On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 12:52 PM Michael Black via groups.io <mdblack98= [email protected]> wrote:
The only way to properly measure an antenna is at the antenna initially. Once you're happy with the antenna the coax can mostly be ignored and you should NOT change your antenna based on any measurements done with the coax connected. Coax has it's own inductance and reactance and impedance which you cannot change. This is also why tuners are best placed at the antenna and not at the rig as the tuner can get misled by common mode also and coax effects. If the VNA allows proper calibration you can calibrate your coax by putting the open/short/load at the end of the coax where you are hooking up the antenna. Then when you measure at the rig side you will see just the antenna (plus whatever common mode is coming back at you) and it should like the measurement done at the antenna. To see if common mode is affecting your measurement you can add a 1/4 lambda length coax jumper and see if your VNA answer changes. If it does than common mode is affecting your measurement and you can pretty much ignore what the VNA says at that point. Adapters don't cause a lot of problems so an SMA/PL-259 or SMA/UHF adapter should be OK so at least you are using the same loads all the time (there is (or rather should be) some minor variation between loads). What you should look for is tuning at the antenna for j0=0 (resonance) -- the frequency where j0=0 occurs should not change with the coax even if common mode occurs. The rest of the curve might change though. The reason is that you don't get much common mode at the resonant frequency. I just went through this exercise tuning a 6M beam where we found a Cushcraft 6M4EL had the wrong measurements in the manual. Once we got the antenna tuned properly (adjusting the feed element for frequency and D1 for impedance) we were able to get an SWR of 1.07 and 600KHz width < 1.5. Once we connected the coax the tuned frequency stayed the same but the SWR increased a bit to 1.12 which is expected due to the added connectors. A proper choke at the antenna suppressed common mode on the non-resonant frequencies so the VNA smith chart didn't change much with the coax added. Mike W9MDB On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 02:10:17 PM CDT, Connie Stillinger via groups.io <stillinger@...> wrote:
Hi -- I would like to use the NanoVNA for measuring and adjusting antennas in the field for relatively casual POTA and other portable ham radio activities (e.g. tuning the loading coil on a vertical; or tuning wire lengths on a dipole or EFHW; etc).
My antennas' feed points as well as my feed lines are all either UHF or BNC, and my radio has a UHF connector.
The problem is that the NanoVNA has SMA connectors and only an SMA calibration set. In order to measure my antennas and cables I need to use adapters.
Do I need to acquire or make BNC and UHF calibration sets for this kind of field antenna measurement? Or is calibration using the SMA cal set at all useful for this kind of amateur radio activity? I know it's not ideal but since I'm not looking for a high degree of precision I wonder how bad the error will be.
How can I measure the error due to the use of adaptors?