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Re: nanoVNA-H (clone?) USB unrecognized

 

Hello Dennis & Tim!
Thanks for the reply and ideeas.
From what you said, it seems that I have no other solutions but to try several versions of firmware swapped with various USB-C <> USB-A cables taken in order.

Another option I am thinking of, would be to try to cut such a cable and directly solder the Vcc / D+ / D- / GND terminals to the existing pins on the nanoVNA PCB (VBUS / USB_DM / USB_DP / GND). I have numbered them in order on the attached diagram (1 / 2 / 3 / 4).

What do you think ?
Thank you!


Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

In my modeling of an EF wire, be they 1/2-wavelength or not, a 9:1 is far
more in order than a 49:1 or even higher ratios. Reason is for any
"reasonable" and amateur typical heights above soil surface, the
interaction of the ground very noticeably lowers the free space feed
impedance. What's more, some sort of counterpoise, even the outer surface
of the coax feed, is absolutely required.

Dave - W?LEV

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:58?AM Andrew Harman <Nexus9d9@...> wrote:

Jim,

The 56:1 can be seen at the Myantennas website.


Andy





--

*Dave - W?LEV*
--
Dave - W?LEV


Re: MODIFIED END FED 155 FT AND 9 TO 1 UNUN

 

Barry,

The phase is just wrapping around 180 degrees.? Not to worry.

Jay KM4EP

On 2/23/2024 11:27 AM, Barry K3EUI wrote:

*
*

*Here is my? "MODIFIED"? 155 FT END-FED? wire WITH?? 9:1?? UNUN (Palomar Engineering) ? and? T-network? CLC tuner in shack*

*Lowest? SWR? set to around 7100 kHz? with a RETURN LOSS? of about?? +25dB ? (plotted as a negative to match SWR graph)
*

*Set up to tune easily on the digi end of fickle forty meters - ready for the Sunday MidAtlantic NBEMS on 7068 kHz at 10 AM EST*

*Can anyone explain the crazy? PHASE? graph with the dual phase changes?
*

*de k3eui*





MODIFIED END FED 155 FT AND 9 TO 1 UNUN

 

*
*

*Here is my? "MODIFIED"? 155 FT END-FED? wire WITH?? 9:1?? UNUN (Palomar Engineering) ? and? T-network? CLC tuner in shack*

*Lowest? SWR? set to around 7100 kHz? with a RETURN LOSS? of about?? +25dB ? (plotted as a negative to match SWR graph)
*

*Set up to tune easily on the digi end of fickle forty meters - ready for the Sunday MidAtlantic NBEMS on 7068 kHz at 10 AM EST*

*Can anyone explain the crazy? PHASE? graph with the dual phase changes?
*

*de k3eui*


Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

If one had a lossless transformer for an End Fed Halfwave EFHW one would expect low SWR on the harmonic multiples of the fundamental frequency, such as 80 40 20 and 10 meters. I attribute the low SWR readings at other frequencies because of the resistive loss in the ferrite.

I consider these EFHW designs another example of broadband lossy designs such as the Tilted Terminated Folded Dipole T2FD antenna which uses a resistive termination. One could follow a trick used by Barker and Williamson in the design of their T2FD by using stainless steel wire. The higher resistance of the steel wire would also result in a lower SWR at the expense of efficiency.

Choosing an antenna is a compromise - a mix of cost, complexity, frequency agility and size but as the saying goes TANSTAAFL - "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".

Mike N2MS

On 02/23/2024 7:12 AM EST Fran?ois <18471@...> wrote:


I consider a 56/1 wideband transformer to be a utopia (I could be wrong). The fact of presenting measurements by joining two transformers head to tail does not assume anything about the operation of a single transformer.

Let's push the absurd and suppose that in the boxes they are 1/1 transformers, you will always have very encouraging measurement results.
--
F1AMM
Fran?ois


Re: Latest recommended H4

 

I would suggest looking into the SAA-2N, I got mine from R&L. The type N connectors, cables and calibration standards appear robust and work well. The steel case is a plus. 73, Don N2VGU


Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

I have an end-fed antenna with switch-selectable 49, 56 and 64:1 ratios. It's covered with heat shrink so I haven't looked inside. Checks out OK with VNA.
73, Don N2VGU


Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

The end to end testing is INSERTION LOSS.
Ok, it is the testing insertion of the *two boxes end to end*. This doesn't tell us anything about the functioning of any *one* of the boxes. Even if it's Uncle Sam who does the measuring
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F1AMM
Fran?ois

-----Message d'origine-----
De la part de Andrew Harman
Envoy¨¦ : vendredi 23 f¨¦vrier 2024 13:45


Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

Jim, The 56:1 can be seen at the Myantennas website. They have a similar transformer with the 49:1 and state it can be in the horizontal L config. On the 49:1 kit there is a disclaimer on the band coverage. These are typically a 3 core kernel.

Fran?ois, A 49:1 is 2500:50 ohms and a 56:1 is 2800:50. Saying the "boxes" are 1:1 -- that is if fact absurd. The end to end testing is INSERTION LOSS. You may want to look at some articles at Ferrite Corporation on how insertion loss testing may be performed. My local club president was the chief engineer at Ferrite until he recently retired - he has steered us to many of their papers and videos over the years.

Andy


Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

I consider a 56/1 wideband transformer to be a utopia (I could be wrong). The fact of presenting measurements by joining two transformers head to tail does not assume anything about the operation of a single transformer.

Let's push the absurd and suppose that in the boxes they are 1/1 transformers, you will always have very encouraging measurement results.
--
F1AMM
Fran?ois

-----Message d'origine-----
De la part de Andrew Harman
Envoy¨¦ : vendredi 23 f¨¦vrier 2024 12:58


Re: Latest recommended H4

Roger Jollis
 

Thanks all for the pointers. It seems that R&L and AURSINC both sell the
NanoVNA. I am familiar with R&L, have purchased from them both online and
in their store in SW Ohio. Their NanoVNA H4 is only slightly more expensive
than Amazon. I like the idea of supporting a ham store and I know that when
you call with questions and advice, they are always at your service.

As I am looking through the alternatives, I note that there seem to be
two manufacturers represented by the sellers, SeeSII and NanoVNA. Again, I
looked for any info on comparing the two, but haven't found any. Is there
any group insight on whether the NanoVNA by SeeSII or NanoVNA by NanoVNA is
better?

Thanks for the replies.

73 de K8YX

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 9:10?PM Jim Shorney <jimNU0C@...> wrote:


R&L. USA storefront, run by hams, fast shipping, and they know what you
are talking about when you contact them.



73

-Jim
NU0C

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 13:01:32 -0800
"Roger Jollis" <rjollis@...> wrote:

Given a choice, I would prefer to purchase on Amazon where I have a gift
card credit and where I can get the device fairly quickly.






Re: Latest recommended H4

 

R&L. USA storefront, run by hams, fast shipping, and they know what you are talking about when you contact them.



73

-Jim
NU0C

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 13:01:32 -0800
"Roger Jollis" <rjollis@...> wrote:

Given a choice, I would prefer to purchase on Amazon where I have a gift card credit and where I can get the device fairly quickly.


Re: Latest recommended H4

 

AURSINC was recommended from Groups.IO at Amazon. I got a NanoVNA-H from them. I had a problem, they replaced no questions asked. I like what I have and can recommend.


Re: Latest recommended H4

 

Just buy from the official AliExpress store or from an authorized reseller ...

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 22:03, Roger Jollis <rjollis@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I have looked for past postings for my question, but don't find a >recent< answer. So here's my situation. I have destroyed my second NanoVNA, an H4 model that I bought last July to replace my last one. This time, instead of dropping it on a concrete floor, I connected the device to my DX Commander antenna project to begin to tune it. Not realizing that the front end is susceptible to ESD damage, I didn't use an attenuator or other external protection. Apparently there was a large enough static charge in the antenna system to blow the front end of the VNA. So the S11 input is completely unresponsive and the device shows a consistent random noise readout (video attached).

While I'm tempted to buy a Rig Expert, I would miss this robust community that stands behind the NanoVNA. And I have just last week ordered a NanoVNA book from RSGB that isn't here yet. So I am once again in the market for a new H4. Since there are so many clones out there, I don't want to get burned with buying a marginal clone device. Given a choice, I would prefer to purchase on Amazon where I have a gift card credit and where I can get the device fairly quickly. But most important is to have a reliable unit. Does anybody have some recent experience with which flavor of NanoVNA to buy?

Thanks in advance.

73 de K8YX

Short vid shows the SWR function with a 50 Ohm load connected to S11. Trace: 0, Format: S11 (Refl), Stimulus: 3.0-4.5Mhz. Makes no difference when it is connected to a load. Just noise.





Re: Latest recommended H4

 

I bought both an H4 and TinySA Ultra from R&L at the strong recommendation of several. Both units are very good and good distributor that stands behind them.

On Feb 22, 2024, at 4:01?PM, Roger Jollis <rjollis@...> wrote:

?Hi all.

I have looked for past postings for my question, but don't find a >recent< answer. So here's my situation. I have destroyed my second NanoVNA, an H4 model that I bought last July to replace my last one. This time, instead of dropping it on a concrete floor, I connected the device to my DX Commander antenna project to begin to tune it. Not realizing that the front end is susceptible to ESD damage, I didn't use an attenuator or other external protection. Apparently there was a large enough static charge in the antenna system to blow the front end of the VNA. So the S11 input is completely unresponsive and the device shows a consistent random noise readout (video attached).

While I'm tempted to buy a Rig Expert, I would miss this robust community that stands behind the NanoVNA. And I have just last week ordered a NanoVNA book from RSGB that isn't here yet. So I am once again in the market for a new H4. Since there are so many clones out there, I don't want to get burned with buying a marginal clone device. Given a choice, I would prefer to purchase on Amazon where I have a gift card credit and where I can get the device fairly quickly. But most important is to have a reliable unit. Does anybody have some recent experience with which flavor of NanoVNA to buy?

Thanks in advance.

73 de K8YX

Short vid shows the SWR function with a 50 Ohm load connected to S11. Trace: 0, Format: S11 (Refl), Stimulus: 3.0-4.5Mhz. Makes no difference when it is connected to a load. Just noise.





<NanoVNA H4 Noise.mp4>


Latest recommended H4

Roger Jollis
 

Hi all.

I have looked for past postings for my question, but don't find a >recent< answer. So here's my situation. I have destroyed my second NanoVNA, an H4 model that I bought last July to replace my last one. This time, instead of dropping it on a concrete floor, I connected the device to my DX Commander antenna project to begin to tune it. Not realizing that the front end is susceptible to ESD damage, I didn't use an attenuator or other external protection. Apparently there was a large enough static charge in the antenna system to blow the front end of the VNA. So the S11 input is completely unresponsive and the device shows a consistent random noise readout (video attached).

While I'm tempted to buy a Rig Expert, I would miss this robust community that stands behind the NanoVNA. And I have just last week ordered a NanoVNA book from RSGB that isn't here yet. So I am once again in the market for a new H4. Since there are so many clones out there, I don't want to get burned with buying a marginal clone device. Given a choice, I would prefer to purchase on Amazon where I have a gift card credit and where I can get the device fairly quickly. But most important is to have a reliable unit. Does anybody have some recent experience with which flavor of NanoVNA to buy?

Thanks in advance.

73 de K8YX

Short vid shows the SWR function with a 50 Ohm load connected to S11. Trace: 0, Format: S11 (Refl), Stimulus: 3.0-4.5Mhz. Makes no difference when it is connected to a load. Just noise.


Re: nanoVNA-H (clone?) USB unrecognized

 

The USB port does not define the connectivity protocol, just the physical interconnect, and if DFU is working (part of the bootloader), but the COM port mode isn't, then that could also be a bad firmware flash in the VNA.

On February 22, 2024 12:49:37 AM EST, "Bobinuta Bobinel via groups.io" <bobinuta@...> wrote:
Good morning Tim,
Thanks for the note about DFU driver, I didn't knew.

An interesting thing is the fact that yesterday evening I installed nanoVNA-saver on a MacBook Air (with MacBook Ports) and I obtained the same result:
- when I connect my own NanoVNA, a communication port is appearing in MacBook list, and the NanoVNA-saver could connect to the device ;
- connecting my friend's NanoVNA, the comm port does not appear and therefore, the NanoVNA-saver could NOT connect to the device.

Thinking to what you've told me (DFU mode is a completely different driver in Windows), do I have to suppose that in this particular situation, the USB port of the ST microcontroller mounted in my friend's NanoVNA could be damaged ?
However, I know that USB has only 4 wires, +/- and dataIn/dataOut. If something was faulty on the STM USB port, would it still work in DFU mode?

Thanks a lot and a nice day,
Bob




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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

15:2 ratio?

Approx.

Cheers,
Paul

On 22/02/2024 14:34, Jim Lux wrote:
56:1? That¡¯s kind of a weird ratio. 49:1 is easy, it¡¯s 7:1 turns ratio (impedance goes as the square of the turns ratio). 64:1 would be 8:1 turns.
On Feb 21, 2024, at 7:47?AM, Andrew Harman<Nexus9d9@...> wrote:

?I've seen other kits which supply 130 ft with a 56:1. (and since you went with a heavy wire you are likely a little long on your trim yet) If its high enough a counterpoise isn't necessary - but grounding at entrance is recommended. (NPFA 70, article 800) The other option for a coil at the feed point is also sometimes used - but you knew that.

Andy






Re: Nano VNA graphs of MYANTENNA end fed with 140 ft #12 wire

 

56:1? That¡¯s kind of a weird ratio. 49:1 is easy, it¡¯s 7:1 turns ratio (impedance goes as the square of the turns ratio). 64:1 would be 8:1 turns.

On Feb 21, 2024, at 7:47?AM, Andrew Harman <Nexus9d9@...> wrote:

?I've seen other kits which supply 130 ft with a 56:1. (and since you went with a heavy wire you are likely a little long on your trim yet) If its high enough a counterpoise isn't necessary - but grounding at entrance is recommended. (NPFA 70, article 800) The other option for a coil at the feed point is also sometimes used - but you knew that.

Andy





Re: nanoVNA-H (clone?) USB unrecognized

 

FWIW, I had a similar problem with my NanoVNA-H. It wouldn't work with the USB-C cable that came with my Hantek Oscilloscope. It wouldn't work with the USB-C cable that came with my cell phone. I thought my NanoVNA-H might be a defective clone. Then I tried the USB-C cable that came with my tinySA and it worked. Why, I don't know, but 24 pin USB-C can use more than just four connections. The standard provides four power¨Cground pairs, two differential pairs for USB 2.0 data, four pairs for SuperSpeed data bus (only two pairs are used in USB 3.1 mode), and a configuration pin for cable orientation detection. Perhaps it depends on how the four pin USB-A to 24 pin USB-C adapter cable is wired? Sorry
I don't have any better suggestion than to try different USB-A to USB-C adapter cables.