High impedance measurement with VNA?
Hi,
Currently trying to design and tune a 1/2 end fed antenna (RF is applied on one end), I am looking for the correct method to measure its impedance. As this one is very high I don't know the right
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Christian BARTHOD F8GHE
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#39579
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S-Parameter Plotter
I recently wrote a program to renormalize S-parameter impedance. This lets you measure a filter with a 50 ohm VNA even though the design impedance is higher. In the course of testing the program, I
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Wow ! Thank you so much to every one for taking your time in helping me. I truly appreciate it.
@Siegfried @John
I finally did it. I've cut down my RG174 down to the shortest length I could (35mm).
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Nico
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
And also remember line lengths on/in the dielectric are shortened by the
reciprocal of the SQRT of the dielectric constant (I assume
FR-4?....nominally 4.2).
Dave -
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W0LEV
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Nico,
A couple of points to consider.
1. I can't tell from your PCB photo if you had tracks on both sides of the board in order to implemented a transmission line from the matching network to the
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Roger Need
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
I don't know that shortening it even more makes all that much difference. You can guestimate the loss and to a first order, you're looking for reasonably flat S11 across your band, right? So if 174
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Jim Lux
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Let me apologize if my yesterday's post was not clear. The pictures I posted are actually the result of the recommendation you gave me. I took a 30cm RG-316 cable I have and calibrated at the very
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Nico
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Putting your hand near the antenna (or, really, anything) will also "load" it with a lossy medium, improving the match.
As noted before, though, most people do this by using a tool to design it (e.g.
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Jim Lux
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
1) Do you have the eval board? (Always useful to look at a "known good" implementation)
2) I'm not sure it's expecting copper under the coil. The figure in the data sheet sort of looks like only the
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Jim Lux
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Yes, you're on the right track. However, I'd strongly recomment you place
several appropriate clamp-on ferrites on your feedline right where it exits
the assembly. Also place a few at the VNA,
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W0LEV
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
you should albsoutely calibrate on cable end and use one as short as it is practical (just a few inches would be best!!)
only THEN you have exact values to type into simsmith .. then calculate parts
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Siegfried Jackstien
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
John,
Thanks once again for the precious advices. As I’ve put the antenna exactly as I t has been manufactured, could I simply populate the matching network instead of stretching the spirals ?
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Nico
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Nicolas,
Your results actually look pretty good. An SWR of 2.4:1 represents a loss of only 17%.
Small changes in the spacing of the turns on your antenna should enable you to put the minimum SWR at
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John Gord
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Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Another jig in this post….
/g/nanovna-users/message/20848
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Roger Need
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Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Clifton,
My test jigs and other members were discussed several years ago in this topic. There are 125 messages and lots of good info.
/g/nanovna-users/message/20809
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Roger Need
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Once again,
Thanks to all of you for your inputs. Poorly translated from french, I would say that I did not know in what type of gearbox I was going to put my finger in !
Well, I ran some other
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Nico
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Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Can you show a closeup picture of the TEST JIG for your NanoVNA please.
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CLIFTON HEAD
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Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Can you show a closeup picture of the TEST JIG for your NanoVNA please.
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CLIFTON HEAD
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
as shorfter the cable as better your setup
dg9bfc sigi
Am 23.02.2025 um 20:32 schrieb Nico via groups.io:
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Siegfried Jackstien
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Re: Am I in the right track ?
Nico,
You don't necessarily need more connectors.
You could calibrate at the end of your RG174 cable by detaching it from your board, then using a small 50 ohm chip capacitor, an open circuit, and a
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John Gord
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