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Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

The prices are ridiculously low even when you include shipping. The time it takes means I rarely breadboard on veroboard anymore and just design straight in Kicad then to pcb.
I remember in the UK when you got charged per drilled hole for pcb?s so after laying out the board I used to spend ages reducing the number of vias to get the cost down.
I still do that as a challenge but not as much as before..


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

Ah, OK. I guess the VAT equivalent is being paid then if that is how they are charging you.

I have a couple of projects I want to do, so will seriously look at using Elecrow.
Regards


On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 14:28, Nigel <nigel@...> wrote:
I live in Spain so I don?t know how it will work with the UK. Certainly here I have no problems with import duties or customs here.
I do notice that their payments are to Elecrow UK so I guess they must have some sort of presence there.
JLCPCB were quick in the manufacturing and you can follow progress via their website.
Unfortunately DHL are not quick, it?s been with them since 26th November so nearly 10 days..


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

I live in Spain so I don?t know how it will work with the UK. Certainly here I have no problems with import duties or customs here.
I do notice that their payments are to Elecrow UK so I guess they must have some sort of presence there.
JLCPCB were quick in the manufacturing and you can follow progress via their website.
Unfortunately DHL are not quick, it?s been with them since 26th November so nearly 10 days..


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

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I contacted them, they also won't ship to us.? Ok, their loss.

I mentioned I'm having boards fabricated, assembled, and sent on to where we'll be staying in Armenia.? The customer those boards are for is in California, so this order was designed in Russia, made in China, will be programmed and tested in Armenia, and then on to California.

Such is the modern world.

On 03-Dec-23 23:37, Joe Tannenbaum via groups.io wrote:

I've used JLCPCB serveral time and was very happy with the boards.

Joe



Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

Hadn't realised Elecrow did PCBs. I've just bought a couple of 14" laptop displays off their kickstarter, and seen their adverts for laser cutting acrylic and the like.

Did the PCBs come VAT paid? The displays had a UK return address on the package, so I assume they have some form of UK agent to handle importing, warehousing and repairs, along with presumably handling their VAT dealings.

Will be investigating their PCBs, had been considering JCLPCB for some I want done, but if they are that slow in shipping then maybe not. I had heard good reports about their quality though.


On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 13:01, Nigel <nigel@...> wrote:
I have used Elecrow for several years, never had any problems. Also their shipping cost is very reasonable and quick (8 days for regular shipping).
I just had a board made by JLCPCB (it is teflon that Elecrow don?t do). The price was reasonable but even their most economical shipping is expensive (DHL) and slow....I?m still waiting for it to arrive 10 days so far.


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

If your boards are small. OSHpark as mentioned below is a great option. I've done a bunch of boards lately, and they are tiny for various reasons. Some were billed at $1.50 USD, for three boards shipped. Yes, $1.50 for the whole order. The more expensive ones were $4.50 for the order shipped. :)

For bigger boards I go elsewhere. But for small two or 4 layer, or even flex boards it's hard to beat them.

I just wish they could do smaller vias and space/trace sometimes. But most of the time I've been able to work around their specs.

On 12/5/2023 8:06 AM, abchin486 wrote:
Getting pcbs overseas is not like it was a decade ago. Before, you had to worry about shorts and opens and the pcbs would come with obvious repairs. Then, it took 2 to 4 weeks for the thing to come. Today, is has improved to the point where it is kind of foolish to not get prototypes done in China if you have a choice. All the pcbs sent usually are now error free and shipping can be a little as 3 days with turn time as little as 1 day....at a fraction?of the cost (even with enig and plating vias shut). And don't even get started with assembly...it used to take over 30 days...now it is close to around 15.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 7:41?AM Joe Tannenbaum via groups.io <> <jtannenba@... <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've used JLCPCB serveral time and was very happy with the boards.
Joe
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 01:00:37 PM MST, Jerry Durand
<jdurand@...
<mailto:jdurand@...>> wrote:
We used to use PCBgogo but being in Russia they will no longer ship
to us.? So, off to another Chinese fabricator who doesn't care about
sanctions.
BOSONSTAR

<>
The first boards were on time and good quality.? As I have to be out
of the country for a while I've had them fabricate and assemble
another board and that order is on it's way to meet us in Armenia. While I'd rather not be testing boards while on the road, I need to
get these ready for a customer.
So, a good review for BOSONSTAR.? They sell other stuff too, but
I've just bought boards from them.
I've also had another Chinese vendor laser cut a stack of stainless
steel plates for yet another customer.? These checked out per my
design and the customer is happy.
China will made good stuff if you're willing to pay for it.? If you
ask for the cheapest possible... that's what you will get.
On 03-Dec-23 20:12, Bill wrote:
All,
???? The cost of Blue transfer film and etchant (including trying
to dispose of the used etchant here in New York State) forced me to
try one of those overseas discount PCB fab houses.? Many positive
reviews sent me to Smart Prototyping <

<> >.? So far,
I've had 2 revisions of 3 separate PCBs manufactured by them for a
cost of about $30 for 5 pieces each of 3 separate boards.
???? The delivery of these boards was about 2 weeks total; I paid
extra for speedier delivery, slower would have been even cheaper.
???? The quality of the delivered boards was surprising.? The only
mistakes I discovered were self-imposed.? No opens, shorts,
mis-printed silk, or unplated vias.? Truly excellent quality for
what turned out to be about $2 per 3" x 4" board.
I highly recommend them,
W2EB


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

Getting pcbs overseas is not like it was a decade ago. Before, you had to worry about shorts and opens and the pcbs would come with obvious repairs. Then, it took 2 to 4 weeks for the thing to come. Today, is has improved to the point where it is kind of foolish to not get prototypes done in China if you have a choice. All the pcbs sent usually are now error free and shipping can be a little as 3 days with turn time as little as 1 day....at a fraction?of the cost (even with enig and plating vias shut). And don't even get started with assembly...it used to take over 30 days...now it is close to around 15.?


On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 7:41?AM Joe Tannenbaum via <jtannenba=[email protected]> wrote:
I've used JLCPCB serveral time and was very happy with the boards.

Joe

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 01:00:37 PM MST, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:


We used to use PCBgogo but being in Russia they will no longer ship to us.? So, off to another Chinese fabricator who doesn't care about sanctions.

BOSONSTAR


The first boards were on time and good quality.? As I have to be out of the country for a while I've had them fabricate and assemble another board and that order is on it's way to meet us in Armenia.? While I'd rather not be testing boards while on the road, I need to get these ready for a customer.

So, a good review for BOSONSTAR.? They sell other stuff too, but I've just bought boards from them.

I've also had another Chinese vendor laser cut a stack of stainless steel plates for yet another customer.? These checked out per my design and the customer is happy.

China will made good stuff if you're willing to pay for it.? If you ask for the cheapest possible... that's what you will get.


On 03-Dec-23 20:12, Bill wrote:
All,

???? The cost of Blue transfer film and etchant (including trying to dispose of the used etchant here in New York State) forced me to try one of those overseas discount PCB fab houses.? Many positive reviews sent me to Smart Prototyping < >.? So far, I've had 2 revisions of 3 separate PCBs manufactured by them for a cost of about $30 for 5 pieces each of 3 separate boards.?
???? The delivery of these boards was about 2 weeks total; I paid extra for speedier delivery, slower would have been even cheaper.
???? The quality of the delivered boards was surprising.? The only mistakes I discovered were self-imposed.? No opens, shorts, mis-printed silk, or unplated vias.? Truly excellent quality for what turned out to be about $2 per 3" x 4" board.

I highly recommend them,

W2EB


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

I have used Elecrow for several years, never had any problems. Also their shipping cost is very reasonable and quick (8 days for regular shipping).
I just had a board made by JLCPCB (it is teflon that Elecrow don?t do). The price was reasonable but even their most economical shipping is expensive (DHL) and slow....I?m still waiting for it to arrive 10 days so far.


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

I've used JLCPCB serveral time and was very happy with the boards.

Joe

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 01:00:37 PM MST, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:


We used to use PCBgogo but being in Russia they will no longer ship to us.? So, off to another Chinese fabricator who doesn't care about sanctions.

BOSONSTAR


The first boards were on time and good quality.? As I have to be out of the country for a while I've had them fabricate and assemble another board and that order is on it's way to meet us in Armenia.? While I'd rather not be testing boards while on the road, I need to get these ready for a customer.

So, a good review for BOSONSTAR.? They sell other stuff too, but I've just bought boards from them.

I've also had another Chinese vendor laser cut a stack of stainless steel plates for yet another customer.? These checked out per my design and the customer is happy.

China will made good stuff if you're willing to pay for it.? If you ask for the cheapest possible... that's what you will get.


On 03-Dec-23 20:12, Bill wrote:
All,

???? The cost of Blue transfer film and etchant (including trying to dispose of the used etchant here in New York State) forced me to try one of those overseas discount PCB fab houses.? Many positive reviews sent me to Smart Prototyping < >.? So far, I've had 2 revisions of 3 separate PCBs manufactured by them for a cost of about $30 for 5 pieces each of 3 separate boards.?
???? The delivery of these boards was about 2 weeks total; I paid extra for speedier delivery, slower would have been even cheaper.
???? The quality of the delivered boards was surprising.? The only mistakes I discovered were self-imposed.? No opens, shorts, mis-printed silk, or unplated vias.? Truly excellent quality for what turned out to be about $2 per 3" x 4" board.

I highly recommend them,

W2EB


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

Jerry Durand
 

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We used to use PCBgogo but being in Russia they will no longer ship to us.? So, off to another Chinese fabricator who doesn't care about sanctions.

BOSONSTAR


The first boards were on time and good quality.? As I have to be out of the country for a while I've had them fabricate and assemble another board and that order is on it's way to meet us in Armenia.? While I'd rather not be testing boards while on the road, I need to get these ready for a customer.

So, a good review for BOSONSTAR.? They sell other stuff too, but I've just bought boards from them.

I've also had another Chinese vendor laser cut a stack of stainless steel plates for yet another customer.? These checked out per my design and the customer is happy.

China will made good stuff if you're willing to pay for it.? If you ask for the cheapest possible... that's what you will get.


On 03-Dec-23 20:12, Bill wrote:

All,

???? The cost of Blue transfer film and etchant (including trying to dispose of the used etchant here in New York State) forced me to try one of those overseas discount PCB fab houses.? Many positive reviews sent me to Smart Prototyping < >.? So far, I've had 2 revisions of 3 separate PCBs manufactured by them for a cost of about $30 for 5 pieces each of 3 separate boards.?
???? The delivery of these boards was about 2 weeks total; I paid extra for speedier delivery, slower would have been even cheaper.
???? The quality of the delivered boards was surprising.? The only mistakes I discovered were self-imposed.? No opens, shorts, mis-printed silk, or unplated vias.? Truly excellent quality for what turned out to be about $2 per 3" x 4" board.

I highly recommend them,

W2EB


Re: Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

More expensive but I can recommend OSH Park (). Have
had many many boards from them and all good. Can literally drag-and-drop
your KiCad project file onto their order page, no Gerbers needed
(although they do support them, of course).

Chris
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On 12/3/2023 9:12 AM, Bill wrote:
All,

???? The cost of Blue transfer film and etchant (including trying to
dispose of the used etchant here in New York State) forced me to try one
of those overseas discount PCB fab houses.? Many positive reviews sent
me to Smart Prototyping <

<> >.? So far,
I've had 2 revisions of 3 separate PCBs manufactured by them for a cost
of about $30 for 5 pieces each of 3 separate boards.
???? The delivery of these boards was about 2 weeks total; I paid extra
for speedier delivery, slower would have been even cheaper.
???? The quality of the delivered boards was surprising.? The only
mistakes I discovered were self-imposed.? No opens, shorts, mis-printed
silk, or unplated vias.? Truly excellent quality for what turned out to
be about $2 per 3" x 4" board.

I highly recommend them,

W2EB


Singing the praises of Smart-Prototyping.com

 

All,

???? The cost of Blue transfer film and etchant (including trying to dispose of the used etchant here in New York State) forced me to try one of those overseas discount PCB fab houses.? Many positive reviews sent me to Smart Prototyping < >.? So far, I've had 2 revisions of 3 separate PCBs manufactured by them for a cost of about $30 for 5 pieces each of 3 separate boards.?
???? The delivery of these boards was about 2 weeks total; I paid extra for speedier delivery, slower would have been even cheaper.
???? The quality of the delivered boards was surprising.? The only mistakes I discovered were self-imposed.? No opens, shorts, mis-printed silk, or unplated vias.? Truly excellent quality for what turned out to be about $2 per 3" x 4" board.

I highly recommend them,

W2EB


Re: Adding a schematic sheet KiCad 7.0

 

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Thanks for prompt replies. I'll create a new project.

On 2023-11-29 14:42, CW via groups.io wrote:

I don't think it is as far as I know. I think additional schematic 
sheets can only be added as 'sub-sheets' below the 'main' one.

On 11/29/2023 6:39 AM, John Woodgate wrote:
Is is possible to add a second schematic sheet, not a hierarchical 
sheet, to a project?? I use KiCad to draw schematics for diagrams in 
reports, and this particular project requires two quite large schematics 
that each take up a whole page. I suppose I could just open a new 
project, but if I can keep all the stuff together in one project, it 
would be better.








Re: Adding a schematic sheet KiCad 7.0

Jerry Durand
 

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I wish you could use sheets, but the best I've been able to do is make up a bogus "root" sheet that's never used and then you can have sheets under it.? Messy, but works.

On 29-Nov-23 17:39, John Woodgate wrote:

Is is possible to add a second schematic sheet, not a hierarchical sheet, to a project?? I use KiCad to draw schematics for diagrams in reports, and this particular project requires two quite large schematics that each take up a whole page. I suppose I could just open a new project, but if I can keep all the stuff together in one project, it would be better.



Re: Adding a schematic sheet KiCad 7.0

 

I don't think it is as far as I know. I think additional schematic
sheets can only be added as 'sub-sheets' below the 'main' one.

On 11/29/2023 6:39 AM, John Woodgate wrote:
Is is possible to add a second schematic sheet, not a hierarchical
sheet, to a project?? I use KiCad to draw schematics for diagrams in
reports, and this particular project requires two quite large schematics
that each take up a whole page. I suppose I could just open a new
project, but if I can keep all the stuff together in one project, it
would be better.


Adding a schematic sheet KiCad 7.0

 

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Is is possible to add a second schematic sheet, not a hierarchical sheet, to a project?? I use KiCad to draw schematics for diagrams in reports, and this particular project requires two quite large schematics that each take up a whole page. I suppose I could just open a new project, but if I can keep all the stuff together in one project, it would be better.


Re: KiCad Nightly IPC-2581 Support

 

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Thanks Jon, I feel better about not finding it.

- Augustine

On 2023-11-28 09:12, Jon Evans wrote:
The feature is still behind an advanced config flag as it has not yet been deemed ready enough for general testing.
Seth can advise once it will be made visible.

-Jon

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:55?AM Augustine Savoca via <augustine=[email protected]> wrote:

has recently been added to the KiCad Nightly. This is very exciting and I am eager to try it out.
Unfortunately, I am unable to figure out the process to export or output a board as IPC-2581. Can anyone advise me on how to do this? I feel like I am missing something very obvious.

Thank you,
Augustine

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Re: KiCad Nightly IPC-2581 Support

 

The feature is still behind an advanced config flag as it has not yet been deemed ready enough for general testing.
Seth can advise once it will be made visible.

-Jon


On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:55?AM Augustine Savoca via <augustine=[email protected]> wrote:

has recently been added to the KiCad Nightly. This is very exciting and I am eager to try it out.
Unfortunately, I am unable to figure out the process to export or output a board as IPC-2581. Can anyone advise me on how to do this? I feel like I am missing something very obvious.

Thank you,
Augustine

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KiCad Nightly IPC-2581 Support

 

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has recently been added to the KiCad Nightly. This is very exciting and I am eager to try it out.
Unfortunately, I am unable to figure out the process to export or output a board as IPC-2581. Can anyone advise me on how to do this? I feel like I am missing something very obvious.

Thank you,
Augustine

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Re: Create a new symbol from an existing one #gettingstarted #tutorial

 

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Thanks, Tom.

On 2023-11-27 01:00, Tom, KC2ZAT wrote:

Hi,
I'm not familiar with the component, but here goes anyway.
1) When you say KiCad won't let you save it, did you get any error messages?
2) Are you trying to store the part in a private/project file or a KiCad controlled file?

I usually create a "project parts" file within the directory structure for the project and then update the project preferences to pick it up but only for this specific project.

When I'm creating the part I sometimes get the save library and save part order mixed up.
My failing.? Not KiCad's.
I hope this helps in some small way.
Tom

On Nov 26, 2023 14:04, John Woodgate <jmw@...> wrote:
I am trying to make a symbol for a 'D-element' or FDNR. It is like a generic fixed capacitor, but with four thick bars instead of just two. I created a new library for the project, modified the C symbol from the Device library and attempted to save it in the new library. But KiCad 7.0 won't let me do that. I looked at the on-line Help, but it doesn't cover making a new symbol from an existing one. Please advise. I use KiCad only for schematics, so I need no advice about footprints, etc.