Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW
REVIEW 111 arrived here in Belgium today 31/07/2017
David Woodcock
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Douglas was a long time
member and on the Committee of the Industrial Railway Society,
so it is possible that he willed his railway collection and
copyrights to the IRS.
It might be worth
checking with them to see what the copyright possession is on
his work;
Try David Kitching,
their new Administrator: admin@...
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Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk
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Thanks very much for the clarification David.
I think that I am probably okay given how I am using the original information and the fact that I don't want to formally publish, just share. Douglas was a true craftsman and very particular about identifying dimensions. His drawings were prepared to a much larger scale and looked very impressive but some of the details became obscured when reduced by the 'cross-hare' identification of circle or radius centres. While I was happy to use his drawing as intended, I felt that I needed something less cluttered for some of the details.
Regards,
Robin
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If you add sufficient intellectual property from your own efforts to something that was originally produced by someone else, and you don’t show anything extraneous from the original, then you don’t need the originator’s permission to publish what has become, on balance, your intellectual property but you should acknowledge their original contribution. Of course, if the original originator is still contactable, it is always a good idea to communicate with them before publishing your own work, they may after all have discovered something else new in the meantime, but there is no obligation too.
Note that basic lists can never be considered as intellectual property.
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If you add sufficient intellectual property from your own efforts to something that was originally produced by someone else, and you don’t show anything extraneous from the original, then you don’t need the originator’s permission to publish what has become, on balance, your intellectual property but you should acknowledge their original contribution. Of course, if the original originator is still contactable, it is always a good idea to communicate with them before publishing your own work, they may after all have discovered something else new in the meantime, but there is no obligation too.
Note that basic lists can never be considered as intellectual property.
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Thanks Robin,
That answers my question very well indeed and your two articles add much food for thought and greater understanding. Results of all this research should be evident on the layout soon!
Kevin.
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Hi Kevin & Mark,
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I have added a sketch of what I think the arrangement is to Mark’s folder.
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Cheers,
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Robin
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I've just started an album 'WDLR Baldwin coal bunker' and added 3 photo's of the coal bunker doors on the Leighton Buzzard Baldwin. No dimensions unfortunately.
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Way back in the 1980's, I started doing quite a bit of research into the WDLR Baldwin steam locos. ?I pulled together a few notes, mainly based on
the available photographic evidence from books which I shared with a number of people. ?Years later, after meeting Douglas Clayton at an exhibition, I corresponded a bit with him and he was very helpful in correcting a number of my spectacular errors. ?He
agreed that I could use his drawing (from Erick Tonks' SDR book) to highlight the various differences between the Baldwins used subsequently in the UK. ?I am not a draughtsman and my sketches were crude. ?We were still debating the best way forward when Douglass,
sadly, died. ?I haven't got his permission to publish any of my updates on his drawing but I have found my notes and I am in the process of checking them against more recent publications. ?
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It is still very much work in progress and I am sure that others far more knowledgeable than me can correct them and help us all towards a collective
understanding of these fascinating locos.
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I have loaded them onto my own web site so I don’t take up valuable space on the O14 Yahoo Group site.
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Part 1 is here:
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which covers a general introduction
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Part 2 is here:
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This covers the WHR, GVT and SDR locos.
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Part 3 is going to cover the Ashover and part 4 will cover cab details, but these are a way off yet I am afraid.
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I hope the links work!
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Robin
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Does anyone have any clear photos of the coal bunker of a WDLR Baldwin taken from inside the cab and showing the lifting doors please? Better still if anyone has intimate relations with a real one some dimensions would be great!
Thanks,
Kevin.
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Hi Kevin,
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I will try to attach this sketch which is the best that I could come up with in the 1980’s.? It seems to agree pretty closely with Marks photos.
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Robin
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Does anyone have any clear photos of the coal bunker of a WDLR Baldwin taken from inside the cab and showing the lifting doors please? Better still if anyone has intimate relations with a real one some dimensions would be great!
Thanks,
Kevin.
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Hi Kevin,
I've just started an album 'WDLR Baldwin coal bunker' and added 3 photo's of the coal bunker doors on the Leighton Buzzard Baldwin. No dimensions unfortunately.
Cheers,
Mark.?
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Does anyone have any clear photos of the coal bunker of a WDLR Baldwin taken from inside the cab and showing the lifting doors please? Better still if anyone has intimate relations with a real one some dimensions would be great! Thanks, Kevin.
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
Thanks for this.? I do recall seeing somewhere photos of the
figures PLM makes.? Does anyone have the same recollection and can
point me in the right direction?
TIA
Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
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Gentlemen,
I have just scanned and uploaded the 2017 Catalogue and Price
List for PLM Castaways WW1 figures and accessories, as promised
a while ago.
It is a pdf in the Files section.
It is a long list, so there should be something for nearly
everyone.
I can attest to the quality and character of the castings
from close personal observation, though I haven't bought any of
this range as I am not modelling WW1 railways.
Regards,
Adrian
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
Gentlemen,
I have just scanned and uploaded the 2017 Catalogue and Price List for PLM Castaways WW1 figures and accessories, as promised a while ago.
It is a pdf in the Files section.
It is a long list, so there should be something for nearly everyone. I can attest to the quality and character of the castings from close personal observation, though I haven't bought any of this range as I am not modelling WW1 railways.
Regards,
Adrian
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
It isn’t just 7mm scale that would benefit from in-situ scanning of full-size drivers to facilitate 3D prints. Slater’s 16mm WWI Simplex cries out for a decent driver model to go with it.
David Woodcock
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
Hello everyone,
Yes I am on this group although Yahoo plays very strange games on my computer so don't get to access it that often.
Yes, a lot of the figures are PLM and they are quite frustrating for even me to get hold of and I live only 15 miles from Phil! There is a new list available that condenses all the various updates over the years - not sure what the etiquette would be on scanning this and making it more widely available although Tim seems to have had no problem getting one direct from Tim.
There are various other sources of figures used however although not specifically meant for WW1. I have used WW2 air raid wardens and postmen from Phoenix and Diesel drivers from Dart castings. Heros of the Footplate is another good source of drivers.
Figures for this particular flavour of modelling? is a real problem and two things that I would love to be able to do? is to have brakesmen on the wagons and some wagon loads of men as there are plenty of pictures showing this. There have been conversations with like minded individuals to try and persuade someone with a full size laser scanner to visit a reenactment possibly up at Apedale to get some suitable poses scanned in but nothing has come of it as yet - does anyone have the enthusiasm / connections to get this moving?
Kevin.
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
David,
Its not mysterious, it is just a bit old fashioned and, I acknowledge, jolly frustrating for those who have little or no chance of ever seeing Phil's very well-presented stand at the selected shows he attends.
Phil professes not to have the time to do all his 'normal' work AND deal with putting a huge range of items on to the web and then dealing with all the updates as he is so prolific.
It is his choice and he certainly seems not to NEED web sales or presence as he is as busy as he wants to be without.
Adrian
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
Thanks, that would be great - it's all very mysterious! David Woodhead ? ? Toronto
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Ryk,
I'm not able to do so immediately but I will try and find my copies of the PLM catalogues and update sheets and put some scans up.
Regards, Adrian - 7mmNGA Trade Liaison
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
Ryk,
I'm not able to do so immediately but I will try and find my copies of the PLM catalogues and update sheets and put some scans up.
Regards, Adrian - 7mmNGA Trade Liaison
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
I’m after some WW1 soldiers, so I sent him an email this morning. He called
straight back and a list is in the post this evening.
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Regards, Tim
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layout
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You will have to contact him to request his figures list.
Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
Is there a listing of figures available from PLM as there does not appear
to be a website?
Ryk
The Fens, England
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Dave:
I believe they are PLM Cast-A-Ways
plmcastaways@... Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout in NG&I #110 is very nicely
executed. One item that I don't see covered is the source(s) for the
figures he's used. I've reread the article a few times looking.
I don't know if Kevin is on this group. If he is, can you share
the sources? If not, does anyone else know?
Thanks,
Dave Eggleston
Seattle, Washington
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
You will have to contact him to request his figures list.
Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
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Is there a listing of figures available from PLM as there does
not appear to be a website?
Ryk
The Fens, England
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Dave:
I believe they are PLM Cast-A-Ways
plmcastaways@...
Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout in NG&I #110 is very
nicely executed. One item that I don't see covered is
the source(s) for the figures he's used. I've reread the
article a few times looking.
I don't know if Kevin is on this group. If he is,
can you share the sources? If not, does anyone else
know?
Thanks,
Dave Eggleston
Seattle, Washington
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Re: Figures for Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout
Is there a listing of figures available from PLM as there does
not appear to be a website?
Ryk
The Fens, England
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Dave:
I believe they are PLM Cast-A-Ways
plmcastaways@...
Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
Kevin Hughes' WDLR layout in NG&I #110 is
very nicely executed. One item that I don't see
covered is the source(s) for the figures he's used.
I've reread the article a few times looking.
I don't know if Kevin is on this group. If he is,
can you share the sources? If not, does anyone else
know?
Thanks,
Dave Eggleston
Seattle, Washington
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Robin Edwards
Adrian Gray