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Re: Rollingstock Wheels

 

Wrightlines (see keykits under links) also do wagon wheels although I
suspect these are the Alan Gibson ones.

John C


Re: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels

 

Frank
See reply to Mark whic should hit group about now for answers to most of your queries.
When I asked A.G. about selling the F.R. wheel he replied that if anyone enquired he referred them to me, if there is a demand I will order extra above and beyond those I need for my kits and supply them, same price as Alan's other wheels and axles.
Regards Phil T.

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Sharp
To: O-14@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels


Mark,

What are you thinking of making or having made that Gibson in particular
doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, and some
of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are using
standard wheels, make sure you ask for 00, assuming that is the standard
you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle length
is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days notice usually,
on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the 7mm
NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. They end
up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I am working
on a DCC brake van!
I'm sure Phil will correct me if I am wrong, but I think A G is making
the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railway wagons.
Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from A G
or yourself on their own?
A G doesn't as far as I know supply to 14mm gauge, but I bought a 16.5
gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces down in
a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of the gauge,
2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a 26
mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the same
hole it pushes the wheels in to the correct B to B for 14mm. The other
hole does for 24.5 mm axles.
I have found that if you disturb A G wagon wheels sometimes the rims
come loose. I usually spend an evening trimming the flash, pushing the
rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. The
next night I regauge them, with another drop of Araldite on the axle. I
think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with the gauge.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 12:38
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels


G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I
believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for
rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And
whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be
reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!

Cheers,
Mark K
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Re: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels

 

Mark,
Alan Gibson is probably the only other reliable supplier of wheels. He already makes at least two diameters of curly spoke, 10.5mm and 12mm diameter and also various 4mm scale disc and spoke wheels of these diameters which can be used by us. He has recently produced for me (as Port Wynnstay Models) a Festiniog teardrop hole disc wheel. You really need to find out what different axle lengths he makes, and there are a few, as I am sure he will supply wheels off axles to set at your own gauge if asked nicely. He supplies my inside bearing wagon wheels like this. I am willing to make the F.R. wheels available for general use if there is a demand. Can't send attachments on group but if you wish to view said wheel contact me off group and I will send the picture.
Regards Phil T.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kendrick
To: O-14@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels



G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for
rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!

Cheers,
Mark K
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Re: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels

Frank Sharp
 

Mark,

What are you thinking of making or having made that Gibson in particular
doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, and some
of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are using
standard wheels, make sure you ask for 00, assuming that is the standard
you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle length
is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days notice usually,
on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the 7mm
NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. They end
up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I am working
on a DCC brake van!
I'm sure Phil will correct me if I am wrong, but I think A G is making
the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railway wagons.
Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from A G
or yourself on their own?
A G doesn't as far as I know supply to 14mm gauge, but I bought a 16.5
gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces down in
a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of the gauge,
2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a 26
mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the same
hole it pushes the wheels in to the correct B to B for 14mm. The other
hole does for 24.5 mm axles.
I have found that if you disturb A G wagon wheels sometimes the rims
come loose. I usually spend an evening trimming the flash, pushing the
rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. The
next night I regauge them, with another drop of Araldite on the axle. I
think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with the gauge.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 12:38
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels


G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I
believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for
rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And
whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be
reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!

Cheers,
Mark K
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Rollingstock Wheels

 

G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for
rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!

Cheers,
Mark K
trainbrain@...


Re: [O-14] Re: The Truth about Romfords

 

Thanks John and Frank,
I guess a few experiments are in order. Time to learn to handlay points!
Then again, if we all send our inferior axles back to Romford for
replacement with correct axles maybe we'll get an improved product.
Apologies to John Clutterbuck for miss-spelling his surname.
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney

-----Original Message-----
From: jclutterbuck2001 [mailto:jclutterbuck2001@...]
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 7:18 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] Re: The Truth about Romfords




Hi Mark

Over the last few years I have read many articles about obtaining good
running and all seem to imply that following consistent standards is
vital, especially through pointwork.

I dont know what exact impact the extra 0.1 - 0.2 will make in
practice but it will have a corresponding effect on check to flange
and check to gauge (see Files - standards). These I know can have an
impact as the wheel is likely to hit the crossing nose and therefore
can derail.

Regards
John







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Re: [O-14] The Truth about Romfords

Frank Sharp
 

Mark,

I've already seen the post from John C, but my findings in terms of
running were slightly different. On 14mm track, carefully checked by
both gauges and then when I perceived a problem by vernier gauge was
that instead of running on the treads the wheels were actually running
on the root of the flange. I've taken a whisker off the boss at the back
and that seems to have solved the problem. We measure or set back to
back, but that isn't strictly what matters. I understand that we should
be looking at the distance from the joint of the flange and tread on the
face of one wheel to the back of the wheel on the other wheel. If you
think about it, the check rail is intended to keep the flange from
striking the crossing nose when the back of the opposite wheel is up
against the check rail.

Hope that makes sense

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 05 December 2004 12:51
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] The Truth about Romfords

G'day All,
I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm
gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards
info
(in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords.
Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet,
but
the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves)
and
the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track
so
am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track).
From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange
thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a
difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to
Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable
replacements?

Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz

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Re: The Truth about Romfords

 

Hi Mark

Over the last few years I have read many articles about obtaining good
running and all seem to imply that following consistent standards is
vital, especially through pointwork.

I dont know what exact impact the extra 0.1 - 0.2 will make in
practice but it will have a corresponding effect on check to flange
and check to gauge (see Files - standards). These I know can have an
impact as the wheel is likely to hit the crossing nose and therefore
can derail.

Regards
John


The Truth about Romfords

 

G'day All,
I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm
gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info
(in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords.
Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but
the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and
the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so
am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track).
From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange
thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a
difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to
Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable
replacements?

Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz

Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains


O14 Track Standards

 

I have just uploaded a document and diagram for the O14 track
standards into the files section. Hopefully the diagram should be
displayed within the document.

Regards
John


Re: [O-14] Introduction

 

G'day Grant,
There'll be an O-14 focus group at the convention? Great, count me in. My
experience so far has been a few Roy Link skips, 3' of track on PCB
sleepers, a Berg's Burrinjuck wagon and a half complete Krauss.
I am interested in the industrial stuff, but bogie wagons and steam locos
more than skips and rail tractors.
Drop me a line if you need any help for the convention.
Cheers,
Mark K
moderator

www.geocities.com/mark_the_train_brain

-----Original Message-----
From: McAdam, Grant [mailto:grant.mcadam@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2004 1:15 PM
To: 'O-14@...'
Subject: [O-14] Introduction



Hi,

I have just joined the Group.
For those who don't know me I am heavily involved with the exhibition
circuit in Victoria (Australia) as well as many of the Australian Narrow
Gauge Conventions.
I plan on dabbling in O-14 and have many of the Roy Link kits plus some of
the offerings from Agenoria.
I will be leading the O-14 focus group at the upcoming Narrow Gauge
Convention in Australia.

Regards,
Grant





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Introduction

McAdam, Grant
 

Hi,

I have just joined the Group.
For those who don't know me I am heavily involved with the exhibition circuit in Victoria (Australia) as well as many of the Australian Narrow Gauge Conventions.
I plan on dabbling in O-14 and have many of the Roy Link kits plus some of the offerings from Agenoria.
I will be leading the O-14 focus group at the upcoming Narrow Gauge Convention in Australia.

Regards,
Grant


Introduction

 

Hi

I thought I better introduce myself as my joining the other day
prompted mark to publicise the group.

I have modelled in 14mm for over 10 years and am 1/4 way through
making a large loft layout with 30+ yards NG track (+ Scaleseven)
along the lines of the L&B but based in Cornwall.

I hope to post ideas on track construction in the group once my
Backwoods K1 Garratt is finished (see my posts on the 7mmnga group).

Regards
John Clutterbuck


New Member and Model Manufacturer

 

Hi
Joined the group last night, when I tried to introduce myself Yahoo told me the group didn't exist and returned my message! So here goes again.
Having seen the message announcing the formation of the group I thought I ought to join as a modeller (not as often as I'd like) and manufacturer (that's what slowed modelling down) of 7mm narrow gauge vehicles. Hints and tips and market research at the same time.
Most of the kits I produce for 2 foot gauge prototypes are easily changed to the correct 14mm gauge by moving the wheels on the axles and lining up the brake gear with the wheels. This has to be as one of my customer/pattern makers is Adrian Gray, Festiniog Railway Archivist, 7mmNGA trade liaison officer who models Festiniog on the correct gauge.
F.R. inside axle bearing wagons have a specially designed chassis to allow them to be built to 16.5 or 14 mm gauge with a few strokes of a file. Also available are F.R. teardrop hole disc wheels manufactured for me by Alan Gibson.
Have been trying to complete a 4 foot by 1 foot layout for the past 3 years and in my spare(!) time am a volunteer fireman on the Festiniog and have been for the past 25 years. This also gives me easy access to vehicles with my tape measure for the odd occassions when I actually find time to build models myself.
Regards to all
Phil Traxson
Port Wynnstay Models

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kendrick
To: O-14@...
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'


G'day Frank,
Are you going to do the frames with the ornate cut outs as on cn 487 (page
17-Locos built by MW 1)? Also, are you going to build a new saddle tank, to
be semicircular in cross section ala the prototype? Just wondering...
And welcome to all our new members, there's 33 of us!
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz
mr moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: FRANK SHARP [mailto:Frank.J.Sharp@...]
Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 5:23 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'



I've got one to do, I intend to make it 'proper' outside framed, and use
Alan Gibson's bearings.

I will use a gearbox, probably a highlevel type, and this should allow
me to lift the motor into the boiler/saddletank area. I'm going to alter
it to a Locke class, a stepped footplate is the main difference. See the
Manning Wardle Narrow Gauge loco book which has photos and some
drawings.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 28 November 2004 12:04
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

G'day all,
Has anyone tried converting, or building a new chassis for, the
Branchlines
Manning Wardle 0-4-0ST 'Busy Bee' kit?
Is anyone interested in an etched chassis kit to make the conversion?





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New Member

hunslett
 

Hi,
I joined the list today. I recently purchased the Roy Link Handbook
and some skips to see if I like the water. I have been in On16.5 for
many years in 1/43 scale. My primary interest is in Industrial
Narrow gauge with a focus on mineral extraction.
Look forward to the chatter.
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Re: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

FRANK SHARP
 

Mark,

Yes is the simple answer, but nominally the one made for the Duke of
Sutherland on page 16. Though the lining looks to be typical M.W. it is
also similar to the early lining used on the Highland Railway of which
the Duke was a director. So right or wrong it will be that style of
lining but in H.R. colours. As you imply there won't be an awful lot of
the original kit left. I'm going to use Alan Gibson wheels because those
in the kit are too big. I will solder the outside frames provided to
some nickel silver sheet and then cut out as required. Seems odd to
build one to 2ft gauge that wasn't and to ignore the one supplied
reasonably locally to me ( Normanton is 20 miles from here) and that was
the right gauge, but it's my railway. How I explain how it came to be in
Wales hasn't been tackled yet!

After your e-mail yesterday I pulled the kit and the book out last
night, it's getting colder on our half of the planet so it's time to
start building loco's again. When I get it finished I'll post some
pictures, but I've too many hobbies so don't hold your breath.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 29 November 2004 09:52
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

G'day Frank,
Are you going to do the frames with the ornate cut outs as on cn 487
(page
17-Locos built by MW 1)? Also, are you going to build a new saddle tank,
to
be semicircular in cross section ala the prototype? Just wondering...
And welcome to all our new members, there's 33 of us!
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz
mr moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: FRANK SHARP [mailto:Frank.J.Sharp@...]
Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 5:23 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'



I've got one to do, I intend to make it 'proper' outside framed, and use
Alan Gibson's bearings.

I will use a gearbox, probably a highlevel type, and this should allow
me to lift the motor into the boiler/saddletank area. I'm going to alter
it to a Locke class, a stepped footplate is the main difference. See the
Manning Wardle Narrow Gauge loco book which has photos and some
drawings.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 28 November 2004 12:04
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

G'day all,
Has anyone tried converting, or building a new chassis for, the
Branchlines
Manning Wardle 0-4-0ST 'Busy Bee' kit?
Is anyone interested in an etched chassis kit to make the conversion?





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Re: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

 

G'day Frank,
Are you going to do the frames with the ornate cut outs as on cn 487 (page
17-Locos built by MW 1)? Also, are you going to build a new saddle tank, to
be semicircular in cross section ala the prototype? Just wondering...
And welcome to all our new members, there's 33 of us!
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz
mr moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: FRANK SHARP [mailto:Frank.J.Sharp@...]
Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 5:23 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'



I've got one to do, I intend to make it 'proper' outside framed, and use
Alan Gibson's bearings.

I will use a gearbox, probably a highlevel type, and this should allow
me to lift the motor into the boiler/saddletank area. I'm going to alter
it to a Locke class, a stepped footplate is the main difference. See the
Manning Wardle Narrow Gauge loco book which has photos and some
drawings.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 28 November 2004 12:04
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

G'day all,
Has anyone tried converting, or building a new chassis for, the
Branchlines
Manning Wardle 0-4-0ST 'Busy Bee' kit?
Is anyone interested in an etched chassis kit to make the conversion?





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Re: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

FRANK SHARP
 

I've got one to do, I intend to make it 'proper' outside framed, and use
Alan Gibson's bearings.

I will use a gearbox, probably a highlevel type, and this should allow
me to lift the motor into the boiler/saddletank area. I'm going to alter
it to a Locke class, a stepped footplate is the main difference. See the
Manning Wardle Narrow Gauge loco book which has photos and some
drawings.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 28 November 2004 12:04
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee'

G'day all,
Has anyone tried converting, or building a new chassis for, the
Branchlines
Manning Wardle 0-4-0ST 'Busy Bee' kit?
Is anyone interested in an etched chassis kit to make the conversion?





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hello all
I have joined the list today and will introduce myself.I model 7mm
based on the Lynton & Barnstaple and am very interested in 14mm as
I feel that the difference in gauge is noticeable.At the moment I
am finishing off a model 0-16.5,but would be most interested to hear
of any hints on rail/point construction in 14mm gauge.

Nicholas Brown


New member introduction (Trevor in Toronto)

Trevor Marshall
 

Hi List;
I just saw the posting about this group being formed on the 7mmNGA list. Since my
interest in 7mm narrow gauge is the two-foot lines in particular, here I am.
I've added to the database on locomotive models, which also tells you where my interest
lies: I'm about to start building a Backwoods Miniatures 7mm (O-14) kit for the NGG16
Garratts used in South Africa and now on the Welsh Highland Railway. I'm currently on a
number of SAR newsgroups trying to collect information about the Alfred County Railway
that ran (until August of this year) from Port Shepstone to Harding, hauling tourists and
timber behind 2-6-2+2-6-2 engines.
I have collected a number of links on these engines and the lines on which they ran.
I also model the Maine two-footers in 1:48 (North American O scale), where I'm building a
model railway that's freelanced but heavily influenced by the Monson RR, which served a
slate quarry in Maine. Through that, I've developed an interest in Welsh slate quarrying
and I expect at some point I'll build a Quarry Hunslett in 7mm (if the lure of the new
16mm kit from Slaters doesn't get to me first).
I'd be interested in hearing from anybody else about to tackle the 7mm NGG16 from
Backwoods.
Cheers!
- Trevor in Toronto