Re: Something to do in these difficult times - RCL & NGI Competition
Sorry, did not intend to send this to the entire group. Blame it on the stress of working with small fiddly card parts.
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John,
After (a lot of) swearing and cursing I have finally managed to complete a card Rheidol loco. It does look a poor battered little thing! I thought that I would be clever and “borrow” a sheet of card that my wife uses to make greetings cards. I think that it may be a little thick for this model. The card works fine for greetings cards but did not like been shaped for small parts and the tabs had a habit of de-laminating where they hold the various bits of the model together. I did try printing another sheet on to paper so that I could have double sided vacuum pipes and tank filler vents and tank filler handles, and it has sort of worked. I can’t help the thought that the steam dome looks a little like a milk can! I also “borrowed” my wife’s set of Promarkers to touch in the edges and they have done a good job of covering the white card on the score lines. The much larger loco is a 1:24 card mock-up of one of the Kimberley Diamond Mine Bagnalls. Its hard to believe that they are 18 inch gauge. It got put together a few years ago in a period of boredom over the Christmas break, enlarged from the drawing in the Mark Smithers book on 18 inch gauge railways. That card mock-up started me on modelling in 1:24 scale and some of the models have subsequently appeared in the Review. It really is about time that I got around to converting the card mock-up in to something “proper”. As for would I build another card Rheidol loco, the answer is NO. It was far too small and fiddly for me, and card does not file very well - it goes all fuzzy! You cannot solder it together either……... Can you let me know if you have a problem detaching the photos from this please. I have an iMac and sent some photos as an attachment to someone with a Windows machine. He could not disentangle them from the text so they ended up being transferred on a memory stick.
Regards
Steve
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I've added a page on the entries we have received so far:?
We would welcome photos from anyone else who has managed to complete one.
John
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Re: Something to do in these difficult times - RCL & NGI Competition
John,
After (a lot of) swearing and cursing I have finally managed to complete a card Rheidol loco. It does look a poor battered little thing! I thought that I would be clever and “borrow” a sheet of card that my wife uses to make greetings cards. I think that it may be a little thick for this model. The card works fine for greetings cards but did not like been shaped for small parts and the tabs had a habit of de-laminating where they hold the various bits of the model together. I did try printing another sheet on to paper so that I could have double sided vacuum pipes and tank filler vents and tank filler handles, and it has sort of worked. I can’t help the thought that the steam dome looks a little like a milk can! I also “borrowed” my wife’s set of Promarkers to touch in the edges and they have done a good job of covering the white card on the score lines. The much larger loco is a 1:24 card mock-up of one of the Kimberley Diamond Mine Bagnalls. Its hard to believe that they are 18 inch gauge. It got put together a few years ago in a period of boredom over the Christmas break, enlarged from the drawing in the Mark Smithers book on 18 inch gauge railways. That card mock-up started me on modelling in 1:24 scale and some of the models have subsequently appeared in the Review. It really is about time that I got around to converting the card mock-up in to something “proper”. As for would I build another card Rheidol loco, the answer is NO. It was far too small and fiddly for me, and card does not file very well - it goes all fuzzy! You cannot solder it together either……... Can you let me know if you have a problem detaching the photos from this please. I have an iMac and sent some photos as an attachment to someone with a Windows machine. He could not disentangle them from the text so they ended up being transferred on a memory stick.
Regards
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I've added a page on the entries we have received so far:?
We would welcome photos from anyone else who has managed to complete one.
John
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Re: Something to do in these difficult times - RCL & NGI Competition
I've added a page on the entries we have received so far:?
We would welcome photos from anyone else who has managed to complete one.
John
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Re: Chemin de fer du calvados
Thanks for the info. I'll look into that.?
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, 17:49 chrisveitch via , <chrisveitch_yg= [email protected]> wrote: The Calvados system was featured in a 3-part series in the French regional railways magazine Chemin de fer Regionaux et Urbains in 1984 (issues 179-181). Issue 181 dealt with locos and rolling stock and featured a side-elevation only view of the Type 74 Blanc-Misseron 4-6-0T locos (and also the conventional Wiedkneckt 4-6-0T.?
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I suspect that, come January 2021, the owners of the rather good layouts that cross the English Channel (both ways) for exhibition from time to time will be thinking that your border control people are absolute saints. After nearly half-a-century of being in the “Common Market” they are seemingly about to learn what “taking back control” really means - and it has a very nasty ??? sting in the tail in addition to all the extra work involved.
David WOODCOCK
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I live in Canada and some of the “meatheads” that work at the border and customs are absolute morons.?
we have a large portable layout that we have taken across the border many times. The customs idiots have inspected it and just dealing with them makes me sick. It’s the old saying give a moron a gun and a badge and he thinks his has power supreme.?
cheers,
keith
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
I’m forever the optimist!?
Paul H?
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
>> A reasonable order would hopefully result in a batch coming off his production line.<< ? Dream on. Mercian, Phil and Myself placed orders for over a 1000 wheels in each size and still nothing happened. At the last York show we even set his wife on him, which usually gets things done, but nothing happened. I suspect that he has recently found some of the last batch of axles which would account for him completing some orders and not others ? Paul ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Holmes
Sent: 28 April 2020 14:36
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?? [Edited Message Follows] I got some curly spoke 10.5mm from Colin (AG) a couple of months ago and he wasn’t able to fulfil all the order as I had cleared him out. Sorry! However, they seem fine.?
I think if you ring him and get to the end of the usually hilarious and tortuous voicemail message, he will ring back. A reasonable order would hopefully result in a batch coming off his production line.
cheers
Paul?
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
I got some curly spoke 10.5mm from Colin (AG) a couple of months ago and he wasn’t able to fulfil all the order as I had cleared him out. Sorry! However, they seem fine.?
I think if you ring him and get to the end of the usually hilarious and tortuous voicemail message, he will ring back. A reasonable order would hopefully result in a batch coming off his production line.
cheers
Paul?
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
Hi Frank
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I think you’ll find it will just rip the centre out of the wheel spokes,
they are very fragile. I was led to believe that Colin had sorted the problem
as, after a two year + wait, I received a bulk delivery from him last October
for my Port Wynnstay kits including “Curly” spoke wheels in the 10.5 mm
diameter, whether he has fixed the other diameters yet I don’t know.
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Phil T.
Port Wynnstay Models
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From: Frank Sharp via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock
availability?
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Paul,
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Would a 2mm parallel reamer not
sort this on a temporary basis if Colin will supply wheels and axles as separate
items? Not suggesting you do them, but it wouldn't be a major task for any of us
to do our own,
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Frank
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If I can shed a bit
of light on the AG curly spoked wheel issue…..
?
There has been an
availability issue for some time now and despite it not needing a massive amount
of time to fix it doesn’t seem to be getting to the top of the to do
list.?? The problem is that the latest batch of axles bought in,
whilst in spec, were at the max diameter of acceptable. These worked with many
of the wheels in the range but it would seem the pin in the mould that
determines the axle hole in the curly spoke wheels is at the minimum end of the
spec. In most of the wheels this sort of thing isn’t a problem, it just makes
them a tighter fit on the axle. The curly spoke doesn’t have much of a boss in
the middle and it instead tends to split.? The fix is a slightly larger pin
in the mould. Not a long job but also clearly not seen as a
priority.
?
I do have some in
stock – mostly the larger ones I think. I would try nagging Colin for the bulk
order I have had in for nearly two years now but then, awkwardly, he’d want
paying which with EDM Models closed at the moment I don’t have the money
for.
?
On the health front.
After a couple of dodgy weeks dealing with infections and blood balances made
more complicated by Covid19 I am now on the mend. [came out of hospital with a
cough caused by the anaesthetic then gets an infection in the surgery causing a
fever – well you can guess the conclusion the GP jumped to].? I am getting
a bit better everyday and getting frustrated and what I can’t do. It’ll be a
couple of weeks yet before I re-open EDM Models and make our website live again
[the boss won’t let me jeopardise my recovery by doing it too soon] but my
limited potterings at the moment are making some moves towards that day. I will
add counting up the curly spokes and making sure they are on the website to the
to do list
?
Paul
Martin
EDM
Models
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:46 AM, Peter Tarver
wrote:
Hopefully won't be TOO long before we're allowed to play up
there again.
Indeed Pete. Cabin fever setting in badly here. A Saturday
afternoon pottering about in Minffordd Yard would be most welcome.
C.
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
Paul, ? Would a 2mm parallel reamer not sort this on a temporary basis if Colin will supply wheels and axles as separate items? Not suggesting you do them, but it wouldn't be a major task for any of us to do our own, ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Martin
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April, 2020 12:58
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?? If I can shed a bit of light on the AG curly spoked wheel issue….. ? There has been an availability issue for some time now and despite it not needing a massive amount of time to fix it doesn’t seem to be getting to the top of the to do list.?? The problem is that the latest batch of axles bought in, whilst in spec, were at the max diameter of acceptable. These worked with many of the wheels in the range but it would seem the pin in the mould that determines the axle hole in the curly spoke wheels is at the minimum end of the spec. In most of the wheels this sort of thing isn’t a problem, it just makes them a tighter fit on the axle. The curly spoke doesn’t have much of a boss in the middle and it instead tends to split.? The fix is a slightly larger pin in the mould. Not a long job but also clearly not seen as a priority. ? I do have some in stock – mostly the larger ones I think. I would try nagging Colin for the bulk order I have had in for nearly two years now but then, awkwardly, he’d want paying which with EDM Models closed at the moment I don’t have the money for. ? On the health front. After a couple of dodgy weeks dealing with infections and blood balances made more complicated by Covid19 I am now on the mend. [came out of hospital with a cough caused by the anaesthetic then gets an infection in the surgery causing a fever – well you can guess the conclusion the GP jumped to].? I am getting a bit better everyday and getting frustrated and what I can’t do. It’ll be a couple of weeks yet before I re-open EDM Models and make our website live again [the boss won’t let me jeopardise my recovery by doing it too soon] but my limited potterings at the moment are making some moves towards that day. I will add counting up the curly spokes and making sure they are on the website to the to do list ? Paul Martin EDM Models ? ? On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:46 AM, Peter Tarver wrote: Hopefully won't be TOO long before we're allowed to play up there again.
Indeed Pete. Cabin fever setting in badly here. A Saturday afternoon pottering about in Minffordd Yard would be most welcome.?
C.
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It would be good to see the range available, if only in better circumstances.
Kev S
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
Hi Paul
Good to see that your on the mend. ?
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Marc Dobson
Furness Railway Wagon Co/Pre-Grouping Railways
www.pregroupingrailways.com
furnessrailway@...
01229468206
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From: Paul Martin
Sent: 28 April 2020 12:57
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
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If I can shed a bit of light on the AG curly spoked wheel issue…..
?
There has been an availability issue for some time now and despite it not needing a massive amount of time to fix it doesn’t seem to be getting to the top of the to do list.?? The problem
is that the latest batch of axles bought in, whilst in spec, were at the max diameter of acceptable. These worked with many of the wheels in the range but it would seem the pin in the mould that determines the axle hole in the curly spoke wheels is at the
minimum end of the spec. In most of the wheels this sort of thing isn’t a problem, it just makes them a tighter fit on the axle. The curly spoke doesn’t have much of a boss in the middle and it instead tends to split.? The fix is a slightly larger pin in the
mould. Not a long job but also clearly not seen as a priority.
?
I do have some in stock – mostly the larger ones I think. I would try nagging Colin for the bulk order I have had in for nearly two years now but then, awkwardly, he’d want paying which
with EDM Models closed at the moment I don’t have the money for.
?
On the health front. After a couple of dodgy weeks dealing with infections and blood balances made more complicated by Covid19 I am now on the mend. [came out of hospital with a cough caused
by the anaesthetic then gets an infection in the surgery causing a fever – well you can guess the conclusion the GP jumped to].? I am getting a bit better everyday and getting frustrated and what I can’t do. It’ll be a couple of weeks yet before I re-open
EDM Models and make our website live again [the boss won’t let me jeopardise my recovery by doing it too soon] but my limited potterings at the moment are making some moves towards that day. I will add counting up the curly spokes and making sure they are
on the website to the to do list
?
Paul Martin
EDM Models
?
?
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:46 AM, Peter Tarver wrote:
Hopefully won't be TOO long before we're allowed to play up there again.
Indeed Pete. Cabin fever setting in badly here. A Saturday afternoon pottering about in Minffordd Yard would be most welcome.?
C.
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
If I can shed a bit of light on the AG curly spoked wheel issue….. ? There has been an availability issue for some time now and despite it not needing a massive amount of time to fix it doesn’t seem to be getting to the top of the to do list.?? The problem is that the latest batch of axles bought in, whilst in spec, were at the max diameter of acceptable. These worked with many of the wheels in the range but it would seem the pin in the mould that determines the axle hole in the curly spoke wheels is at the minimum end of the spec. In most of the wheels this sort of thing isn’t a problem, it just makes them a tighter fit on the axle. The curly spoke doesn’t have much of a boss in the middle and it instead tends to split.? The fix is a slightly larger pin in the mould. Not a long job but also clearly not seen as a priority. ? I do have some in stock – mostly the larger ones I think. I would try nagging Colin for the bulk order I have had in for nearly two years now but then, awkwardly, he’d want paying which with EDM Models closed at the moment I don’t have the money for. ? On the health front. After a couple of dodgy weeks dealing with infections and blood balances made more complicated by Covid19 I am now on the mend. [came out of hospital with a cough caused by the anaesthetic then gets an infection in the surgery causing a fever – well you can guess the conclusion the GP jumped to].? I am getting a bit better everyday and getting frustrated and what I can’t do. It’ll be a couple of weeks yet before I re-open EDM Models and make our website live again [the boss won’t let me jeopardise my recovery by doing it too soon] but my limited potterings at the moment are making some moves towards that day. I will add counting up the curly spokes and making sure they are on the website to the to do list ? Paul Martin EDM Models ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chris Veitch via
Sent: 28 April 2020 12:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?? On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:46 AM, Peter Tarver wrote: Hopefully won't be TOO long before we're allowed to play up there again.
Indeed Pete. Cabin fever setting in badly here. A Saturday afternoon pottering about in Minffordd Yard would be most welcome.?
C.
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
Chris, AG do the curly spoke wheels. Mercian aren't brilliant at answering e-mails, you could try phoning ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Veitch via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April, 2020 12:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?? On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:15 AM, Frank Sharp wrote: If all that stops Mercian supplying is wheels, AFAIK they use Alan Gibson wheels. Colin Seymour who has AG now is still working, I spoke to him yesterday. One thing to watch, AG do their wheels on 26.5 mm standard axles but also on 24.5.? 14mm gauge on the longer axles looks odd, the shorter axles, still a bit long for 14mm gauge look better but it will depend on what the kit is designed to take. Thanks for that Frank - the (slightly esoteric) Mercian site says "Slate series unavailable due to wheel shortages" but doesn't specify which kits this includes. I think I'll have to assume it's anything with curly-spoked wheels as that what their slate waggon kits use.?
Regards,
Chris
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:46 AM, Peter Tarver wrote:
Hopefully won't be TOO long before we're allowed to play up there again.
Indeed Pete. Cabin fever setting in badly here. A Saturday afternoon pottering about in Minffordd Yard would be most welcome.? C.
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:15 AM, Frank Sharp wrote:
If all that stops Mercian supplying is wheels, AFAIK they use Alan Gibson wheels. Colin Seymour who has AG now is still working, I spoke to him yesterday. One thing to watch, AG do their wheels on 26.5 mm standard axles but also on 24.5.? 14mm gauge on the longer axles looks odd, the shorter axles, still a bit long for 14mm gauge look better but it will depend on what the kit is designed to take.
Thanks for that Frank - the (slightly esoteric) Mercian site says " Slate series unavailable due to wheel shortages" but doesn't specify which kits this includes. I think I'll have to assume it's anything with curly-spoked wheels as that what their slate waggon kits use.? Regards, Chris
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
Chris,
EDM does small England engine wheelsets too:
Though Paul is understandably not taking orders at present.
I've just re-read your question and notice you say rolling stock, but as I've written this it may be of interest! Hopefully won't be TOO long before we're allowed to play up there again.
Cheers, Pete
On Tuesday, 28 April 2020, 11:15:22 BST, Frank Sharp via groups.io <frank.j.sharp@...> wrote:
Chris, ? If all that stops Mercian supplying is wheels, AFAIK they use Alan Gibson wheels. Colin Seymour who has AG now is still working, I spoke to him yesterday. One thing to watch, AG do their wheels on 26.5 mm standard axles but also on 24.5.? 14mm gauge on the longer axles looks odd, the shorter axles, still a bit long for 14mm gauge look better but it will depend on what the kit is designed to take. ? Association white metal bogies are I think based on FR practice. ? Frank ?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of chrisveitch via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April, 2020 08:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability? ? I'm using lockdown for one of my irregular and sporadic attempts to get back into some Proper Modelling in O14 and make some progress with a couple of small projects. I'm not too familiar with what's around in 7mm at present, so can anyone confirm that I'm right in thinking the only FR rolling stock available is as below? - Port Wynnstay/Phil Traxson resin cast range
- 7mm NGA stale waggons
- Worsley Works carriage etches
- Mercian Models (various, but some seem to be marked unavailable to wheel supply problems)
Thanks in advance,
Chris
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
Chris, ? If all that stops Mercian supplying is wheels, AFAIK they use Alan Gibson wheels. Colin Seymour who has AG now is still working, I spoke to him yesterday. One thing to watch, AG do their wheels on 26.5 mm standard axles but also on 24.5.? 14mm gauge on the longer axles looks odd, the shorter axles, still a bit long for 14mm gauge look better but it will depend on what the kit is designed to take. ? Association white metal bogies are I think based on FR practice. ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of chrisveitch via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April, 2020 08:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?? I'm using lockdown for one of my irregular and sporadic attempts to get back into some Proper Modelling in O14 and make some progress with a couple of small projects. I'm not too familiar with what's around in 7mm at present, so can anyone confirm that I'm right in thinking the only FR rolling stock available is as below? - Port Wynnstay/Phil Traxson resin cast range
- 7mm NGA stale waggons
- Worsley Works carriage etches
- Mercian Models (various, but some seem to be marked unavailable to wheel supply problems)
Thanks in advance,
Chris
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Re: FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
I think Mountaineer Models has a few items in their Shapeways 3d printed shop:
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I think David John (Rhyd) has some and they look pretty good to me.? It depends what era you are after, the wagons (which you can get
in a pack of 5 different types) cover pretty much all the eras but the Conway Castle is obviously for much later in the preservation era.
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Cheers,
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Robin
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of chrisveitch via groups.io
Sent: 28 April 2020 08:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: [o14] FR 7mm scale rolling stock availability?
?
I'm using lockdown for one of my irregular and sporadic attempts to get back into some Proper Modelling in O14 and make some progress with a couple of small projects. I'm not too familiar with what's around
in 7mm at present, so can anyone confirm that I'm right in thinking the only FR rolling stock available is as below?
-
Port Wynnstay/Phil Traxson resin cast range
-
7mm NGA stale waggons
-
Worsley Works carriage etches
-
Mercian Models (various, but some seem to be marked unavailable to wheel supply problems)
Thanks in advance,
Chris
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Paul Holmes
Paul Martin
Robin Edwards