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Re: NanoVNA and preamps


 

Any good VNA can be used to evaluate preamps. However, remember to
consider IP3 and the max input that may yield 1 dB compression at the
output. When driven too hard, the device will not perform as it would with
a weak signal, which is your goal. Also, and I won't belabor the point as
it has been previously mentioned, best NF is generally not best match.
Rely on the published noise S-Parameters.

While not an instrument to measure absolute noise figure (but it can be
calibrated), the gated noise source is good for setting gain, bandwidth,
and noise figure. Zener diodes make wonderful noise sources when biased
near or at the knee. You can 'gate' them using the square wave output from
any signal generator and view the output on a spectrum analyzer. The
'noise output' impedance can be stabilized by installing a 50-ohm loss pad
between the Zener and the noise output. 5 dB of attenuation will assure a
worst case match (or known source impedance) of 2:1 SWR, or a return loss
of 10 dB. Best noise figure will occur when the noise on vs. noise off is
at a maximum. Using a broadband noise source, you will also be able to
view the bandwidth and, to an extent, the gain whether for max, best match,
and/or best NF. Even without a spectrum analyzer, you can set the preamp
for best NF using an o'scope with adequate bandwidth. If you can find or
buy a calibrated noise source (which I gave $5.00 for at a local ham
swapmeet several years ago), you will have an absolute measurement of NF.
When I found it on the table, the guy selling it commented, "Who wants more
noise"?! Little did he know the multiple uses of a calibrated noise
source!!

Dave - W?LEV

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:25 PM Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@...> wrote:

I hadn't seen much written about using the NanoVNA with VHF preamps. I have
a couple I have never adjusted except "by ear." So I thought I'd give it a
try.

I put a 20 dB attenuator on the output, since the estimated gain for the
two preamps was around 20 dB. I fed the input directly from the port 0 of
the NanoVNA so I could look at s11

My 432 MHz preamp needed some peaking. It wasn't difficult. I got it tuned
so s11 is -45 dB and the gain is about 21 dB. That's as I expected. Not bad
for a 20 year old preamp using an ATF10136.

My 222 MHz preamp uses the same FET and circuit. It did not look so good. I
could only tune the s11 to about -6 dB and the output did not peak anywhere
throughout the tuning range. Gain shows th be about 6.5 dB. There is
definitely something wrong with the preamp. I have also been using it for
20 years. I knew it has gain but it never did seem to have as much as my
144 and 432 MHz preamps. Now I've verified this. I suspect some value
(probably the input tuning inductor) is off.

I can't do anything for noise figure with the NanoVNA but at least I have
the 432 MHz preamp tuned pretty close. I can get the preamps checked and
tuned at a VHF conference next year.

73, Zack W9SZ

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