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Locked Re: New to group and quest for loop¡­ #160

 

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I thought that congress and the FCC directed that all HOAs cannot ban all antennas.?

Alan - W6ARH

On 10/24/2022 7:03 PM, John Perry wrote:

I've did it relatively successfully over the years and I've seen others do it that way as well. I know this much and I've had plenty of 2000 to 6000 mile contacts over the years using Magnetic Loops indoors at relatively low wattages under 100 watts. It can be done plus here in the states we have a lot of lightning prone areas where you might not want to have your mag loop outside and be able to use it in an attic or somewhere that isn't so conspicuous. One problem here in the United States is the increasingly influence of the local antenna police called HOA or commonly known as homeowner associations. Therefore there are many hams who cannot because of their local environment be able to put a funky looking loop outside even on their patio or some other place around their property even with them owning their property that they are still subject to HOA rules due to it being a requirement for such ownership of said property.?

Many Americans these days live in apartments as well and some of the restrictions that come with boilerplate leases and renting also involve restrictions on any outside antenna including anything that would be much more than the basic satellite dish of maximum of one meter or approximately 40 inches in diameter. Anything else is seriously prohibited in many rental agreements or even by landlords who do not want antennas visible in their properties. So therefore ham radio operators and shortwave enthusiasts often have to conceal these antennas from spying eyes or nosy neighbors or overbearing landlords, apartment police or such ne'er do wells that have nothing better to do than serve as the local auxiliary police force of the local apartment complex or the neighborhood due to the HOA.?

One can use these loops to receive signals from thousands of miles away with quite acceptable results like my reception daily of Radio New Zealand from 13000 kilometers or 8200 miles away with S9 plus signal on a daily basis just using a Yaesu FRG-100B receiver with a small 4 foot magnetic loop with quite good results. Then again I've also used magnetic loops to contact many stations in Europe and Russia which are both well over 4000 miles/7000 kilometers away in the case of Europe as well as much as 7000 miles/10000 kilometers away to Russia or even Japan which is 10000 km away or 6000-6500 miles away.?

I've also worked a little over 100 countries using indoor antenna such as a 200 foot longwire?ran around a ceiling and fed into a 9 to 1 balun for a number of years as well and also achieved a great deal of success with working long distance DX.? I'll take my results for now and when my situation changes in the future will probably be putting up something outdoors but for now what I have works. I might also add that I've also worked a great deal of these same countries with a mobile station in my automobile over many years as well including 6000 mile contacts to Russia on occasion when the conditions are right.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 11:21 AM Simon <ohhellnotagain@...> wrote:
Hi

Why anyone would want to put any antenna indoors especially a magloop is questionable ( or unavoidable.)

It will couple to everything..needs to be? outside..especially as 160m ( lots of electrical man made? noise.)

It can be hid though ( painted green etc) and can be close to gnd..obviously higher 2m? Is better, but it will work say at 1m? above gnd. JUST BE sure no one can touch it while txing!!

Simon





Locked Re: New to group and quest for loop¡­ #160

 

I've did it relatively successfully over the years and I've seen others do it that way as well. I know this much and I've had plenty of 2000 to 6000 mile contacts over the years using Magnetic Loops indoors at relatively low wattages under 100 watts. It can be done plus here in the states we have a lot of lightning prone areas where you might not want to have your mag loop outside and be able to use it in an attic or somewhere that isn't so conspicuous. One problem here in the United States is the increasingly influence of the local antenna police called HOA or commonly known as homeowner associations. Therefore there are many hams who cannot because of their local environment be able to put a funky looking loop outside even on their patio or some other place around their property even with them owning their property that they are still subject to HOA rules due to it being a requirement for such ownership of said property.?

Many Americans these days live in apartments as well and some of the restrictions that come with boilerplate leases and renting also involve restrictions on any outside antenna including anything that would be much more than the basic satellite dish of maximum of one meter or approximately 40 inches in diameter. Anything else is seriously prohibited in many rental agreements or even by landlords who do not want antennas visible in their properties. So therefore ham radio operators and shortwave enthusiasts often have to conceal these antennas from spying eyes or nosy neighbors or overbearing landlords, apartment police or such ne'er do wells that have nothing better to do than serve as the local auxiliary police force of the local apartment complex or the neighborhood due to the HOA.?

One can use these loops to receive signals from thousands of miles away with quite acceptable results like my reception daily of Radio New Zealand from 13000 kilometers or 8200 miles away with S9 plus signal on a daily basis just using a Yaesu FRG-100B receiver with a small 4 foot magnetic loop with quite good results. Then again I've also used magnetic loops to contact many stations in Europe and Russia which are both well over 4000 miles/7000 kilometers away in the case of Europe as well as much as 7000 miles/10000 kilometers away to Russia or even Japan which is 10000 km away or 6000-6500 miles away.?

I've also worked a little over 100 countries using indoor antenna such as a 200 foot longwire?ran around a ceiling and fed into a 9 to 1 balun for a number of years as well and also achieved a great deal of success with working long distance DX.? I'll take my results for now and when my situation changes in the future will probably be putting up something outdoors but for now what I have works. I might also add that I've also worked a great deal of these same countries with a mobile station in my automobile over many years as well including 6000 mile contacts to Russia on occasion when the conditions are right.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 11:21 AM Simon <ohhellnotagain@...> wrote:
Hi

Why anyone would want to put any antenna indoors especially a magloop is questionable ( or unavoidable.)

It will couple to everything..needs to be? outside..especially as 160m ( lots of electrical man made? noise.)

It can be hid though ( painted green etc) and can be close to gnd..obviously higher 2m? Is better, but it will work say at 1m? above gnd. JUST BE sure no one can touch it while txing!!

Simon





Locked Re: New to group and quest for loop¡­ #160

 

Hi

Why anyone would want to put any antenna indoors especially a magloop is questionable ( or unavoidable.)

It will couple to everything..needs to be outside..especially as 160m ( lots of electrical man made noise.)

It can be hid though ( painted green etc) and can be close to gnd..obviously higher 2m? Is better, but it will work say at 1m above gnd. JUST BE sure no one can touch it while txing!!

Simon


Locked Re: New to group and quest for loop¡­ #160

 

Try this loop antenna design by Jeri Ellsworth (AI6TK). She made a video regarding a 160 meter loop that was supposed to be in two parts but has only made a video of the first part of it but I am sure you can get the point after the first video of the size of such a 160 loop especially to have 2 turns as the size would still be about 8 foot across and probably would have to be put in a spare room or outside somewhere inconspicuous.?



On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 5:51 AM Simon <ohhellnotagain@...> wrote:
Hi Jeff

Welcome to group

Where to start!!??

First good luck with that.. making a 160m tx capable mag loop with any efficiency is not for the faint hearted..making it hoa adds yet another issue..

I would try a stealth wire, loaded etc..small trap and more wire added to your 40m vertical?

How hoa are you? What space do you have etc.??

The main issue one will find with a mag loop, even one say 6m dia will be bandwidth, hiding it , size of tuning cap, controlling it ( it will drift in frequency if loop flexes, moves, heat etc..)

Now not saying it can¡¯t be done! It can ( hoa though????)
I use a big mag loop on 160-80m.. qro capable, can work USA on phone in winter.All Europe all year..But its BIG..heavy..expensive to make and still only had a bandwidth on top band on just 2khz..it is a 2 turn 3.5m dia loop..350pf vac cap at top.

You could make it smaller by say a 3 turn loop or a 4 turn BUT efficiency really drops..but it will work..just not well..maybe worse than just loading the 40m vertical you have..( easier, cheaper..?)

Simon g0zen ( see qrz for pics of my big loop and an older pic of 40 m twin turn..( that was compact, but the single turn version now in use is much better.)

Also may help to post your questions on magloop group as well..

So how hoa are you etc??





Locked Re: New to group and quest for loop¡­ #160

 

Hi Jeff

Welcome to group

Where to start!!??

First good luck with that.. making a 160m tx capable mag loop with any efficiency is not for the faint hearted..making it hoa adds yet another issue..

I would try a stealth wire, loaded etc..small trap and more wire added to your 40m vertical?

How hoa are you? What space do you have etc.??

The main issue one will find with a mag loop, even one say 6m dia will be bandwidth, hiding it , size of tuning cap, controlling it ( it will drift in frequency if loop flexes, moves, heat etc..)

Now not saying it can¡¯t be done! It can ( hoa though????)
I use a big mag loop on 160-80m.. qro capable, can work USA on phone in winter.All Europe all year..But its BIG..heavy..expensive to make and still only had a bandwidth on top band on just 2khz..it is a 2 turn 3.5m dia loop..350pf vac cap at top.

You could make it smaller by say a 3 turn loop or a 4 turn BUT efficiency really drops..but it will work..just not well..maybe worse than just loading the 40m vertical you have..( easier, cheaper..?)

Simon g0zen ( see qrz for pics of my big loop and an older pic of 40 m twin turn..( that was compact, but the single turn version now in use is much better.)

Also may help to post your questions on magloop group as well..

So how hoa are you etc??


Locked MLA30-LF

 

Over the years I have built and used at least a dozen different loop amplifier designs. Several years ago out of curiosity I bought an inexpensive MLA30+ amplifier. I was disappointed with its somewhat noisy performance but in particular its poor sensitivity on MW and complete deafness on NDB and LW frequencies. I attribute this to its approximately 600 ohm input impedance that presents a very poor match to a 1m loop at low frequencies. At shortwave frequencies it can actually be a benefit. So for fun I decided to build an amplifier using the same basic MLA30 circuit but with a completely different input network more suited to low frequencies. I uploaded a schematic of the amplifier that I built to the Files section of this group.?
/g/loopantennas/files/MLA30LF.pdf
It now has an input impedance closer to 6 ohms. This has increased the MW and LW sensitivity by well over 20dB compared to the original MLA30+. Of course the SW sensitivity has dropped somewhat but the MLA30+ was not really lacking in that area. Noise is about the same (poor). The new circuit still has an input filter to mitigate overload from local FM stations. There is no detectable overload from my local BCB flame throwers. It still functions from below 5V.? I would not run it above 14V as the TL592B has an absolute max rating of 16V. Overall it is still not a very good amplifier compared to an LZ1AQ or Wellgood and I do not recommend it. I only posted it here for thought and amusement. Regards Tom VE3PSZ


Locked New to group and quest for loop¡­ #160

 

Hi all, I¡¯m Jeff, KF5KWO, near San Antonio, TX. I¡¯ve been using the MFJ-1786 (30-10m) for about 20 years now, and due to HOA restrictions in the two neighborhoods I¡¯ve lived in, it was my main HF antenna along with a homebrew 40m stealth wire vertical and a recently added stealth 10m Moxon. I¡¯m very interested in getting on 160, but want to do so with a magnetic loop because I like the experimentation and the relatively smaller space requirements. Been doing lots of reading and watching of videos, for sure. Happy to hear any advice from everyone! 73 de Jeff, KF5KWO


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

This file came from the LoweHFReceivers group at groups.io

73? John? KC0G


-----Original Message-----
From: John Button G8JMB via groups.io <hornpipe112@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 4:27 am
Subject: Re: [loopantennas] Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

LOWE UL 1000 manual uploaded to files?
/g/loopantennas/files/UL1000_Manual.pdf
73
John G8JMB


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

Good afternoon Jorge.? I am glad that you received the correct document that you were hunting for. Sorry I gave you incorrect links for you.

Fred - N4CLA

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 8:06 AM Jorge Jaroslavsky <m0ldw.jorge@...> wrote:
Thanks John and everyone who kindly gave me the information.
Now I will put hands-on on the circuit.

Kind regards,

Jorge Jaroslavsky
(M0LDW-LW5DX) also UTE and MW dx-er
Leeds, West Yorkshire


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

Thanks John and everyone who kindly gave me the information.
Now I will put hands-on on the circuit.

Kind regards,

Jorge Jaroslavsky
(M0LDW-LW5DX) also UTE and MW dx-er
Leeds, West Yorkshire


Locked File /UL1000_Manual.pdf uploaded #file-notice

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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: John Button G8JMB <hornpipe112@...>

Description:
LOWE UL1000 manual


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

LOWE UL 1000 manual uploaded to files?
/g/loopantennas/files/UL1000_Manual.pdf
73
John G8JMB


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

I think those links are for a different manufacturer.

The product was sold by Lowe Electronics Ltd in the UK.



Like a lot of stuff sold by Lowe at the time, It's likely that it was a re-branded version of something made by a company in Japan.

Looking at the pictures in the linked webpage, there's not a lot to go wrong.

It's a tuned loop for 500KHz to 1.6MHz with a 3SK59 dual gate fet amplifier stage followed by 2KS19 JFET buffer stage. It also works as a pre-selector for wire antennas on the higher frequency bands.

It would probably be a good accessory to use with an RTL dongle in direct sampling mode.

Regards,

Martin


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

Try this link.??


On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 7:55 AM Jorge Jaroslavsky <m0ldw.jorge@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Does anyone have the schematics of the LOWE UL-1000 Loop preamplifier?
I am having some issues that I need to fix.
Thanks in advance

Jorge
?


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

did that link not work?


On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 7:55 AM Jorge Jaroslavsky <m0ldw.jorge@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Does anyone have the schematics of the LOWE UL-1000 Loop preamplifier?
I am having some issues that I need to fix.
Thanks in advance

Jorge
?


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

Hi Fred, I've tried before, unfortunately the info is very scarce.


Locked Re: Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

Try this link



On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 7:55 AM Jorge Jaroslavsky <m0ldw.jorge@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Does anyone have the schematics of the LOWE UL-1000 Loop preamplifier?
I am having some issues that I need to fix.
Thanks in advance

Jorge
?


Locked Lowe UL-1000 loop preamp

 

Hi everyone,

Does anyone have the schematics of the LOWE UL-1000 Loop preamplifier?
I am having some issues that I need to fix.
Thanks in advance

Jorge
?


Locked Re: Interesting loop design

 

Thank you, qrp.gaijin. It is very informative.

I've played around with 4nec2 a bit and have a few thoughts:

1/ On tuning the model.
You propose the following steps:
#1. C1 to resonate inner loop (with large C2)
#2. C2 and RL for maximum F/B ratio.
Since after performing #2 inner loop? becomes slightly detuned I would suggest #3:
#3. Re-tuning of inner loop until X=0.
In a real world a transformer should be applied to match? the antenna impedance to input impedance of a receiver.?


2/ On different shape of the loops.
I've modelled a diamond shape antenna, i.e. the loads and the source were located in? the corners of the square loops. Seems to be as good as yours.
I've also modelled a horizontal diamond CTL. Should work fine.

3/ On possibility of using varactors.
Although the antenna tuned to 7.1 MHz maintains decent characteristics at the ends of the band (both SWR and F/B ratio) there is still possibilty of using varactors for fine tuning. I would first tune C2 for minimum noise (minimum average gain of antenna coincides with maximum F/B and RDF). Then C1 for maximum noise (matching with receiver input).

4/ On comparison with Flag (or W2PM) antenna.
The CTL antenna pattern is similar to that of the Flag antenna. But Flag antenna with dimensions of CTL's outer loop has approximately 10 dB less gain than CTL. It is much. This very fact allows to use CTL 2 times smaller?than Flag. The bad news is that CTL is resonant (hence monoband) while Flag is a multiband antenna.

Anyway thank you for you input.
I feel that I will make such an antenna on a fishing rod to put it outside the window. Given the rod is long enough? and the antenna is far enough from the building (at least 6 meters) I hope to get a decent receiving antenna.

Regards

Piotr, SP2BPD


Locked Re: (Slightly) off topic

 

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Thanks Bob, Steve and John for your suggestions.

A couple of days ago I received a message "Your Groups.i.o Account is Bouncing" and email delivery to my account has been suspended.? The problem is that I have no way of knowing who responded to my request. So if anyone other than the three gentlemen mentioned has responded, I would be grateful if they could repeat their reply.

Thanks again to those who did respond and cheers,

Chris VK4CVL