>


?
?


?
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Hello Bruce,

Forgive me butting in on your conversation, these points may help:

Shooting RAW images enables you to retain complete control over all aspects of your image as if you were there using your camera all over again. Exposure, colour saturation, contrast, brightness, etc AND the images are sharper. This is because you are working with RAW data whereas a jpeg or tif is processed data (= less to play with)?and the data has also been compressed.
If you shoot RAW images under whatever mixes of lighting make sure you do just one shot - anywhere in your sequence of shots - of a small patch of mid-grey. A 'grey card' in old parlance. Make sure it is far enough into your shot to be affected by the ambient/prevailing lighting. It doesn't have to be in focus or blur-free so stick the camera on 'A' (Aperture priority Automatic) and do your test shot. Then continue shooting your preferred shots as you wish.
When you get home and in Elements, or whatever programme you use, look for the pipette/ dropper symbol in tools. Go to your grey test shot and with dropper on the grey, left click your mouse. You should see your image change from the original weird greeny/orange(?) colour to 'normal' colour.
This change can then be applied to all other images under that particular lighting (which I can't go into here because I don't know what your set-up is - but I'd be happy to help further if you want to get in touch.)
Sharpness settings can also be tweaked at this stage so an image that looks 'soft' can have its sharpness increased. Exercise caution here though;?
an over-sharpened image looks awful!

I hope this has been of some help for you.?I am by profession a photographer of thirty years. At work we use Photoshop CS6 daily and at home I use Photoshop Elements 8 quite happily. I always shoot RAW on both my Nikon D300 and Panasonic LX3 and am still very pleased with the results.

Kind regards,
Dudley
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Hi Dudley,
?
Thank-you for your advice – I really appreciate all the help I have been given.
?
My experimentation over the last fortnight has been with RAW images, and whilst each picture is about 20 megabytes of data, the quality of the pictures are significantly superior to all my previous efforts. This includes the sharpness, as well a good balance of colour. I haven’t tried to use an application to modify any of the images, however in all honesty, I am very happy with the results straight from the camera download. I will at some stage use a program to modify pictures, however the standard of pictures I currently have, I am not sure where the pictures would need improvement?
?
This is still a learning experience for me, however I do feel like I have taken a giant step forward in the quality of my results, just in the last fortnight.
?
Thanks again – and as “I am the student” any advice is always gracefully appreciated. I can only improve by going through the practical steps of setting-up, and taking pictures, however without the guidance I have received, this journey would have been a lot more challenging!?
?
Best regards
Bruce
?
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Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:35 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] A3014 Micro display
?
?

Hello Bruce,

?
Forgive me butting in on your conversation, these points may help:
?
Shooting RAW images enables you to retain complete control over all aspects of your image as if you were there using your camera all over again. Exposure, colour saturation, contrast, brightness, etc AND the images are sharper. This is because you are working with RAW data whereas a jpeg or tif is processed data (= less to play with) and the data has also been compressed.
If you shoot RAW images under whatever mixes of lighting make sure you do just one shot - anywhere in your sequence of shots - of a small patch of mid-grey. A 'grey card' in old parlance. Make sure it is far enough into your shot to be affected by the ambient/prevailing lighting. It doesn't have to be in focus or blur-free so stick the camera on 'A' (Aperture priority Automatic) and do your test shot. Then continue shooting your preferred shots as you wish.
When you get home and in Elements, or whatever programme you use, look for the pipette/ dropper symbol in tools. Go to your grey test shot and with dropper on the grey, left click your mouse. You should see your image change from the original weird greeny/orange(?) colour to 'normal' colour.
This change can then be applied to all other images under that particular lighting (which I can't go into here because I don't know what your set-up is - but I'd be happy to help further if you want to get in touch.)
Sharpness settings can also be tweaked at this stage so an image that looks 'soft' can have its sharpness increased. Exercise caution here though;
an over-sharpened image looks awful!
?
I hope this has been of some help for you. I am by profession a photographer of thirty years. At work we use Photoshop CS6 daily and at home I use Photoshop Elements 8 quite happily. I always shoot RAW on both my Nikon D300 and Panasonic LX3 and am still very pleased with the results.
?
Kind regards,
Dudley
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