On our 2012 vintage L400 both engines and genset stopped working because of clogged fuel vent check valves. Has anyone else ever encountered this condition? A mechanic is going to repair by replacing the check valves.?

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I have an asymmetric, it maps onto this pretty well although 170 is not doable, 160...

when I need to sail downwind (160-160)I sheet the Genoa to the outside deck using second sheet running TI midship cleat & Saul Sing & wing. Very effective & works through a wider range before needing to gybe main. ?Haven’t used parasailer but several boats in the ARC did. ?Worked well.

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Thought others would find this useful.

If you have the same genoa I do, I am not sure you can increase its size very much. When sheeted in tight it is almost to the front fairlead. If it were longer and you moved the car back, you might have to have the sail cut differently as to the height of the clew. Either way, I don't believe you will be able to change the total sail area by very much %.

?Also, a larger sail will be heavier, so it might negate some advantages if you want it for lighter winds. Why do you want a larger sail. If you are sailing in the Islands, BVI? usually there is quite a bit of wind, so a larger sail isn't really needed, but I don't know your exact requirements.

I think the 380 is one of the best 'sailing' lagoons due to its SA/D. Moves well in light winds, though if you are sailing off the wind lots in up to 15kts you might want to consider a gennaker or code 0. My gennaker came with the boat, I wish it had UV coating so I could leave it up all the time.?

Just my 2c, YMMV.

Anyone out there with experience on increasing the standard 380 jib size using the existing fairleads??

We are looking to get a new jib to handle offshore cruising in the islands and hopefully to the med.

Also interested in thoughts on sail material.? we would like something that will perform for 5-10 years if it is not cost prohibitive.

thanks

tim and tracey ramsey
sv folie a deux
lagoon 3803 hull 47
St Augustine, FL USA

Any chance you have pictures? Also, where did you mount the forward ones? ?The "professional marine" lights are brutally expensive. ?The Admiral really wants the lights, but balked at the asking price at the local shipyard.

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S/V Rum Away
2017 Lagoon 450S #33

The challenge with the S version is the port side. ?There isn't an easy way to get the sheet up to the helm. ?The winch used for the port Jib sheet (and traveler) is actually to the starboard side of center line. ?So you have the entire salon roof to get over. ?The jib/Genoa ?rigging points are pretty far forward and close to center line. ?The only "real???" option would be to come back to a block at the stern, then come back 180 degrees to a block maybe attached to the left main standing rigging, high enough to then come across to the winch. ?seems like a pretty horrible idea to my untrained mind. ?

You can definitely rig the starboard side to come up to the helm. ?Basically what the furling line does now. ?So technically, only need one additional winch. ?But of course, Lagoon is happy to sell you two. ?The F version works perfectly with existing winches.

We are currently in San Diego. ?So, the ideal would be a genaker, screecher, code 0 on a bowsprit. ?We don't get what a lot of people would consider real wind. ?So could be used for off wind, wing on wing DDW, or even pointing somewhat in the light winds. ?I learned to cat sail on a Seawind with a screecher and we used it all of the time. ?But the plan is to head south next year, so trying to plan for more than the usual 8-12 kts we get.

thanks for all of the feedback
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2017 Lagoon 450S #33

When I ordered the spinnaker kit the winches were not included ( or needed per the dealer). ?I have been using the genoa winches with an asymmetric and the bowspritn then run the sheets back to the stern through snatch blocks at the stern. ?This works fine on the 450F, does the S have genoa winches for port side located at the stbd helm ? If you can run genoa sheets how about spinnaker ?
Vin?
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Understand what you are saying, we fitted the bow sprit, already had the winches purchased the continuous furler with the intention of purchasing a Genekar. We then got offered an only once used AS in a sock for less than 1500 USD. After 4 years it has spent more time in the bag than it has flying. If it was rigged all the time and easy to launch and retrieve then we would use it more often. Our traveling friends with their Genekar pull it out and roll it away with ease, so it is up ready to use most of the time and is used way more more often than our AS. I vote for the big sail on a furler with a UV strip, so it can stay rigged most of the time and ready to use. The other useful thing with the Genekar on a furler is if headed dead down wind, no main sail and a headsail pulled out on each side will give a fast comfortable ride. Just my opinion. Good luck with which ever way you go.

-- Paul Rogers . Lagoon 450F #233 2013 East Coast of Oz

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I don't know the original dealer which would be in France. Any US suggestions? I'm in Hawaii and I don't know of any here.

Thanks for the opinion. ?Sometimes its important to have someone say what is in the back of your mind.

One of our considerations is simply getting an AS and flying it off of the bow points, and avoiding the need for the bowsprit etc. ?Would still need the winches though. ?In that case, the $7k savings on the winches presented a savings more than half of the overall cost. ?The main reason I was so conflicted.?

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Stuart
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2017 Lagoon 450S #33

The maximum working load (MWL) for the Harken 46 Winch is 1300 Kg. New price Online $1700.00 The maximum working load (MWL) for the Harken 60 Winch is 1800 Kg. New price Online $4000.00 Subjecting the winch to loads above the maximum working load can cause the winch to fail or pull off the deck suddenly and unexpectedly during high loads causing severe injury or death. Quote taken from Harken's own installation manual.

I very much doubt that anybody in Lagoon or else where, will tell you it is OK for you to use a winch that has a (MWL) 500kg bellow that of the OEM specified working load.

The new price of the 46 is allready a fraction (aprox 40%) of the new price of the 60's to start with. So a pair of second hand units would look an attractive price compared to new 60's.

With the cost of the new Genekar, bow sprit, winches and there intallation, are you actually saving that much in scheme of things. One failure or mishap with undersized equipment could potentially cost you much more than you save on the original installation.

Only my opinion for what it is worth.

-- Paul Rogers . Lagoon 450F #233 2013 East Coast of Oz

Our 450S did not come setup with the bowsprit and additional aft winches installed in the cockpit. ?We are looking to add a downwind sail, and are looking at the additional hardware needed. ?I am getting a price from Lagoon for their Genaker setup. ?As part of their usual setup, it includes 2 Harken 60 winches installed over the aft cabins in the cockpit.?

I have an opportunity to purchase 2 slightly used Harken 46 winches for a fraction of the price of the 60s. ?But am not sure that the 46s will be able to handle the sheet loads.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Stuart


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hi all

i keep struggling for an easy way to organise the storage space under the main seating in the saloon on my 380.?

I cant seem to find an easy way to use the storage efficiently for tools, Food and so on. I always seem to have to take everything out to get an item which is inevitable right at the back !!

I’m even thinking now of opening up the space by cutting out the fibreglass ‘lid’ of the area and creating a wooden frame to hold the seat cushions. This would make the space more flexible.?

I know now that a number of members have done some clever mods on their boats.?

Does anyone have se clever ideas, suggestions .....

thank you in advance for?your thoughts.?

Marc
Linocat 380s2
isle of Wight?
UK