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Re: [Ham-Antennas] USING THE NANOVNA AND SAVER TO MEASURE CM ATTENUATION THROUGH CMCs
Gary,
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IF the alternative RF path is down a pair of antenna wires near a feed point where the equivalent impedance is ~75 Ohms, then 3K ohms looks very good. On the other hand if end-feeding and using the choke to hold back the RF on the feedline, then RF impedance at the point of the choke might be >2k Ohms and 3K ohms is hopeless. This is why my original post of my results attempted to measure the series impedance (mostly inductive) at various frequencies within the amateur bands of my CMCs (using the HP-9753C VNA). I use a 450-foot long doublet fed with (mostly) 400-ohm parallel conductor transmission line (about 65-feet total of that Xline). As such, the impedance presented here in the shack is all over the Smith Chart. I could evaluate the effectiveness of my chokes only by knowing the series Z they presented and the impedance of the antenna/feedline presented in the shack. Others wanted to see the attenuation of CM energy as measured in a 50-ohm system. That's why I presented that measurement in the second set of measurements I sent out yesterday. Used as I do, every installation in the world will be different. The impedance of my antenna does not hit the real axis of the chart anywhere in the amateur bands. The lowest frequency 1/2-wavelength resonance (with a bit of capacitive end loading) is roughly 950 kHz in the bottom third of the AM BCB. My w/c impedance is on 40-meters: 1000 - j 1100 ohms. In my installations, I believe a better metric with which to measure the performance of my CMCs is the balance between current going up and back on the parallel line transmission line. I have built a small piece of equipemt to measure just that. I've also taken each CMC and using an o'scope and a signal generator measured the balance of amplitude and phase reversal from the two DM ports with CM drive from the signal generator. That has not appeared in my measurements as I'm trying to stick with the NANOVNAs. The antenna where I was trying to use this was in between those extremes, but the NEC model run suggested that I was losing about 40% of my power to/through the choke on 160. The final test I put my CMCs through is in place between the output of the matching network (L-network) and the parallel conductor transmission line to the set of wires *at power*. I start with around 400-watts. That caught one CMC wound with house wiring insulated with PVC - bad heating of the insulation. It was eventually unwound. Those wound with solid AWG #12 solid enamelled copper conductors exhibited bad coronal discharge between winding pairs of the line on the cores. If you are, indeed, losing 40% of your power on 160-meters at 100- watts, I'd expect some major amount of heating would be evident. If not, something in the model is missing. Several decades ago, I started with CMC wound on a large core of 43 material using RG-142 coax. That the 'high power' teflon insulated, silver plated conductor 50-ohm coax. I finally came to realize its only function was to present a large inductive reactance to the CM energy on my transmission line. A choke wound in bifilar manner accomplishes that in addition to ensuring the currents cancel within the core which forces CM energy passing unattenuated through the core - the DM energy. Therefore, all my chokes of resent build have been bifilar windings on the cores. Dave - W?LEV On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 7:40 PM Gary Rondeau <grondeau@...> wrote:
Dave, --
*Dave - W?LEV* *Just Let Darwin Work* |
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