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Re: New Layout
开云体育David, ? You've probably guessed by now that a lead/silver mine is more likely in Scotland than a gold mine. The suggestion of the original line at Wanlockhead is a possibility. Attached, if it works, are two pictures of the loco, one the makers picture and what I believe to be the only picture of it in use in 1931. It was basically a small version of the Barclay E class. Kitwise there is a white metal kit from S & D models, sanddmodels if you try Google. That is for the bigger version with the tank or bunker extending in front of the cab and intended for 16.5mm gauge. It takes a Mehno? mechanism. You will be on your own for anything near the actual valve gear. Incidentally can anyone christen it, is it Walscharts? ? The other that might be a thought is the Laxey Mine Railway, you'll find that on the web which was also the source of the attached pictures. ? Frank ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February, 2017 16:01 To: O14@... Subject: RE: [O14] New Layout ? ? Information gleaned from my friend in Aberdeen… Hi Baz, ? As he says… hope this helps… J Barry ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...] ? ? Our club is building a new 7mm scale layout and I have agreed to build a small gold mining narrow gauge line and it's stock based on practices used in Scotland.? ? This is a subject I have very little knowledge about, can anyone recommend where I could source some prototype information and where I could obtain suitable kits or parts suitable to build prototype models from? ? ? Thanks, David? |
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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW
开云体育Hi John… Arrived here in Los Angeles Saturday… Well worth the wait… what a fabulous magazine…J ? Barry Lawrence ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:43 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling Review: Issue 109 ? ? Thanks guys for the updates. I'm keeping track of the dates it arrives in each continent so we can manage expectations for the future. ? John? |
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Re: New Layout
开云体育Information gleaned from my friend in Aberdeen… Hi Baz, ? As he says… hope this helps… J Barry ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:47 PM To: O14@... Subject: [O14] New Layout ? ? Our club is building a new 7mm scale layout and I have agreed to build a small gold mining narrow gauge line and it's stock based on practices used in Scotland.? ? This is a subject I have very little knowledge about, can anyone recommend where I could source some prototype information and where I could obtain suitable kits or parts suitable to build prototype models from? ? ? Thanks, David? |
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Re: New Layout
The information on the Helmsdale “Gold Rush” rather confirms the overwhelming importance of panning in the exploitation of traces of gold in Scotland - an activity which, whilst potentially profitable, would never have given rise to narrow (or even standard) gauge railways.
The potential use of railways would have been limited to areas where lead mining was, or had been, a significant activity - and lead mining certainly could, and often did, involve the use of narrow gauge lines. |
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Re: New Layout
开云体育On 23/02/2017 13:44, David Woodcock
dandewoodcock@... [O14] wrote:
Gold has been associated with two lead mining areas in Scotland - near Tyndrum and at Wanlockhead. At the former, there has been search for gold in modern times, with a long exploratory tunnel dug with the aid of a narrow gauge line to remove debris but without finding any commercial quantities of gold. At the latter, gold has been obtained by panning nearby streams (but not mining) with usable but small amounts of gold being recovered. I there was some sort of "mini gold rush" to an area near Fort William in the Highlands. Does anyone know more about that? All I have been able to find on this by Googling "gold Fort William" . Further googling
"Scottish Gold Rush" . -- Brian Rumary England brian(at)rumary.co.uk |
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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW
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On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:43 AM, jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW
开云体育John: Barrie, Ontario on February 22. Bruce Wilson Barrie, Ontario, Canada Life Member NMRA Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group On 2/23/2017 13:43,
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Thanks guys for the updates. I'm keeping track of the dates it arrives in each continent so we can manage expectations for the future. |
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Re: New Layout
Gold has been associated with two lead mining areas in Scotland - near Tyndrum and at Wanlockhead. At the former, there has been search for gold in modern times, with a long exploratory tunnel dug with the aid of a narrow gauge line to remove debris but without finding any commercial quantities of gold. At the latter, gold has been obtained by panning nearby streams (but not mining) with usable but small amounts of gold being recovered.
The purpose of any railway associated with gold mining would have been to remove rock debris to rubbish tips and ore to processing areas (for the actual gold to be extracted). The greater proportion of material carried by far would have been debris, which would have been tipped as close to the adit mouth as practicable, producing sizeable spoil heaps, although, unlike those associated with lead or arsenic mining, these heaps probably wouldn’t have rendered the surrounding area barren. The railways used would have been simple - a single line into the adit and an odd point or two outside, and to a gauge of 2 foot or less. Trams would have been used to remove the debris and ore, no or little wider than the track gauge so that the adit didn’t have to be dug out any larger than was absolutely necessary. Motive power might have been by hand, by cable or by battery locomotive (typically Greenwood & Batley). Both Nonneminstre Models and KBscale produce kits for suitable trams, the former in white metal, the latter largely in plastic, and Nonneminstre also produce a kit for a Greenwood & Batley battery loco (although as it is intended to mounted on a 16,5mm gauge SPUD a suitable chassis would have to be built by hand - not an impossible task). David Woodcock Champlon, Belgique |
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Re: New Layout
Here is a photo from the Scotsman last year of the mine tubs: There is also an overview of the operation here: Note that this is the only gold mine in Scotland to actually make it to a commercial level.? All previous Scottish gold has been panned.? If however you go down a "might have been" route, the following observations are based on my geological knowledge of Scotland and mine visits in similar places elsewhere in the world: Scottish gold is generally hosted in small high grade vein deposits.? As such, the likely method of working would be to drive adits into the hillside following the vein, with a couple of shafts to connect to lower levels. Historically, most small operations would not smelt the ore on site but would probably high-grade the ore (hand picking or water-table) before shipping it to a central processing facility.? (With modern technology, and due to the nature of the ore?the Cononish mine actually processes on site, but this is partly because the nearest alternative smelter is in Wales). As such, any surface railway operation would involve drawing the tippers of broken rock out of the adit and, if the ore was to be processed at all on site, to the crusher.? Concentrate would then be shipped out, probably as a fine gravel.? A spur to a dump would also be required for waste rock. The ore itself is quite colourful!? The main host mineral is a milky white quartz, but the gold itself is associated with pyrite (aka fools gold!), which is iron sulphide.? As such there is a wonderful array or red and yellow iron oxidation (rust) colours in the ore.? The second article linked above shows the grey-white vein in the middle and a substantial amount of yellow iron staining around.? So the loads for your wagons are going to be quite colourful! best regards, George! |
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I visited the Cononish mine a few years ago (as a geologist) just as the current operation was getting going. Unfortunately we were not permitted to take photos for company confidentiality reasons. If memory serves however the majority of wagons were small round bottomed tippers or flats based on the same chassis. We saw no loco but there was what looked like a charging point for a battery electric near the mine entrance.
My lasting impression of that visit was that it is a very wet mine! Most of the upper levels were drained naturally but there was a substantial throughput of water and everything underground was well rusted and festooned in algal or mineral growth. You can therefore go to town on your weathering! If you search Tyndrum Gold Mine Railway on the Web a small number of photos of the wagons will pop up. Best regards from Sweden, George! |
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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW
开云体育My copy arrived in Sydney, Australia yesterday (22/2/2017).
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The delivery process appears quicker this time!
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Cheers
Bruce
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Sent: 23 February, 2017 11:15 AM
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Subject: [O14] Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling
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NGIRMR arrived in Melbourne, Australia this morning. |
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Re: New Layout
开云体育David, Try the Moseley Trust, who obtained quite a lot of rail from Cononish gold mine and may know what locos and stock were/are in use. David H, Chelfham O14 From: O14@... on behalf of Dafydd Elvy elvan4472@... [O14]
Sent: 22 February 2017 21:47 To: O14@... Subject: [O14] New Layout ?
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Our club is building a new 7mm scale layout and I have agreed to build a small gold mining narrow gauge line and it's stock based on practices used in Scotland.?
This is a subject I have very little knowledge about, can anyone recommend where I could source some prototype information and where I could obtain suitable kits or parts suitable to build prototype models from?
Thanks, David?
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New Layout
Dafydd Elvy
开云体育Our club is building a new 7mm scale layout and I have agreed to build a small gold mining narrow gauge line and it's stock based on practices used in Scotland.? This is a subject I have very little knowledge about, can anyone recommend where I could source some prototype information and where I could obtain suitable kits or parts suitable to build prototype models from? Thanks, David? |
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Re: New Layout
Dave, Thanks for that posting. It seems from your tests it should work well.? Dave From: "dave.sykes@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [O14] New Layout Hi Dave, Just added a post to the blog that discusses the flex with the baseboard, and gives some measurements, hope that it will be useful for you to help decide whether to use the gatorboard. I mentioned you by name in the post, hope that's OK, will edit you out if you prefer. Dave |
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Re: Laying o14 track on 6mm mdf
Peter Cane
开云体育David, I have ordered mine from Cheltenham Model Centre the same place Roy got his from.? The sheet is 4'x2' genuine grey Sundeala used for railway modelling.? It was ?22.50 from ebay which I think is reasonable.? I am into micro layouts at the mo so enough for a few there.? On 30 Jan 2017, at 16:54, David Hughes formerchurchwarden@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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David Hughes