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Hi.

I was looking for a way to expand the Kicad libs adn I found this text
about converting Orcad to eeschema.
This seens to be a little old but it really can convert all Orcad libs
to be used on Kicad? If so, why isn't have been done yet? We would end
up with a huge library.
I don't have access to Orcad but I'll surelly will try to find one if
this is really possible.

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Adilson Oliveira wrote:
>

Hi. Just one note: I don't know in the case of Kicad specificaly but
file names with spaces are perfectly normal in linux.

this is probably not the place to discuss it but IME I have only come across spaces in file or path names under Linux when running Windows programmes under Wine.

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<ftp://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/>

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quoted text.

Is there a group policy or some documents on the good practices on a newsgroup?

Thank you

Royce Pereira wrote:
>

Better, Kicad should throw an error if it finds disagreeable characters in the names etc., or automatically insert underscores, rather than allow an hours work to go down the drain !

Are you running Kicad under Windows or Linux? I know spaces in file names are common in Windows but it is not permmitted under Linux.

Ian


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Hello,

I have come across the exact same problem. This is not an issue just
for high frequency behaviour of the circuit but also with the
etching. This staircase step in direction of the 45 degree bend can
create a bridge and with hobbyist means for etching it certainly will.

I have started looking at the code, it seems everything happens in
zones.cpp in the pcbnew subfolder. I didn't have time to dig into it
but I think the main idea is to fill the area with edge joining
tracks going left to right in one pass and top to bottom in another
pass. The thickness of the track is probably given in the fill
parameters but I think this is not the problem.

The problem is with the internal representation of the tracks I think
that do not seem to take the 45 degree bend into account thus
resulting in a gap on the outer side of the bend that gets filled
since it is thought to be outside the clearance area. The inner side
of the bend gets processed correctly since the clearance area of both
tracks overlap there.

If you try with very thin tracks (say 0.025 mm) and a much larger
clearance (say 0.635 mm) it works nicely which leads me to think this
is how the program works.

I will try to have a closer look when time permits, for now this is
food for thought if anybody wants to also have a look.

I think this problem leads to unrealizable boards when using copper
pouring zones which is a pity for an otherwise very good software.

Cheers, Edouard.


--- In kicad-users@..., Tonamiben <tonamiben@y...> wrote:

Hi,
I tried to create a zone that I filled with copper.
It work good except when there is 45 deg. angles, where the pour

appear

as stair steps.
I was able to modify it in the gerber file by adding a diagonal

line but

for a big pcb it is a big task
to modify a text file and always refere to the coordinate and I did

not

tried the concave curve which I don't know how I can do it in the

file.

Maybe there is an option in Pcbnew to fill the pattern and make

smooth

edge. I ask this
because for high frequency transmission line (PCB coplanar

waveguide)

the calculation of the impedence rely on these gaps between the

signal

trace and the ground plane and I don't know the behaviour of such

stairs

pattern and for the look also.

Is anybody aware about such feature or an easy way to do it?

Thank you

Edouard Greiffiths wrote:

If you can direct me (and the list) towards it that will be very helpful. Most if not all Open Source (namely) projects do not make any mystery about their sources, see sourceforge.net for example.

If you look at the ftp site link which is the first one under the Download section on the LHS of the site it will take you to a page with all the kicad files including the sources. The direct link is:

ftp://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/

Lastly, on an admin note, please do not top post and please trim quoted text.

Thank You

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Edouard Greiffiths escreveu:

If you can direct me (and the list) towards it that will be very
helpful. Most if not all Open Source (namely) projects do not make
any mystery about their sources, see sourceforge.net for example.

Hi again.

They are under the ftp repository IIRC. The links for them are on the
project page, no mistery at all ;)

[]s

Adilson.

Ian bell escreveu:

Royce Pereira wrote:
>

Better, Kicad should throw an error if it finds disagreeable
characters in the names etc., or automatically insert underscores,
rather than allow an hours work to go down the drain !

Are you running Kicad under Windows or Linux? I know spaces in file
names are common in Windows but it is not permmitted under Linux.

Hi. Just one note: I don't know in the case of Kicad specificaly but
file names with spaces are perfectly normal in linux.

[]s

Adilson.

Hi,

--- In kicad-users@..., Ian bell <ianbell@u...> wrote:

Royce Pereira wrote:
>

Better, Kicad should throw an error if it finds disagreeable
characters in the names etc., or automatically insert underscores,
rather than allow an hours work to go down the drain !

Are you running Kicad under Windows or Linux? I know spaces in file
names are common in Windows but it is not permmitted under Linux.

I'm using Windows XP SP1

Thanks,
--Royce.

Edouard Greiffiths wrote:

I would like to look at the "copper pouring" algorithm to see if I
can contribute with something interesting since I find it a bit too
rough (staircases even with lowest resolution).

This is a very good idea to fine-tune the copper pouring, at least the gerber output, this should be very nice.

Benoit

OK Juan, cool!

indeed, I missed the topmost links on the full FTP directories and
jumped into the "separate files" expecting them to be there.

This closes the subject.

Thank you all, Edouard.

--- In kicad-users@..., Juan Gonzalez <obijuan@i...>
wrote:

Hi Edouard,

You can find the sources here:


ftp://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/sources/


Regards,

Juan

Hi Edouard,

You can find the sources here:


ftp://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/sources/


Regards,

Juan

El vie, 14-10-2005 a las 08:15 +0000, Edouard Greiffiths escribió:

Hi Adilson and the list,

well, I did look at the website
() with scrutiny and
still didn't find it. I was a bit upset hence the tone of my message.
I would like to look at the "copper pouring" algorithm to see if I
can contribute with something interesting since I find it a bit too
rough (staircases even with lowest resolution).

If you can direct me (and the list) towards it that will be very
helpful. Most if not all Open Source (namely) projects do not make
any mystery about their sources, see sourceforge.net for example.

Cheers, Edouard.


--- In kicad-users@..., Adilson Oliveira <adilson@a...>
wrote:

Edouard Greiffiths escreveu:

How comes this software pretends to be open source when the

sources are

not available?

Well, the sources *are* avaliable :)
I compiled it here to give support to hardware 3D. I think you just
didn't look hard enough ;)

[]s

Adilson.

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Edouard Greiffiths wrote:

Hi Adilson and the list,
well, I did look at the website () with scrutiny and still didn't find it. I was a bit upset hence the tone of my message. I would like to look at the "copper pouring" algorithm to see if I can contribute with something interesting since I find it a bit too rough (staircases even with lowest resolution).

that would be nice. I've been meaning to start playing with the code as well, just too busy...

-ryan

Hi Adilson and the list,

well, I did look at the website
() with scrutiny and
still didn't find it. I was a bit upset hence the tone of my message.
I would like to look at the "copper pouring" algorithm to see if I
can contribute with something interesting since I find it a bit too
rough (staircases even with lowest resolution).

If you can direct me (and the list) towards it that will be very
helpful. Most if not all Open Source (namely) projects do not make
any mystery about their sources, see sourceforge.net for example.

Cheers, Edouard.


--- In kicad-users@..., Adilson Oliveira <adilson@a...>
wrote:

Edouard Greiffiths escreveu:

How comes this software pretends to be open source when the

sources are

not available?

Well, the sources *are* avaliable :)
I compiled it here to give support to hardware 3D. I think you just
didn't look hard enough ;)

[]s

Adilson.

Hi,

Is there an automatic procedure to create/update equ files?
I did not find anything in the Help.

Thanks,
--Royce.

Hi,
--- In kicad-users@..., Ian bell <ianbell@u...> wrote:

Royce Pereira wrote:

Hi,
All the following observations pertain to PCBnew
1.
It seems module names may not contain spaces! If one does, it has
disastrous consequences like the module vanishing into thin air
instead of being saved.

As a rule I think it is bad practice to have spaces in names.

However,

I agree the documentation should make it clear what characters are
allowed.

Better, Kicad should throw an error if it finds disagreeable
characters in the names etc., or automatically insert underscores,
rather than allow an hours work to go down the drain !

--Royce.

Edouard Greiffiths escreveu:

How comes this software pretends to be open source when the sources are
not available?

Well, the sources *are* avaliable :)
I compiled it here to give support to hardware 3D. I think you just
didn't look hard enough ;)

[]s

Adilson.

How comes this software pretends to be open source when the sources are
not available?