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Re: Step by step on measuring inductor and self resonance


 

Biran : I downloaded the program and I entered the values of my measured inductor Leq= 21.2 michoH , this is very good result. I suppose the Resistance would be computed via skin effect. For any reason looks like includes the parasite capacitance, this is ok if you want to compute the parallel capacitor for a trap for example or if you with to use the inductor on a circuit design ( for this reason I assigned it to (Leq)uivalent).
L varies on frequency if you see it goes up this is because you have Cp in parallel then que equivalent Leq= L1/(1- Omega^2 L1 Cp) , L1 is the pure self inductance. Q is ok ! Freq/SRF measured is 0,17 and this is also good.

The Q mismatch you mention comes from this error in my opinion , I would need to verify via calculus¡­ but if you read my post you will see that Q goes down if I consider Cp the capacitor used on trap also reduces Q.

This is a very good program!!

In this example (I posted a capture) I set 2.7 MHz as reference Leq= 21.2 microH , the capacitor to made a trap is C= 163.9 pF we can approximate Cp = 2.81 pF (this is using the program F/SRF ratio) , L= 20,84 microH then If we ignore Cp Q= 169.8 with Cp Q= 166,75. I recommend to perform this calculus and check because in the most of cases the coil Q defines the resonator Q . In my measurement the capacitor Q is ~ 20 times the inductor ¡­ you can see when I measured C ESR= 0,13 Ohm¡­ this is not perfect but Q functions like parallel resistors ¡­ Qtrap= QL QC/(QL+QC) then Qtrap will go down by 5%

Other source of error is because Cp is in general a very bad capacitor , in general results of form dielectric constant and wire enamel¡­ with the most of energy in a lossy capacitor Q goes down¡­ it also affects the self resonance frequency measurement because the dielectric constants varies with frequency for this reason there are another method to compute Cp at the work frequency I shown it in other post.

Of course you have optimum values for higher Q it depends on wire length and geometry.




Ing. Patricio A. Greco
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On 13 Dec 2024, at 14:06, Brian Beezley via groups.io <k6sti@...> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 08:44 AM, Patricio A. Greco wrote:


A Q factor with an error of 10% is very good for the most applications
Patricio, this calculator may interest you for inductor design. Its Q accuracy is within a few percent on average for test coils measured with an HP 4342A Q meter. Worst case Q error is < 10%. It has an optimizer for maximizing Q. It can also optimize a coil for minimum loss in a trap. Much to my surprise, this does not occur at maximum coil Q.



Optimizing wideband antenna models with coils or traps:



Brian




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