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Re: Definition of resonance


 

With all this chatter about resonance (some of which I know won't hold water) I will have to go and look again. I have been working with resonance as being when inductive reactance and capacitive reactance are equal. That may or may not occur at 50 ohms resistive. The "tuner" really is a "matcher" and if it is in your shack near your transmitter it is used to show your transmitter a match to the feedline - usually 50 ohms. The other end of the feedline at the antenna is randomly affected by the matcher at the opposite end (in your shack). It would be rare for the feedline and antenna to be well matched with parts thrown up out in the wild. It may work just fine anyway.

To get a good match at the antenna to the feedline out there the "matcher" must be located at the antenna feedpoint. Now I will go look up resonance once again and see what it is. When I was a child and wanted to build a radio I was completely frustrated. I completely ignored resonance. Who needs that foolishness anyway. Finally I got a grasp on resonance and next I built a working radio:) I don't believe the definition has changed in 65 years.

73,

Bill KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 9/7/20 2:34 PM, Torbj?rn Toreson wrote:
For the sake of making an instruction for an antenna tuner I placed a dipole of length about 2 times 8 meters in my garden about 1 meter up from the ground. The idea was to get some not ideal values that could be handled by an antenna tuner. I used my NanoVNA to get a Smith-diagram between 3 and 8 MHz according to the enclosed picture. Point 1 is 3 MHz and point 8 is 8 MHz.
It is usually stated that resonance occurs when +/- jX is zero in Z=R+jX. I began to think about where I had resonance for my dipole. There are four transitions of the curve over the pure resistance line so is it correct to say that all those are points of resonance? Point 7 is obviously close to 50 ohm, SWR is actually 1.2, but nevertheless I have pure resistance at three other points, all of which by the way could be handled by the antenna tuner to get 50 ohm for the transmitter.
I am used to say that an antenna only has one resonance frequency apart from multiples of the basic resonance. My Smith-diagram clearly shows that is not correct. Point 3 is 4.6 MHz, Point 6 is 6.5 MHz and point 7 is 7.2 MHz. (I should have noted the frequency for the transition between points 6 and 7, but it is a bit less than 7 MHz.)
Can someone please shed some light on the definition of resonance in conjunction with an antenna.
73/Torbjorn
PS. I manually added the SWR 2 and SWR 3 circles afterwards, but it could be handy if the FW had the option to show them.

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