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Re: Calibration standards - BNC

 



Only good to 600MHz though.

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Terry VK5TM
( )


Re: Calibrating to a long coax? #applications #calibration #measurement

 

NanoVNA need ~1-2ms for measure 1 point
Pause 0.5ms between measure points for wait si5351 freq lock (can be larger on band change)


Re: Calibration standards - BNC

 

Did a search on google using "bnc calibration kit" and had several hits that includes both male and female configurations along with a wide range of cost.

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David S


Re: Calibrating to a long coax? #applications #calibration #measurement

 

One caveat to measuring at the end of a long cable is that the calibration and measurement may need to have the sweep speed reduced. A round trip reflection cal or measurement with a 100 M transmission line with a velocity factor of .66 will be roughly a microsecond.
This can be controlled on a commercial VNA - I'm not sure if the nanovna / saver has that capability.

Bob


saver software linux

 

Hello all-

received my nanoVNa from Amazon Sunday, have the Saver software running on
win10 ok.

Trying to also install on Ubuntu 18.04, but run into problems:

~/nanovna-saver$ python3.7 -m pip install .
Processing /home/dandell/nanovna-saver
Collecting PyQt5 (from NanoVNASaver==0.2.2)
Using cached

Complete output from command python setup.py egg_info:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tokenize.py", line 447, in open
buffer = _builtin_open(filename, 'rb')
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/tmp/pip-build-dnr2o492/PyQt5/setup.py'
Error in sys.excepthook:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport_python_hook.py", line 63,
in apport_excepthook
from apport.fileutils import likely_packaged, get_recent_crashes
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/__init__.py", line 5, in
<module>
from apport.report import Report
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/report.py", line 30, in
<module>
import apport.fileutils
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/fileutils.py", line 23,
in <module>
from apport.packaging_impl import impl as packaging
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/packaging_impl.py", line
24, in <module>
import apt
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apt/__init__.py", line 23, in
<module>
import apt_pkg
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'apt_pkg'

Original exception was:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tokenize.py", line 447, in open
buffer = _builtin_open(filename, 'rb')
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/tmp/pip-build-dnr2o492/PyQt5/setup.py'

------------------------------
i have also checked to see if the other Python modules are installed and
they are

(You may need to install the additional packages python3-distutils,
python3-setuptools and python3-wheel for this command to work on some
distributions.)

any help out there?

Thanks Dan KC2STA

--
Dan Ziolkowski KC2STA
SKCC #4290T
Ubuntu LINUX


Re: NanoVNA dealers in Europe?

 

Don't know whereabouts you are.

I bought my nanoVNA-H from Mirfield Electronics here in the UK. Arrived in 4 days, well packed and included a couple of extras adapters for PL259/SO239 in the price. Satisfied customer.

I see that Passion Radio in France advertises the H model for 65 Euros.

A quick search should find both.

Chris


Re: NanoVNA dealers in Europe?

F1CJN_Alain
 

IN France, we have


Re: NanoVNA dealers in Europe?

F1CJN_Alain
 

In France we have,


Re: NanoVNA dealers in Europe?

 

Can you name them and/or give their website URLs?

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 01:53:19PM -0700, ian.bowman70 via groups.io wrote:
We have a couple of small dealers selling them.



Re: Trouble buying from China

 

I have been using Aramex Global Shopper (I'm normal client of the company) for the last 3 years - I provide an address in Hongkong for AliExpress and the shipment took 10 days to arrive there from Mainland China. Then it is another 10 days to my door in Pretoria, South Africa.

In this case I realised that I have a NanoVNA V3.1 Hardware (White Plastics) and decide I need a upgraded (V3.4). A bigger screen would be nice and with the support given by DisLord for this version, I decided on a -H4 from the Deepelec store on AliExpress.

Hope to have it in a few days. The shipping per courier adds $10-$20, but it is worth it given the Covid issues

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of stevepilotltd
Sent: 20 May 2020 09h00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Trouble buying from China

Mike - That's been going on for 12+ months - I buy from China regularly and have been on several occasions. Generally there's no problems with the stuff leaving the factory but the distribution centres in Hong Kong are a different matter. See - some of my suppliers are now shipping via other centres. Covid just added to the inefficiency excuses.


Re: Trouble buying from China

 

Mike - That's been going on for 12+ months - I buy from China regularly and have been on several occasions. Generally there's no problems with the stuff leaving the factory but the distribution centres in Hong Kong are a different matter. See - some of my suppliers are now shipping via other centres. Covid just added to the inefficiency excuses.


Re: Trouble buying from China

 

In the other direction, there are countries that the USPS isn't even
accepting shipments to right now, either because their post offices have
shut down or because no transportation is available. Info here:

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 11:33 PM Hajo Schatz <hajo@...> wrote:

No need to speculate based on anecdotal cases:


There's massive disruption generally, some of us are lucky and some are
not.

73s,
Hajo

PGP key:


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:10 AM Tom VA7TA <tma.7ta@...> wrote:

Greetings,

I am waiting for several items sent via ~pre-COVID normal~, 2-3 week
typical delivery time to Canada, ~ePacket~ and ~AliExpress Standard~
express alternatives. These items have been on order for about 2 months
and
still have not shown up. Surprisingly some small items I ordered around
the
same time that were sent via economy shipping are trickling in. According
to tracking services several of my express shipment items seem to be
stuck
in China. Possibly economy shipped items are still arriving via container
ships in a somewhat ~pre-COVID normal~ fashion. Possibly in contrast many
air shipments are currently stalled due to lack of air cargo space for my
relatively low priority mail.

I wonder if there are current day statistics regarding shipment
methods
from China posted somewhere on the Internet that would shed some light on
this situation?

--
Best Regards,
tma






Re: Trouble buying from China

 

No need to speculate based on anecdotal cases:


There's massive disruption generally, some of us are lucky and some are
not.

73s,
Hajo

PGP key:

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:10 AM Tom VA7TA <tma.7ta@...> wrote:

Greetings,

I am waiting for several items sent via ~pre-COVID normal~, 2-3 week
typical delivery time to Canada, ~ePacket~ and ~AliExpress Standard~
express alternatives. These items have been on order for about 2 months and
still have not shown up. Surprisingly some small items I ordered around the
same time that were sent via economy shipping are trickling in. According
to tracking services several of my express shipment items seem to be stuck
in China. Possibly economy shipped items are still arriving via container
ships in a somewhat ~pre-COVID normal~ fashion. Possibly in contrast many
air shipments are currently stalled due to lack of air cargo space for my
relatively low priority mail.

I wonder if there are current day statistics regarding shipment methods
from China posted somewhere on the Internet that would shed some light on
this situation?

--
Best Regards,
tma




Re: Captured in the wild #bying #internals #buying

 

Checked your picture, black and white are not made by us, but it seems that your black version uses the same circuit as ours, we only found a little difference on the PCB, as long as the test is normal, it should not affect the use .

hugen


Re: Calibration standards - BNC

 

All,

I'd like an inexpensive calibration set (open, short, 50 ohm load) for BNC (M&F) Any one seen such??

Larry, K4MLA


Re: Calibrating to a long coax? #applications #calibration #measurement

aparent1/kb1gmx
 

Calibrating to the end of a cable was SOP in the lab I ran and every
time some one would tell me it introduces error I'd give them what ever
time they needed to prove it. They all failed in their assertions
as did I when I had that assumption in my head many years before.

Your data is as good as the cal to the plane of the cal. Even with
45ft of RG400 at 400mhz it worked.

The only yabut of it is if the losses are so great and the cable
long enough it will eventually self terminate. At that point its
not useful to do a SOL cal at the far end as the reflections are
absorbed before they reach the instrument.

Allison
-----------------
No direct email, it goes to bit bucket due address harvesting in groups.IO


Re: Calibrating to a long coax? #applications #calibration #measurement

 

On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 22:36, pez@arg <petrosez7@...> wrote:

| On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 09:48 PM, <sj@...> wrote:
=
|
| I would say NO.
| Sorry to say, but have worked with VNA's for 30 years and as soon as you
come
| near 1/8 wavelength the measurement errors are taking over.
| You know, in the analyzer the matrices that are multiplied together, the
error
I matrice will start to influence significantly. It is very difficult to
say
| that it always will not work when exceeding 1/8 (because you are closing
in to
| 1/4 and the matrice in play will get 0's and infinite in some places)
because
| let's consider you are clever and you measure in a narrow sweep where
your
| cable length is not any close to a 1/4 wave multiplum, then it can
actually
| work to some extend.
|
| Generally if you can't evaluate when you are measuring correct, I
recommend
| you to keep your calibration point as close as possible to the analyzer
and
| respect you might have significant errors if your CAL point exceeding
1/8 wave
| length away from the port.
|
| People believing they can calibrate out 20 meter of coax at any
frequency,
| does not have any idea what they are talking about.

The standard Agilent cables for my HP 8720D VNA are 24" long, which is
about 600 mm. The maximum frequency of the VNA is 20 GHz, so a wavelength
of approximately 15 mm. Even ignoring the velocity factor of the cables,
that makes them 40 wavelengths long.

Maybe you mean something different to what I think you mean.

Dave


Re: Calibrating to a long coax? #applications #calibration #measurement

 

Thank you. I see it now. My old eyes need some magnification hi... hi

Tony VE3DWI.

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 20:59 Roger Need via groups.io <sailtamarack=
[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:11 PM, Tony wrote:


Why are the two measurements not taken in the same display format? One
graph is in SWR one is in RL.

Tony VE3DWI.
They are all taken in the same format! All 4 graphs have both
measurements on them. The results are so close that one is directly
overlaid on the other and you can't tell one from the other except at a few
frequencies. Take a close look at this plot - I zoomed in to show the 2
plots.

Roger







Re: Calibrating to a long coax? #applications #calibration #measurement

 

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:11 PM, Tony wrote:


Why are the two measurements not taken in the same display format? One
graph is in SWR one is in RL.

Tony VE3DWI.
They are all taken in the same format! All 4 graphs have both measurements on them. The results are so close that one is directly overlaid on the other and you can't tell one from the other except at a few frequencies. Take a close look at this plot - I zoomed in to show the 2 plots.

Roger